Hereís my critique: That guy Mike was so so stupid to stay in Tatianaís apartment. First of all this is very rare that a girl will offer a stranger to stay with her in her apartment. Maybe in the past but nowadays itís very rare. If you stay in her apartment youíre her captive and canít meet other women.
Of course hanky panky is likely to happen.
Itís also very rare that the girl is older than the guy. This is part of the reason Iím convinced that she allowed him to stay in her apartment and sex happened so quickly. I guarantee you that most of the guys writing her are in their 40s and 50s so this young guy in his 20s was a hot catch for her.
Having said that. Tatiana is still a Q Ukrainian woman. I would have stayed with her in a relationship because girls like that are hard to come by especially in Kiev. This dufus dropped her after 1 day and having sex with her! What a complete imbecile! I guarantee you the women he went out with on subsequent dates were no where as good as Tatiana.
This guy is young and has got a lot of learning to do.
After viewing the video, Mike appears to want to visit and see many other women. I sort of understand his reasoning, but the dating thing is really rather random and you could be looking for a long time to find a perfect match. The other difficult thing is that you cannot really spread yourself around with that many people and really get a good impression of each one given the limited amount of time. Maybe some can spend 100% of their time doing that, but for me that is not only reckless (in terms of spending travel money), but given my type of character and background, it is sort of incongruent of what I am.
I have experienced being introduced to a lot of women by relatives and their friends. They rarely give you enough time to know the other person. But I guess to each his own. For the ladies, time may be on their side, but it is not for me. But I will not keep "fishing in the waters" trying to make the "big catch".
Programme called online bride, narrated by a woman, used the term mail order bride within the first minute, the Ukrainian agency lady was referred to as a 'marriage broker' (yeah right). You know where this documentary is going within the first 2 minutes of watching it. The usual tripe and total contempt for men looking for a foreign bride. Like the UK is full of beautiful and charming women....
I fully identify with the first bloke ONLY in relation to having a 10 year old daughter vetting the ladies and sometimes telling you NOT to find a foreign bride (or even from the UK). Jealousy is probably the word here. I love oriental girls and envy those men. But the cultural differences are too great and my daughters would never accept someone so different as their step mum, especially from those rural areas. And let us be honest, they will be the recipient of racism in the UK, especially by women who find out they are 'MOBs'.
At least they did not say that it was only old, fat and uneducated men who looked for a foreign bride.
The Welsh guy took a huge risk using a Ukrainian dating agency. Wot! Tetiana invited him directly from the airport to spend time in her apartment 'as man and wife'. And then he would decide in the next few days if Tetiana 'was the one' !? But I get the feeling that she was a good woman after all, despite the quick sex.
Hah hah! he wanted to have his cake and eat it, like other 'experienced' men who tell a lady they are visiting only her and then arrange to meet 5 others.
One of the women said what many think: they see guys in their twenties as big children.
The British embassy in Thailand absolutely hates men turning up with a local woman they met in the past 2 weeks and then ran to the embassy asking for a fiancee visa.
hah hah! one of these guys needed a Thai girl to come and clean his house.
By the way, the narrator Billie Piper married an older very famous and rich DJ and TV personality (Chris Evans) when she was about 19. Once she became famous herself, she dumped him and took a good chunk of his money. The irony.
In the video, one of the older women who he met referred to him as a "flustered child" and she did not like his face. I guess you cannot please everyone. :)
It appeared to me that he did not have an interpreter with him because some of his dates were not able to speak English. I guess the head of the egency did not arrange for that?
Billie Piper? Wasn't she in "Doctor Who" and Jane Austen's "Mansfield Park" on TV? And I thought she was more than a pair of boobs. ;) She is now with that guy in the "Inspector Lewis" TV series.
My take on his visit is he was still at the stage of "sowing his wild oats" so to speak. You will note that he felt remorse about having sex with her and had to get "absolution" from the "matriarch" AKA head of the dating agency. Maybe the sex was not good enough? So then, Tatiana became a "one night stand". As for me, I am not going to have such a flippant attitude towards any woman. I think I might be more conservative and have family values than anyone in the entire country (excluding religious people).
When the woman referred to the Welsh guy as a flustered child, with his pink cheeks, she was really saying that she felt she was dating a boy, not a man.
Yes, that Billie Piper. Obviously she is not just a pair of boobs as she has cleverly used men as stepping stones for her acting career. She was also in that drama: diary of a prostitute....I think it was called.
The Welsh guy is only 26, what do you expect? It was a nice trip to date girls, then he will have to return to Wales, marry a local girl and start looking for a foreign bride again in 20/30 years time or so.
It is precisely because of what he did there that FSU women are looking for older men. They simply will not trust young guys to be reliable and loyal. I get the feeling that many young and attractive FSU women look for an older and not so good looking guy as they will know that, after marrying him, the guy will have little chance of finding a local girl better than her.
You must also remember that with a ratio of 4 women to 1 man in Ukraine (is that right? That is what they said in the programme) some girls are really sex starved and will jump on a foreigner given the chance.
"You must also remember that with a ratio of 4 women to 1 man in Ukraine (is that right? That is what they said in the programme)"
That's just pure marketing that these dating / "marriage" agencies use. The ratio is probably no higher than any other country.
If you believe their propaganda, then if you go to Kiev, you should see about 4 times the number of women than men in the streets, shopping malls and subways. You don't. You see roughly half and half ratio women and men.
Natali is a good marketer. She is just puffing up her agency.
The idea that girls in Ukraine are sex starved is also ludicrous. They can get sex anywhere they want. They can throw themselves at local boys if that's what they want.
The ones that are looking for foreigners, are there are very few that are, their motivations are mostly economic with some looking to relocate to a better country with a better standard of living. But it's mostly all for economic reasons, not because you have a pretty face.
"their motivations are mostly economic with some looking to relocate to a better country with a better standard of living."
This is very true for Asian women (excluding Korea and Japan and developed regions like Hong Kong/Taiwan). Many have rather bleak prospects in their native land and look to a better life with just about any decent foreigner with a good financial standing.
TomZ stating the obvious, of course moving to a Western country is a motivation for women in the FSU looking for a Western man.
I believe that a ratio of 4 women to every eligible man in Ukraine is about right. And outside Kiev the outnumbering of women against men has been confirmed as true.
Educated and eligible women do not just have sex with any drunk they meet, in the West or Ukraine. Many of them believe they should have some prospect of a relationship with a man in order to hve sex with him. The woman Tetiana obviously saw the guy as a real prospect, hence her having sex with him.
The agency woman was honest, at least on camera. She did not want the guy to meet other women when obviously she could make more money from him by introducing him to more girls.
WS - you're implying that they're all drunks. They're not. I've met plenty of Russian and Ukrainian men that don't drink at all.
I've also met fsu women that are complete lushes.
So again you're over generalising as you tend to do.
'They're all drunks' is another marketing technique of these agencies to get you to buy into the reasoning why fsu women are looking for foreign men. And actually most of them are not. But these agencies want to sell you on this idea so you buy into their service.
We don't know if she could have made more money from him as he probably paid one package price which included x number of meetings in his package and that's probably one of the reasons he wanted to meet more women.
I am getting really fed up with you putting words in my mouth. When I said that a decent girl will not have sex with just some drunk, I was obviously referring to the fact that drink can lead to sex, like meeting someone in a party or a club. Where is the implication that 'they are all drunks'? Who are 'they'? Did I say also in offices and factories? And where did I write Ukrainian men? Didn't I say that both about the West and Ukraine? And aren't the Kiev clubs full of drunk Westerners looking for sex with local girls? I know one who has said he has made several trips there for that reason.
Dc,,, yeah,,, she needed a hand rail to hold herself up! I never seen anyone that had such an effect from alcohol. She started to have problems after two drinks,,,, and after seven her legs could no longer support her, even with me holding her. The thoughts of sex ended around the 4th or 5th drink.
The big problem was getting her out of the club,,,, it was 2:30am,,, she canít walk more than a couple of steps. I couldnít leave her or even put her into a taxi,,,, and eventually a friend of hersí showed up, and I left her in ďhisĒ care? I was seriously considering putting her over my shoulder and carrying her back to my hotel room to sober up,,,, but I could find myself having a hard time explaining things with the language barrier. Plus I was worried that she would throw up on me!
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Was she very slim? Meaning women with less body fat would likely absorb alcohol quicker.
I went to several bars one night with coworkers on a trip back when I was much younger and I had maybe four or five drinks. I never felt woozy and was reasonably upright for the entire night. One of the coworkers who got a bit inebriated drove the rental car. He took the car on an exit ramp and I thought we were going to fly off the road. Later on, he admitted that he was not in shape to drive and asked me why I did not drive instead? The car was rented out by him, but I guess since I was a coworker, that should have made me eligible to drive it. That was first business trip and I was not too familiar with rental car contract regulations.
I guess you could have taken her back to your room to get sobered up, but it would look very suspicious to the hotel workers if you carried her on your shoulders. As for her "friend", why did he show up? Was he expecting her to be back after the date? What happened to the interpretor (or was there one)? Throwing up is not as bad if she had relieved herself on you!
WS - I wasn't talking directly to you, yet I was talking to you.
You are one of many that buy into these misnomers and stereotypes about Russian men - that they are all drunks and don't work, etc.
I challenge you and others who believe this to go to any big city such as Moscow or Kiev. Take a look around. You will see modern skyscrapers, expensive apartments and condos, expensive late model cars. How did these people acquire this wealth if they're all sitting around drinking and not working?
No, this is what these agencies want you to believe that all Russian men are drunks and that's why women can't find a suitable or stable partner. It's all a big Fn scam to get you to buy into that idea so that you will go there (or not go there) and spend your money.
Most R/U women are NOT looking for a foreign partner. They will tell you, yeah, if the right guy came along I would follow him anywhere, but most of them want to find a guy within their own country and culture. And most of them do.
"if u are looking for a russian girl STEER AWAY from this site all the pics are FAKE. there may be some real people on that site but u will have to spend a bundle before u can find them and then it may not work with u so u have to do the search all over again."
"A rather unique combination.
Maybe there are also some not fake pictures of unreal persons?"
If anyone has come across these type of profiles, please let me know. :)