Just an FYI for you guys out there, dont bother wasting your time with these 2 women as they seem to have less than "real" intentions.
The one from the first lady I can understand to a certain point as it was just her 2nd letter but the other lady has sent 5 letters all of the same B.S. never answering any questions etc... Here they are...
Ekaterina Kermik ID: 23608
Kristina Gundich ID: 24760
Here is the email I received:
Hello xxxxx,
How is your life? Is it good or very good? :-)
The weather is wonderful here. It looks like real summer. It is hot and sunny. People are all covered with sweat and everybody complains as usual.
I do not complain. Summer is going to be over very soon and I want to enjoy summer warm days. It looks like rain though. The sky is grey now. The weather is unstable like our lives. When you think that everything is alright, it starts to rain. Do you have an umbrella to protect me? :-)
Don’t you think that the nature punishes people for what they do with the environment? I watched the evening news and I was shocked. So many people suffer from floods, frost and earthquakes. It is terrible, but I do not lose my heart. I know that there is a man who would protect me in any situation. Am I right? :-)
I still hope to see you in the near future.
Take care,
I agree that the one gal posing in a teddy was a bit much but the other gal seemed a bit more "respectable". Anyway no big deal I have 10 others that I just started to correspond with that at least read my letters, answer my questions and seem sincere. I will begin to narrow them down to a couple and see where it goes from there. Just wanted to save a couple of you guys from wasting your time as well.
Wildcard please always report site administrator about it. Usually it has nothing to do with girls. This is a work of a local agency and we always looking for cases like this.Its a serious ground for removing agency from list of our partners.
I have another one if you're interested. A girl here that's listed on at least 10 other dating services, has a different name, birthdate, and claims no kids here. Everywhere else everything matches. Only thing that's the same are city and pics.
I notified customer service and I was actually given a hard time. First I was told that I was naive, then I was asked what the big deal was. When I told the person to cut the crap and that I didnt appreciate having my time wasted and that I wanted the gals removed so that someone else would not have to waste there time as well he/she finally said they would talk to a supervisor about looking into it.
We do not immediately delete girls for this. It is a not a fault of a girl, its a work of the agency. The agency was punished already. As for girls-they are 100% real.You can meet them if you come to Kiev.You can talk on the phone to any of them.
Please always see a ifference beetween what girls do and what agency manager does.
We gave them one more chance and if things like that will repeat-we will have to say good bue to the agency. But please understand that girls deserve to have a chance too. It were not girls who came to agency and asked manager to send one letter for all two of them.
Ok, I am going to have to chime in here. I know the people in this agency that is responsible. If you don't know this agency that the girls are from consists of four young women that work out of a one room office in Kiev. They aren't some huge mega-agency glitzy type agency at all. In fact most of the girls just do what they can to survive. They get basically 100% of their income from Fiance.com and from the gift deliveries associated with this site.
So having said that, one of their staff screwed up. During their letter translation and transcribing they copied the translated text over twice for two different girls to you. So you ended up with two copies of the same letter.
Now I spoke with one of their staff since I am familiar with them from my visit to Kiev. Their agency was indeed punished. They were refused any payment for the previous months work. Since they get 100% of their income from this site that is pretty devastating. Basically to the point of bringing them into bankruptcy as they won't be reimbursed for any gifts and flowers paid for and already delivered. The four staff of this agency will have no income this month. Most likely will not be able to pay their rent and are probably wondering how and where they will actually get money to eat. So yeah, I would say they have been punished.
That enough info for you Wildcard or do you want a pound more flesh? Want to try and squeeze a little more blood out of the old turnip? Also try and refresh your browser. I checked the girls about the same time as your post. At least one of them was indeed removed from the site yesterday.
Something to take note of in jeffs post as our actions can have consiquences. I for one would never post any girls name or number her unless she had somehow scammed me. And by scammed I mean actualy done something bad, not just gave out some dull letters. How would you like it if these girls had you name plastered all over there forum because in our search for someone nice, we have all sent some not so thoughful letters and just written waiting for a connection but written nothing special. Did these girls hurt you wildcard, the answers seems to be no, did you hurt them, well you at least tried.
First off lets cut out all the nonsense. I have not hurt these girls anymore than they have hurt themselves by picking the wrong agency. 2nd I did not turn the girls in on this forum until after I gave each of them (and that includes the agency) a chance to explain why I got the duplicate letters. Of course my letter was never answered and that is why I notified customer service and then posted the info here. In my opinion the "agency" posted fake photos and used canned and prewritten letters to try and string me along with the eventual hope I would "pay" for some kind of service like translating or whatever. I may be wrong but thats what I think. And please stop with the "starving to death" and "no money for rent" crap. I do not buy into that for one minute. If anything they were not paid for the 2 letters sent to me. If this site held back a full months payment from a company for a problem with 1 customer than thats unethical as well and I do not believe they would do that. So please lets stop with the hysteria and take this down to the level it deserves. I am not bashing the site. I am not calling anyone a crook. I like this site. I am coresponding with a couple of REAL girls and they seem very nice and I hope somthing will work out with one of them. But in this matter I call a spade a spade and if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and tastes like a duck then it is a duck! Its not a pretty Russian woman!
Well if the girls had anything to do with it or not is really not the relevant question. The question is on our end Gents. First if a girl on this site sends us a letter we can check their stats, well over 400 letters makes me wonder, first if someone isn't exploiting their beauty for financial gain? I'm not one who is willing to point a finger at the girls first. Hell if you don't feel good about it let it go. Did either of those women harm you in anyway but by you receiving an email? So if you write 20 women does that make you not sincere? I'm myself am really happy that the agency that represents the lady I have been writing the last two months sent the first letter. She does not have an agressive personality and admitted on my response she didn't write the introduction letter. Some of the girls are shy here and some are rogues, just like some of the men here. I don't know about the rest of you but I would hate to have over 400 letters in my mail. Kind of a catch 22, if she doesn't answer you, your pissed and if you get one from here she's not sincere. Sorry fellows I'm not buying into this at all. So no harm no foul, and since you didn't get to know the girl how can your judge her sincerity?
Wildcard you let yourself get strung along, quit whinning like a baby for Gods sakes and reach down in your pants and have a gender check please. I totally despise this crap!!!!!By the way ducks don't talk they quack!!!!!!What if the girls are totally innocent Wild? Should they have recourse with what you have said? I have received letters that didn't seem sincere to me and I have politely declined. They want guys like you who bite then cry foul because you were foolish enough to bite. Hell instead of the politcal section I want to start maybe Olga should start the crybaby section and then we all could have a good laugh.
One other thing, you blasted their numbers and name all over here Wild so you should have the balls to put your name in the letter instead of xxxxx it out. If I'm going to accuse someone of a wrong doing I'm going to have the balls to put my name out there. Hell I do already. Guys like you drive me insane
Wildcard, let me start by coining a common phrase around these parts where I live. Don't assume anything. When you do "you make an ass out of u and me". And man, you assume too much. You have never done business with russians before have you? Do you know anything about their culture? I mean truthfully? Have you ever been to Russia or the Ukraine? Maybe instead of assuming things you should ask Olga or Oleg what this particular agency was fined for these two letters. I spoke to the director of that agency. I can give you her phone number if you really want to hear for yourself what happened and how much they are currently being fined for. But of course that would mean you would have to stop assuming things and actually find out facts for yourself. If you think that this or any other russian agency would not fine someone that harshly then you are truly clueless.
I know one of those two girls you listed personally. I met her when I visited Kiev. I spoke with her also about this and she chose to remove her profile. She is real and more than likely isn't going to be going with an agency again after this. Quite franky she deserves a hell of a lot better in her life than a guy like you could offer judging by your comments and actions. She makes probably about $100 a month as her salary. She owns maybe 5 sets of clothes total and has 2 pairs of shoes she wears all the time. One pair of tennis shoes for jogging and one set of high heels for the office. She can't afford an apartment of her own so rents out one small room to live in from an older lady. You want more details? I also met one of the top 5 girls on this site from Kiev. She makes $40 a month for her salary. Lives with her mom and dreams of maybe one day being able to afford her own apartment. Both of them are absolute sweethearts. Yes, these women are actually real. Life is a hell of a lot different in the Ukraine than it is in the USA or any other western country. So get off your horse and try and find out some real facts unless that may be too unbelievable for you.
I'm not sure about duplicate letters or being a translator in an agency, I just know how hard the job of a translator can be...when you first work day and night to gain the reputation...it's a hard job, when just in one simple mistake your reputation may be ruined and you have to start it from the very beginning.
Even if a translator translated the document or a text as it was written in the original, you may be accused in the wrong translation just because from the very beginning the original text was a little bit doubtful. And I know how hard it's to concentrated after you did much work, and you still have much to do. So I think it was just a mistake of being unattentive or something like that.
I'm not protecting anybody, I'm just saying how it can be.
"And please stop with the "starving to death" and "no money for rent" crap. " Wildcard and how are you supposed to buy food or paying for the flat if the fees from translation are the only source of earning money. There are may be months when there are not much work, and I have to think out any ways of making some money, or using them the best way during the whole "black" period...