First, I think we should stop fighting among yourselves and unite. Of course this is not valid if the ones we are fighting with work for the sites..
Here are my 2 cents.
You need to be careful not to convince yourself she is real simply because you want it so much. I see this in myself. Trying to find reasons for every thing she does that causes red flags.
In my case.. I have been talking to her since October.
Other girls I spoke to briefly.. I found on VK.. and they seemed to check out.. I told them I found you on vk.. and they .. well didnt want to talk to me on there.. but immediately were cool about meeting. Made a duplicate account on the site and spoke to that same lady... and she was hesitant to meet... yet with my real account (me) she pushed it. So she seemed selective so that is good. Yet she is not the one I want.
The one I want like I said I talked to since October.
Here is the problem More and more am I getting convinced I am dealing with 2 people. One "boris" and the other.. the actual lady.
Lady steps in when she is needed.
The problem is.. she is a bit of a celebrity. On her vk page she lives a posh life yet is down to earth. Dont want to give her away too much in public.. but sure to say she is pretty known news presenter, and a Miss Ukraine winner).. so it was really easy to find her.
What I said earlier is true. I am no longer capable to be clear minded and thus I like to hear your opinion .. especially yours LR.
So here are the facts.
She never asks for money. But I dont think that is what she is after. What if she is getting paid to keep the guy spending money on the site... with credits (to chat) emails, and site memberships.
This way she will never have a need to ask you for money directly or indirectly (expensive restaurants).
Now lets do the VK thing.
In an other post there was a lot of assumptions flying around on the VK news feed from friends. I have to say.. it can not be what the girl clicks and reads. Impossible because in that case this girl I am dealing with is not eating, breathing pooping or peeing as her feed is continuous.. every several seconds (seriosuly) non stop.
The flipside.. is that these news feed she is supposedly reading.. really are things that targets her. (like her horoscope) etc. etc. So in that respect it does look like she is actually hand picking them and reading them. But like i said.. that still is impossible.
Then.. back to the 2 people thing.
Every picture "boris" sends me is from the lady's vk page. Not a SINGLE picture sent to me was not also on her vk profile.
What really killed me was she told me she was going out with friends for new years.. and that was true...
but then after she hung out with friends.. she put a few pictures up of a table.. 2 glasses of champagne, 2 nads holding the glasses .. glasses touching each other.. looked like a very very romantic setting.
Of course I am not stupid.. busted. But why cant I not find anything concrete. Her holding his hand. her with guys on her profile.. kissing. IN her earlier pictures pre meeting me.. there are plenty of her with guys.. .. since she has been on the site.. none of that
And of course I am keeping a lot from you all.. these are just the highlights. So keep this in mind..
I spent WAY too much already on this.. my worry is.. it seems I can swing it both ways.. plenty of reasons why she is fake.. and even more why she can be real despite the fake ones.
I know the obvious. I am not looking for answers like "she is fake".. I just want to hear opinions and your reasons.
Yes,,, we do fight a bit here. Sometimes it’s egos,,, pride,,, difference of opinions, or fighting against “Sock Puppets” of the FSU dating industry!
You want to believe the propaganda, because it sounds so good. This forum is really the only thing that comes between fiction and the truth,,,, without making an actual trip. First trips are eye openers!
Years ago,, the women’s profiles looked so much sweeter and simpler than they do today. Now,, it’s selling sex appeal,,, in various forms.
An agency will order their girls not to communicate off of the websites,,, and the girls will make claims of threats from agency owners.
All agency girls will invite you to their city,,, and anything about you is of little consequence. Once in their city, you are expected to use agency services,,, and they might even be the cheapest rate. But what is the purpose of their invitation?
You could be dealing with two different translators,, or,, something not considered here before,,, she is switching between her laptop and her mobile phone. People will often write the short version when on the mobile.
Celebrity photos can be easily copied and used in several profiles. I currently have several fb friends with multiple fb profiles,, as well as dating profiles. It should not be surprising, that one of her fb last names is “Lybig”??
Who you date is up to you,,, but to me,,, the more exposure she has,,, online and in the real world,,, the bigger the headache she will be.
Paid chat is always an invitation for fraud. PPL is a scam too. Memberships, like the VIP memberships here are better,,, but not scam free. The main goal is to get you to their city, and I’m not convinced that there is no incentive for the agencies to keep you writing on a membership site. It might only be pennies,,, but with the number of letters being written each day,, our pennies add up.
A girl doesn’t need to ask for money,,, to be after money. Does her family members get sick often?? Does she have a tumor?? Does she talk a lot about holiday gifts or shopping?
The news feed on Vk is not what she has viewed that day. I made the same mistake. It is what her friends, groups, or “Noteworthy Pages” have posted or shared. It will be mostly advertising from the groups or noteworthy pages.
A girl from an agency, or a pro dater, will keep her fb and vk profiles clean. If you are not an actual friend of hers’ on fb or Vk,, then what you are able to see, is very little to none! If you are going to do a thorough search,,, you need to be looking at friends of friends,,, going through their photos looking for clues! Very time consuming,,, but,, I have found more truth that way, than being an actual friend.
Don’t forget to google her name and email address, google-image her photos, and check out “Instagram”,,, or find a friend of hers’ that has Instagram.
Once you have found some evidence on your suspicions,,,, it ends up being like an iceberg?! You can only see a third of it!
As for the conflicts I read both your messages and often agree with both. So I dont think any of you are "fake".
But lets drop that subject.
Yes you are right.
I am not a newbie at this. Went to Kiev before. But none of that.. via agency stuff. I met the girl.. cheap place for coffy. She is definitely one of the more popular "pro daters" Her name is Elichka..(elnara) I am sure a few of you have heard about her. She seems like the most popular headache here/
Here is the thing.. With her.. I think she went out with me, simply because then, no one can say she is a scammer or did anything wrong.. she talked to me for 4 months... she did meet me and was simply "not interested".. and thus now, she has a clean slate. Then suddenly she develops an interest in you again 5 minutes after the date.. me being back in my hotel and her in her apartment in Simferopol..
Anyways this story is not about her.
Yes I checked the current lady's instagram, her friends, (that have some pictures of her).
It all seems to match. You know the feeling.... "it is impossible she always somehow barely escapes suspicion with proof".
She ends a chat 30 minutes before her FB updates her being in the gym.... she accepted my gift 1 hour before she updates her VK page with a picture of her at the airport saying "xxxxx here I come".
And yes... why is it that they are sooo EASY to approach and seduce on the pay site but when you find their vk page she will not even read, respond interact with you...
Right now.. my concern is.. I need to prove I am dealing with Boris and the girl. I am trying to get a refund for all the money I spent. For this I need proof. But How do you prove something like this...
To be honest... I know for a fact there are many ladies on these sites that are real. I befriended one of them that worked for the site.. as well was a lady on it. She told me some didturbing things.. but also admitted some are real.
No matter how the current lady always seem to be OK... those 2 pictures of those champagne glasses simply can not be justified...
Check this out.
yesterday we had a "movie night" aww how cute no?
I recommended a movie and we both found it .. supposedly... I found it on internet of course... she.. has no computer and does it all via her phone.. I thought... this is my chance to interact with her on vk.. to see if Boris is Gia (lets call her that for now) So boris is the "lady" I am actually interacting with.. and the actual lady is called "Gia".
So I am about to tell her,.. ok I found the movie .. but I can not give you the link via this paid chat. before I suggested if I could paste the link in a message on vk.. she tells me.. ok I found it too. dang it!! then midway I ask her.. are you watching it on your phone? She said.. no TV.
Did technology jump a few notches without me noticing? You can find movies like "The princess bride" on TV? In the Ukraine? DO they have stuff like netflix there?
Anyways.. the point of my story..
So after the movie.. she is quiet. I am thinking of course Boris is not actually sitting her with me watching movies. SO credits run, I hear nothing. I type "well?" nothing
like a minite goes by and I decided to trick her. "Are you still watching?" She responds.. no it finished.. "I didnt really like it". Then she said ok my turn..
then she came up with this obscure movie.. of Spanish production. I never even heard of it.
So I say ok.
Now here comes the highlight..
58 minutes in the movie I check her news feed.
This is FREAKY!! the news feed has completely random crap, from fingernail art, recipes, pictures of people's kids... and a picture .. screen shot of the exact scene my running movie is showing at that instant.
Not only did it seem like the actual Gia, looked into the movie that Boris suggested (58 minutes after we started).. but I randomly checked her feed at no specific time, and the screen shot (picture) of a random scene of that movie in her news feed matched exactly the current time of the movie I was watching. WTF?!
So of course suddenly all my suspicions drop! Boris IS Gia....
Then I realize... that scene screen capture in her news feed, was of on the profile of a friend of hers. So you see her friends name, and under that friends name an other name and the picture falls under that 3rd persons profile ...
I am not sure how the news feed works.. so I do not know exactly what I can conclude from this.. but still... very weird.
and on top of it.. it was this person's entire (well a big portion) of their time line that was displayed in Gias news feed.
So I can not conclude anything. I don't know if Gia actually went looking for this movie... or if this is just some huge coincidence.
Again.. like always.. no concrete proof either way. This is why my title.. cut your losses and move on. But is this really coincidence? Some obscure movie... comes in Gias news feed.. THAT day.. THAT time Boris and I decided to watch THAT movie... And it is not like it is a popular known movie that everyone talks about..
Like i said.. her news feed does not stop. What are the odds a random friend of hers looked up that movie at that moment ..
You and any can "stop and cut your losses" when..,
1. She is not available, will not make herself available, plus what TomZ wrote.
2. Got that Skype or Viber # but she only available during working hours but any hour after she is busy and gives excuses? She is married or she is hiding you from her #1.
3. A relationship have been established, but ipon meeting in the flesh for a few days, you know she got issues that you won't or cannot handle. Let go and move on.
99. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like duck... Is a duck! And not the intended target; there fore, "stop and cut your losses" before the insanity moves in.
It could be helpful the age difference between both of you and if she have kids.
I had used google, VK, FB, Odnoklassniki , mail.RU', yandex to look up but I get blocked or ignored. It's best to use those website to verify their status once I had established video chatting. Searching like a dictective is wasting time. Just like LR said.
"If she is reluctant to talk with you offsite (email, Skype, vk, whatever) RUN"
My little friend said she thinks women who do not want to go offsite also do not want to deal with time wasting men. I did not invest a lot of time into any of the lovely young ladies, so I don't know if I had demonstrated more commitment if they would have gone offsite for me. Of the ladies who write to me, two went to skype. One was an obvious scammer. The other was my little friend who was determined to set me up with her mother. Now that is going very well.
FS, I have seen that sign before,,,, but I’m not sure from which girl. It is either a slender black haired girl named Elena K. from Kyiv or Brovary,,, or a very busty girl with a lot of tats from all over with many names,,,, and is the “Lybig” girl I mentioned before. I looked in both of their profiles and did not see that sign on a dating site.
I don’t have time now to look,,, but if you want, you could send her other id no. here or to my PM,s
FS, Thanks for elaborating a bit further on this.
In a few words, let it go. Seeking justice and compensation is futile. I don’t think you can take this issue to the FBI, MI5 or Interpol; probably, you were dealing with organized/ syndicated criminals, human traffickers forcing women to be pro-daters/scammer. Who really knows??? Just be glad to be safe and sound back at home.” stop and cut your losses” now. Give yourself some time and start over fresh again.
IMHO…Report her and post all her information to warm others. Many of us have similar battle scares like yours.
I found one lady on pay per lettter resonse site and also on a completely free dating site. She has responded to two messages that I sent via the pay site and I keep getting invitations for video chat, but my messages on the free site go unanswered and the free site shows the last time when the person accessed the site.
FS,,,, did you say: “Movie Night” while on paid chat?? No,,, no,,, no!
I’ve seen that photo of a girl with a sign while at the airport,,,, the windows are on the left side. But I ‘m not able to find it.
The news feed has very little to do with what she is watching. It could be possible that she has several profiles,,, and is her own friend??
If you want to check what she posts,,, find a friend of hers’ that has few friends.
If you want to preserve some of the details on her,,, info from her profiles,,, not only copy it to your computer,,, but take a photo of your computer screen, of her profiles. That way if she deletes photos or other info,,, blocks you,,, you have a real copy of it. Clean your computer screen and turn off your flash. You get the link info, id no. dates, etc.
Some websites offer a refund if the girl does not show up or is a scammer! But,,, you needed to let the website plan your trip. I also heard of men getting refunds for their letters,,, but it’s very rare.
Gia is also the name of an escort agency in Kyiv!!
If you want a more thorough investigation on her,,, we will need the website name,, the girl’s name,, and her id no..
All thanks for the advise. Yes I agree. I decided to man up and confront her. the usual...
LR, I am not sure with what you mean with sign.. and looking her up. Maybe I was not clear in my previous message.
I know everyone will say this about their case...
But this really is a bit of an unusual case.
So I approached a friend .. "friend" of hers on vk. I say friend... she doesnt know her very well.. but this friend does know her somewhat.
She helped me out a lot. I asked her all sorts of questions about her. (while I was confronting "Boris" )
This friend and Gia and like 8 others went to India on vacation all together. Was some sort of yoga.. arts self improvement trip).
She gave me her exact flight times etc. etc. So I could check my chat logs and see if she Boris was chatting with me while Gia was in mid air.
Well of course..... Boris and I chat every day..... the day 3 days before Gias flight.. 2 days before, 1 day before.... the day OF her flight... early in the morning.... then...
nothing from Boris at the departure of the flight.. nothing that same day.. nothing the next day... and here is Boris again.... matching Gia's arrival... and then further contact daily.
Still.... like I said... I confronted her... told her.. just go to vk right now.. and send me a message from there.. right now. Of course she refused. "if I have to prove it to you with evidence then it is not worth it".
I have alerted the site already weeks ago. They are actually working with me on this. They are pending a full investigation ... they are just waiting on me to say the word.
I have received a refund from there before of about 300 dollars due to some fake woman. So it is not unrealistic to fight for it.
Odd that Boris keeps saying.. "just come meet me and when we meet you will feel better". Yeah DUH of course I will feel better IF we meet. The point is.. why do you refuse to prove you are real BEFORE I make a trip all the way there!!
I will give you all the info pics bla bla in a few days. I am dealing with the site now and I just need concrete proof. Sorry.. but I really do want my damn money back..