Wow ! turning up into a script for a Marvel movie, Batman joining Rambo ..
After you are done throwing up Batman, have a glass of milk and a cookie and read the following sure plan to find your lover for you.
First , find an honest dating website.promoting love in Ukraine or Russia I said an honest one, not one of these scam site an honest one! Once you find it, create a nice profile and show how serious you are about finding the love of your life. Provide a lot of details because , women do read them . Then start browsing the thousand of beauties waiting at home looking for love from an american or brits or else because she cant find a good men in UKR. You will see there is so many , you will get flooded with emails. Now take your time to pick who you want . I suggest that gorgeous hot blond for you. Its ok dont worry about a thing , gorgeous hot blond in Ukraine are all living in difficult conditions and they are pretty much ignored by mens there. Dont worry about the pictures they have on yacht or in Dubai , its photoshop. She is waiting for you ! Once you got her hook up with your profile develop a good relationship with her. Letters, chat, skype id say a good 3 to 6 months. To show how serious you are its ok to send her some small gift once a while and help her with electricity bill, hospital fees, apartment rent after all, she will be your wife.
Now time to go visit your lover. Find an honest agency. Not some scamming agencies but an honest one. That agency will help you finding an honest translator. Not one on the take on everything you spend one that care about you. Once you have that you are ready to go. Now as a precaution in case your lover might not be available for that specific time that you planned for the last 6 months with her , i suggest to come prepared with at least 4 or 5 other names because your lover might have a family emergency or some other last minute problem. Dont worry , you will be in good hands and your agency will introduce you to some other very lovely girls who just want to marry you.
How is my plan for you? I guess your stomach can take that better.
And because i like you very much let me sweet it a bit.
On your way to Kiev, i suggest you stop by Vegas. I will put you in touch with a very honest time sharing operator. Not one of these scammer , an honest one! He will make you a deal so good that your stay in Kiev will be free ! And while you there , because i like you, i can put you i touch with a casino manager that will get you access to a private part in the casino where the odds of winning are 3 times the ones in other area. A sure win!! And while you there , ill put you in touch with an honest street hustler, not a scammer an honest guy, that can get you in any nightclub with a VIP pass !
Bottom line if you want to marry one, you need to move in UKR , date her and be a real boyfriend first. Adapt to the culture difference, adapt to their bi polar attitude then find peace in the relationship.
Why didn't you guys tell me before? Since I didn't move there and married a beautiful woman 20 years younger than me, is our marriage void? I wish I knew all these rules before I went there, found a beautiful, younger, agency girl, and was married. If I tell her I didn't do what I "need" to do, does it all count?
Py,,, I think the proper term for Rick is “Sock Puppet”!
I always knew Rick was half Ukrainian,,, but I didn’t know he was born there,, or spent half of his childhood there. I’ve long questioned his allegiance,,, is it to western men,, or to FSU countries and people?? It’s no longer a mystery!!
Him, and a few other locals, keep insulting and threatening anyone who dares say a bad word about Ukraine. This whole FSU online dating thing is a cesspool of corruption,, and anyone who has done their homework,,, or made the trip KNOWS this!!! But,,, if they report it here, they open themselves up to nonstop insults and threats! According to Rick,,,,, I’m 3’6 380lbs and have less hair than Homer Simpson, plus I live in my basement?? Really??
Rick,,, and the other “Independent operators“, use the forum to promote their own businesses. Transportation,,,, taxi, airport shuttle service,,,,,, interpreters,, accommodations/flats,,,,, English or Russian language classes,,,, sometimes to help with meeting women???
What is this starting to sound like??? Agencies!!! It’s just a modern version of the agency.
It might sound like a good idea to some,,, to have a “buddy” or a “bro” along on the date, instead of paying some old agency lady. Both are trying to make a buck!! Any time there is a dollar to be made,, there is a lie to be told.
Local husbands and boyfriends drive their wife/girl to go on these dates with foreign men,,,, what the hell does that say about the people???
Pyth had suggest like many others did before including Rick.Buddy feel free to debunk it)
..... "you need to move in UKR , date her and be a real boyfriend first. Adapt to the culture difference, adapt to their bi polar attitude then find peace in the relationship."
I worked in UA for 30 days and after 2 months took vacation for another 30 days ...rent a house for <$300 and a VW golf ($500) out KBP. I did blowed some $$$ but no regrets...for the record no scams or any of that...just a learning experience and found out I couldn't handle her craziness. I failed the ACID test....
30 days of living/working is enough to know if you BOTH got what it takes for a REAL Marriage..
< 7 days is for 1 time meet up.
or you can filed for a K Visa aka Fiance Visa 90 days
or ship her to the States if her country is on the Visa Waiver Program also 90 days.. DO NOT LET HER OVER STAYED...big problemo..trust me bro!
People like Tom are very fortunate: congrats mission accomplished
People like LR are very unfortunate: There is still hope out there, get some!
LR wrote: "I always knew Rick was half Ukrainian,,, but I didn’t know he was born there,, or spent half of his childhood there. I’ve long questioned his allegiance,,, is it to western men,, or to FSU countries and people?? It’s no longer a mystery!!"
whats wrong with loving one's homeland???? an no, Looney, you are NOT attractive!
what is wrong in suggesting that if someone is SERIOUS about meeting a Ukrainian girl that they should learn more about the lifestyle, culture, traditions and most importantly the LANGUAGE!!!!! No one except Mexicans are demanding that Americans learn their language in America! Why shouldn't Westerners invest the time to learn about Ukraine before they come?
Also, why wouldn't someone take advantage of independent people who dont work for an agency to help them in Ukraine?
The girls I know who provide translation and other assistance to foreigners arent trying to rip anyone off. Just pay the rate they offer and they
will advocate for YOUR best interests and not the agency or ladies you seek to meet. Why? because if you are happy with the services you
will use again and tell others and everyone is happy. My friend Nataliya has many western clients because they trust her. She doesnt judge them and
does exactly what they want unless she feels that it is a bad situation for them and will explain why it is bad idea for them.
Same for apartments, my friends have 5 star accommodations competitively priced in many cities. They want REPEAT business and wouldnt dare rip anyone off.
Why is that so hard for you to imagine looney?
language classes? do you want EVERYONE to call you a stupid fool while smiling in your face? I have often said that men thinking of coming to Ukraine should spend the small amount of money to buy both Rosetta stone and Pimsuler and do both for 3 months before coming. The combination of both and a commitment of 3 months can make an incredible difference in a man's confidence and it very much impresses the ladies that you have made an effort to understand their language!
many people( especially Americans in the Ukrainian adoption arena)have said that this 3 month commitment to language learning has made an incredible difference in positive outcomes bonding with their new kids.
Im not trying to make money here. Its not enough to even be worth the time. I am trying to help guys here in so much that they dont come to Ukraine
with stupid fantasies, false ideas and so they dont get ripped off by agencies or anyone else.
Do I like to meet western guys in Ukraine? of course! Its fun to hang out and drink together and stop people from doing something stupid. Do all listen?
nope, I know some guys here 3 and 4 years now still blowing their money on young hotties who will never marry them and they refuse to listen to reason.
I now have more than a few friends in Odessa dating young hotties, some long term now, who decided to follow my advice and move here and are happy as can be.
Are their relationships forever? maybe yes or no but they are far better off than the poor saps that come on tours and lose thousands and have nothing but
sad memories to show for it.
Rick: "for the right price I will do it,lol I just upgraded from a Hyundai accent to a Mercedes GL as its much better
for winter. Actually, natasha will also do it in my car if I cannot.
the girls will be impressed"
Rick: “whats wrong with loving one's homeland????”
Nothing!! Why do you ask?? I question your allegiance!!
Rick: “an no, Looney, you are NOT attractive!”
Rick is saying that, because he believes that he has found my main profile.
So tell me,,, what is the number of MY photo on Vk????
Don’t you think,,, that I realized long ago, that I could not depend on Moya keeping her word????
And isn’t it a little weird, for a man to critique another mans looks??? But if you want to go there,,,, did you have chicken pox when you were young (the pot holes)?? Perhaps you should spend a little less time in the sun,,,, you look like a burnt potato chip! And what the hell is with that hair dye,,, it looks like powered chocolate.
Agencies want repeat business too! Why wouldn’t an independent person lie to keep a job going??
I won’t ever stay in an apartment,,, especially on a first visit to a girl and her city. But others are different and do that if they want.
Do your friends get paid in advance with no refunds??? That’s something for everyone to think about.
rick .....get botox like looney and look just as stupid
I went to a skin specialist the other day for my 30 something skin cancers on my face . the doc asked about my appearance my reply ........
I don't give two fks what I look like I have a gorgouse wife and my model carear was over ages ago so do what ever you want with the treatment..now I look like my face has spent a week in a preasure cooker ...like a baboons arse .... what a crack up ...would you like a picture looney and see if it get you hard like my other pics ..
good test to see if attraction is about looks .... wink wink
I realize that i come across as an asshole and frankly i accept the title! One of the thing that we have us retarded people is this ability to detect rapidly another asshole when we see, hear or read one.
I guess its a natural connection...
So that's why when i sit in an MLM meeting ( Multi level marketing) or Network marketing or whatever they call it these days , i always raise my hand ! Somehow i never seem to get it because i keep asking the wrong questions. And i got kicked out few times.
For those of you that have been convince by your buddy to attend one of these MLM meeting ( Be your own boss, recurring revenues for the rest of your life, get rich working from home blablabl). You will notice that there two major components to their little fantasy
1- The honest MLM that will tell you all about the others that are scamming and how they do it. Dont worry you are in good hand with them they will protect you.
2- The success stories. The people that join in and became rich and happy for the rest of their life. Now here is the good news, these people they talk about! they are in the room ! unbelievable the luck we have !
And they will share with us, how they lost their jobs, were about to have the bank taking their house and how miserable life was. They joined the program, applied the recipe and they got rich. Today, they don't need to work, money is coming like crazy from their downline , happiness.
This is when that asshole start asking questions , specially to my successful guys!And i become annoying for the organizers.
Have you notice on this board, when doubt are being expressed about this bride business, somebody comes up with his testimonial about how he was so successful and his so happy now ? How he is an old fart and he was able through agent and website get a 20 years old younger princess, marry her and got her to move into one of these village in Alabama where all dreams dies. And its going so well that he needs to come on this board everyday to share that with us!
If you don't believe the asshole, then go to an MLM meeting in your area. The bride business use exactly the same approach as the MLM guys exept they don"t do the meeting they use discussion boards to deal with your fears of scammers, your doubts about is it for me and treat with whatever objections you might have. Attending the meeting you will realized how they are using your dreams and convince you how they can make it happen, if you register to the startup package !
LR wrote: "Do your friends get paid in advance with no refunds??? That’s something for everyone to think about."
why would anyone need refund if accommodations are VIP level?
and whats wrong with making an honest living providing a service for people who need it? Especially if they
are going to spend the money anyway?
"Have you notice on this board, when doubt are being expressed about this bride business, somebody comes up with his testimonial about how he was so successful and his so happy now ?"
there are only 2 people currently on the forum who found wife with agency. where have I advocated for a agency? With that said, I know for a FACT that
there are good girls on Fiance site in both Nikolaev and Kherson that are real and would accept the right guy. I have met them (not for dating but just through life) One nice 24 year old girl who works at grocery and just finished university. If you use an agency then it is required to use common sense and not
fall for the fantasy.
TomZ wrote: "I am in Ukraine right now in a relationship right now. She's coming over this evening after work to spend the night.
Does it get any better than that?"
"Py - how many thousands do you spend on your trips to Odessa to get 'laid'?
Wouldn't it be cheaper just to hire a prostitute in Las Vegas? I am sure they have lots of them there."
Is this your only way to get laid? hiring a WG? Im telling you dude , you need to work on your game with women.
"This seems like a long way to go just to look. "
I agree, why would you go on a romance tour or some agency scam thing because that's what will happen unless we go back to your first premise about WG.
So If we don't go for WG or on a bride scamming mission, why going?
If you have to travel in Europe for business or other reasons then wherever you are, you can get a connection to Kiev and Odessa easy and cheap.
Why not going to Berlin , Paris , Copenhagen , Budapest or Moscow instead of UKR? quantity of beautiful women. Other cities might have the same ratio but are more costly or less safe or plain and simple more difficult to interact with people.
On top, there is a big expat community that you can network with which is opening up a lot more understanding of what to do and not to do, where to go and who to network with. .
If you do business there might be some opportunities for you shaping up with the value of money. On my last trip i found a team of coders who develop Ipad apps. I put them in touch with a company in Reno. They will outsource some work to them. Im not in the IT field but if i can help someone by connecting them why not.
"I am in Ukraine right now in a relationship right now. She's coming over this evening after work to spend the night.
Does it get any better than that?"
Nope, it doesn't! Just don't promise her all kind of things that you won't do or have her to believe that you might marry her if she is nice to you.
PY said "Why not going to Berlin , Paris , Copenhagen , Budapest or Moscow instead of UKR? quantity of beautiful women. Other cities might have the same ratio but are more costly or less safe or plain and simple more difficult to interact with people."
dude, the Brits, the frenches,the Germans, the Denms and Russians go to Ukraine...