FeelingStupid - a TV host, a public figure is going to go on some dating site to find a foreigner? Why the hell would she want to do that? If she has a good job in Ukraine why the hell would she want to leave.
I would try to find the station that she works at and try to get her work email and email her there.
I think you're going to find the whole thing is one big scam and you are being played for the schmuk that you are.
"That's the whole purpose of going to the FSU - to get something not available to you at home."
I am 60 and overweight. I was stupid lucky stumbling into a great situation on the first day of my first trip to Ukraine. My sense is this is the real deal. Even if it is not, it is a fantastic experience. If it is, it will be life changing for me.
An American woman like this simply does not exist. If she did, she would never be my girlfriend.
I am realistic. I understand this is working because the income difference between me and her is staggering. The other reason it works is I am not a jerk and we have a lot of things in common. Like we are both pretty goofy. Go figure.
I also understand that if I turn her into an American woman, I may well lose her when I am 71 and she is 53.
I think realism is key. The more things you have going for you, the higher you can aim. If you are realistic when you come to Ukraine (and are not a jerk) then you can have success.
But TomZ, not many men are looking for what you are 'looking' for. To find a 10 or anything close to it and KEEPING it is another story.
In the FSU, I understand the finding a girl a little bit younger and/or a bit slender than at home but out of one's 'ballpark' is a recipe for disaster.
"That's the whole purpose of going to the FSU - to get something not available to you at home."
Not available or that women have no interest in the guy for whatever reason????ie: loser, boring, poor, issues.....just to name a few.
"In the FSU, I understand the finding a girl a little bit younger and/or a bit slender than at home but out of one's 'ballpark' is a recipe for disaster."
TomZ, I agree that getting 8s 9s or 10s is very possible in Ukraine for the right guy.
HOWEVER, The chances of success drop precipitously when you bring her to a western country.
If a young 10 is what you want long term, then plan on living the majority of your life in Ukraine with her.
Someone asked what have I got? Well, right now I have a nice girlfriend in Ukraine. We're dating. Are we going to get married? I don't know. We're going to take it slow. There's no hurry. Hurry to marriage hurry to divorce.
I do know that if we were to break up tomorrow, I'd easily have a new girlfriend within a week or two if that's what I wanted. I already have some waiting in the wings.
I have been spoiled by FSU women. Someone said once you go foreign you never go back. I think this guy was right.
TomZ wrote: "Someone asked what have I got? Well, right now I have a nice girlfriend in Ukraine. We're dating. Are we going to get married? I don't know. We're going to take it slow. There's no hurry. Hurry to marriage hurry to divorce."
And thats all you can do. one cannot predict the future. it may work out, it may not but as you said if it doesnt there are more to chose from.
I also have a nice girlfriend in Ukraine. not a 10, but an 8. She wants to marry and I am agreeable if things continue to work out but only time
"I have been spoiled by FSU women."
me too! If you are used to the lifestyle, customs and traditions and especially if you have a grasp of the language, American girls never compare
FS wrote: "I am going to Kiev and have the dates"
good luck with that! I very much prefer the small town and village girls instead of Kiev girls. Too much western expectations from foreign men. There are exceptions but you very likely wont find them through an agency.
Let me quickly clarify some things (and ignore the jabs at me).
I did not watch a movie with her on chat. We did the corny countdown, hit[play] and then said our.. "will talk to you soon". So that's that.
I know you are all used to people being stupid and ignorant, and I dont blame you all for reading my story and of course fill in all the blanks and in between the lines with your own conclusions of how I think and what I do.
I have set limits for myself.
Now the other important thing I want to clarify.
Someone said "why would she want to leave Ukraine if she has a good job ".
My response is.. why do you think/assume women want to leave Ukraine? Yes professional dates are scammers, sure. Women that want to find a man to leave their country.. sure are scammers.
Does this mean that every woman on that dating site is eager to leave? or a scammer? .. of course not.
Also I do not want to get married. I dont want to play savior to some poor beautiful 18 year old that needs saving from their country.
I dont NEED a woman .. nor do I need a Russian...
If tomorrow some hot latina tries to get with me.. I am there!
If I am going to be with a woman she better contribute to the relationship. Both spiritual and financially. Sure jab on me with .. you are dreaming... sure.. that is ok. most of my dreams have come true several times.. so let me dream.
Tom, do not assume your reasons for being here, or what ever you are here for is the same as everyone's.
The other ladys that I am seeing, agreed to just hang out. One offered to do a photoshoot with me... and give me a tour around the city. She has a car and wants to compare notes on photography. She does it professionally (seen her web page, her business (found this all on my own ). She has a portfolio that is ridiculous. She is really good. No mention on restaurants dinner.. money.. none of that. In fact we barey even talk. I just accused her of being fake.. we had a laugh about it after I realized I was wrong... and we just want to meet. I told her "just friends" NOT A DAMN THING MORE. She was absolutely shocked at first.. and slowly just found the idea enlightening. She told me her REAL city where she lived.. was slightly different on her page..
And this is what I want. I am not there to get married.. or get a girlfriend.. forced and fake. I just wan tto hang out and befriend some smart sexy women.. and genuinely be friends. Sure I know how retarded that sounds.. laugh all you want. I will give you an honest update how it went .. that I promise.
I see people here are too jealous.. to insecure.. too quick to have to show their right, know more.. the louder you bark.. the more need you have to show the other is wrong.. simply the more insecure you are. If you see someone else being wrong.. or if you think they are wrong.. kindly say your opinion without the need for personal attacks.. and if they dont agree... who the hell cares.?!?!?! ALl y'alls posts just makes me shake my head and think.. poor guys man.
And .. jabbing at someone and at the end of the little paragraph of jab say " hope you didnt take it personal..." if you really didnt mean it personal you wouldn't have said "hope you didnt take it personal". Also if you dont want it tobe taken personal.. just dont throw personal jabs at anyone no?
Really.. jab all you want all of you.. it seriously doesnt phase me one bit. You just make yourself look so desperately insecure and petty.
So if you seriously want to help and follow along.. feel free.. leave the attacks to me or others out of it no?
Ohh and tom... why said she wants a foreign man?
Like me I dont "want " a russian woman. Me having a profile on the site doesnt mean I dont have one on a Miami based site, . I am just exposing myself to this site, aiming at eastern European women, and I go out here, and have fun with the Italians, and when I am back home in FLorida after my 1 year contract, go catch up with my latina hotties.
Stop being so obsessed with this.. that.. who is wrong.. right.. and just relax.. all of you!
If she's really into you she will find a way to talk off site and will do so openly. There's enough wallets to go around on the PPL and PTC sites that if a girl actually found someone she liked she would not want you to be there.
I will be in Kiev next week and Odessa the week after if you need a hand or want another opinion.
Ah huh, yep that was me you spoke of, should have just identified me that would have been cool. I don't take any remarks personaly BUT many people here get defensive, hence my 'line'. My post was NOT a personal jab, only my thoughts on your situation. Been around a while and have read and seen many experiences, just thought I added my 2 cents. I do think you took it personal FS, its okay to jab back all you want!!!
Nice to hear you got a friendship going, gotta start somewhere.....good luck with it!! ))
The forum is supposed to be for sharing our experiences,,, but whenever you are candid or honest about it,,, people come out of the wood work to trash it. Itís as if, everyone thinks they are doing a perfect job and canít do any wrong.
You might have noticed that I havenít posted on this thread for a few days.
FS - I'm interested. How did it go with your TV Host? I mean this famous Kiev celebrity wants to meet with litl ole YOU?????
That TV Host is so desperate she has to put her profile on some dating site to attract a foreigner from thousands of miles away so he can come to her city and meet with him, that is of course because she can't get any dates locally, being a celebrity and all...
Please don't shoot the messenger, I come in peace.
So you've got a "Miss Ukraine" beauty (and personality) queen who is, these days, a personality on thousands/millions of TV screens around Ukraine, chances are that she could have pretty much any man that she wants ... Have you thought to stop and ask yourself "Why me?"?
Imagine, before you started out on this venture, if you'd ever imagined yourself sleeping with a Miss Ukraine TV personality, what would you have said to yourself?
What if you go down your local bar and tell the customers that you have a Miss Ukraine TV personality in your pocket, what percentage of them do you think will say "Wow" and what percentage of them do you think will laugh you out of the bar?
I can guess what you're saying to yourself "But what if she is legit", "But what if", "But what if" ... And that you've invested X amount of money in to her until now you want to keep investing rather than accept that you've wasted your money.
FS ... I've been there, done that, I've got the tee shirt, in your OP you say you came here looking for opinions, others, and now myself, have given you our opinions but, take a look in the mirror at yourself, it seems your only willing to listen to any opinions that you agree with!
MartinPC, that is exactly what I am catching myself do... well .. before... not anymore.
"what if she IS legit".
I do not let this drive me (anymore). Yes I admit for a short while there it got me doubting.. as .. well, not that she is convincing.... but just because
- - -"it is damn impossible she has a escape card for every little thing I find... if she was fake, it would be hard to prove. But it is easy to prove I am dealing with 2 people.... yet every path I go to to find prove.. gives me the opposite... she always has good proof she is who I ma dealing with "- - -
So this is what kept driving me crazy.
So now... luckily I snapped out of it and I dont care anymore. I stopped the chatting. If she is not willing to chat on VK.com... I am not willing to chat on the site.
I get 30 free messages / month.. well "free".. it comes with the membership.. and i will use that to only message her when there is something important to say.
1) the price for membership is pretty cheap. It is way way way too much work for her to make it worth that little money to keep up her fake persona.. if that is the case.
2) it is just for the next 2 weeks.. as I am going to Kiev... and if she doesn't show up.. well thats that.. done.
Like I said.. I set "acceptable " limits for myself. "acceptable" meaning.. acceptable for me. .. not necessarily for you. My trip to Ukraine is mainly for pictures and experience (traveling the world for the last 6 months).. so her showing up or not.. will not phase me one bit (anymore). I just lost sight of this for a bit there.
So yes all honest relevant opinions I read consider and process at my discretion. Dont feel flattered if I do follow yours, nor be angry if I do not.
As of now I am just scheduled to meet someone by the end of this month.
I feel like I am in her "league" of guys. Why I think this.. is irrelevant. She is not too beautiful for "lil ol me". Nor am I too ugly... to be in her league.
LR, yes I noticed you not posting anymore. I would say post.. just dont give in into these retarded battles here man. Just ignore them.
I am ignoring all these petty jabs at me too, ... I read them.. I fish out info that is relevant and delete all the rest of "insulting" jabs.