I've been home for 10 days. 15 years of going to Ukraine, 2 long term relationships, about a year spent in the country, no marriages.
Plan E contingency is a post from about 10 days ago. Alina is a poster girl for A-date and my guard was always up. I said I'd update the board good or bad. She was my last option in my January trip but it seemed very good when I took the chance.
So my updates are:
* She wants me to come back to Odessa to stay for an extended period rather than her visit Australia.
* Her mother is in hospital which I have checked (I speak Russian) but she won't accept any money for care - specifically said - I will not accept any money from you.
* I spoke to her mother in hospital and her wishes are quite specific and good... She met me in Odessa and likes me.
So, guards are coming down lads. I'll organise my return visit and extended stay.
Tom z I don't know where you live but here if they stay less than 2 years they get deported.
so the fact is months of wild sex over there with a beautiful young woman that you really like, 6 months of wild sex over here, then she leaves costing you a couple grand total? If I wasnt married I'd sign up for that plan over here any time. Hell in 8 months of dating a crappy american woman you would have spent a couple grand any way. Save money, have a much younger, beautiful sex partner you really like, ooh yea, I see the down side.
On the other hand she might just stay (my wife has been here for 16 months) and you end up with the woman you never dared dreamed might exist because it would be seeing an impossible level
As someone who spends several months a year here, my plan is to marry while in ukraine and while preparing the marriage visa see how things
develop. In Ukraine its easy to divorce with little consequence.
I guess the Australian system is a little different. It can't possibly result in a quick marriage. Unless there are exceptional circumstances you need a year of an evidenced in person relationship. Multiple visits, living together, photos, letters, phone calls.
Then you have a 9 month fiancee visa. Then she has a two year period before she becomes a fully fledged citizen. So start to finish is 3 yrs 9 months.
Rick my plan is similar. I don't plan to get married immediately. I plan to live with the girl 1-2 years to see how we get on together. Then if everything goes well, we'll have a child together in her country. A child can often bond a family together. Then if I see that she's serious and not using me for immigration then we can cross that bridge together.
That sounds like a really great plan!! Your own child won’t have the same citizenship as yourself,,, at times, the mother and child will be on another continent than you.
If something goes wrong in the relationship,,, she holds all of the cards.
How much are you willing to pay to see your own child???
Looney, I think you are not understanding something. If a child is born to an American citizen, no matter where, that child automatically is a US citizen.
This is why the whole issue of where Obama was born wasnt ever a legitimate issue as his mother was an American citizen which means Obama automatically because a US citizen no matter if he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.
Senator McCain was born in Panama. He is still a citizen of the US.
I was born in Odesa but my father was a US citizen so guess what? I automatically got US citizenship.
I lost my Ukrainian citizenship because I did not affirm at age 18 and to have done so during Soviet times meant giving up US citizenship.
After 1991, It became possible to have both by simply keeping UA passport up to date even after gaining US citizenship thus having dual citizenship.
Formally, Dual citizenship is illegal in Ukraine but it is rarely enforced.
However, I should have permanent residency approved on 16th which means I can actually "own" my car in my name
'Looney, I think you are not understanding something. If a child is born to an American citizen, no matter where, that child automatically is a US citizen. '
Unless something has changed there is a certain time frame to do paperwork for citizenship. My ex's dad was citizen but do not file in time. I used to kid my ex that she is marrying me only to gain citizenship....BTW, she almost lived her whole life in USA.
I find that hard to believe, but even if true, she still holds all of the cards. A baby born to a Ukrainian or FSU woman, in an FSU hospital, is going to be treated like a natural/native born child. I don’t think any FSU court is going to enforce US policy or law. If a guy tries to take his baby back to the west, the woman just needs to scream; “That man is stealing my baby“,,,, he and the baby are going nowhere.
Speaking of McCain,,, how does Ted Cruz fit into this? American Latino born in Canada?
never would I have a child born in Russia/Ukraine .... I wouldn't get my nails trimmed in a Russian hospital ....
best do a fiancé visa taking sometimes 3 months .... get her to aust get her up the duff have the kid in aust ... THEN I think there is no way she would ever get the kid out of aust if all goes pear shaped .
Thank you for all the advice. I am an Australian citizen so US law does not apply. A child born in another country is not an automatic Australian citizen under our law. If he/she is born in Ukraine to partners holding both, then he/she would be a Ukrainian citizen first. If he/she was born here then it would be an Australian citizen first.
My plan has always been to:
1) Spend some decent time in Ukraine with my prospective partner, but not get her pregnant
2) Bring her to Australia on a English language visa - 15 months with the least requirements. Also the easiest way to get someone out of the country if it's not working.
3) Then do the fiancee visa, but she has to apply outside of the country - 9 months
4) Then she has to stay here for two years before she is a citizen.
Beemer18 wrote: "Unless something has changed there is a certain time frame to do paperwork for citizenship."
up until 16 years but if it is not done within the first year the USICS often requests DNA test. Had to do that with oldest child because mother
went to Armenia and had child, then to Venezuela and then back to Ukraine before I found them. By then she was nearly 14 and they required DNA test first before they would approve US passport.
poppy, a fiance visa in US(K1) can take anywhere from 8 months to 2 years depending upon each situation. A friend of mine has girl finally in US only 5 weeks now and it took nearly 18 months from application until she landed in US