ok geri, i have meet more than i like to admit now so believe me, they realy are not that romantic. I have met a few, (and a friend of mine has had the same experience) who do not like to even kiss. sex is ok but no kissing. They like some romance but lack any themselves. Not trying to be bitter because it has not worked out for me, but maybe thats why it has not. I like a girl to show some interest, affection. its seems thats asking a lot in russia, generaly
"I like a girl to show some interest, affection. its seems thats asking a lot in russia, generaly "
Hi, ID!
Do you really mean to get "some interest, affection" just being American?
In nowday's Russia it still works, but somewhere far away in a remote village. If you want to win a civilized girl over you should try ordinary man's staff: courtship, consideration, "election promisses", small presents etc.
You'll be OK !..(for a while):)))
FSU, ID is Australian. You are showing your bias and animosity towards Americans. That's Okay, it is typical of Russian and Ukrainian women to think Americans are assholes, Mine had great apprehension about me being an American until she met me and found out the many things she heard about Americans were just not
true!
tried it all. I am not talking about winning her. I am talking about there general attitude even after you have seemingly won. many of them say they are romantic but seem to think they have no part to play. A man is happy to buy gifts etc but when there is not reward, I mean, progress, he gets to a point where he gives up. that natural. when you tell the girl she is totaly surprised as she thought all was well. I know a girl who spend 2 weeks with a friend of mine and they never even pecked lips. After 2 weeks she asked him if he wanted her to stay. In 2 weeks, I do not expect sex, but it would be nice if they showed some interest do you not think? the girl I met wanted me to kiss her when we met. I did. After that she seemed happy every day but no progress. we kissed on th lips but never any more. she said she hates to kiss. She had a boyfriend for 2 years and she had sex with him but they never kissed. How is that romantic. like some porn movie. My friend met on that same. He siad it was weird too. No passion when they had sex. So this is russian romance?
also, its one thing for a man to buy small gifts. but its not polite for a girl to bemand large ones. especialy if she is giving totaly nothing in return
ID, I think that before I told that "every girl understands romance in her own way"...as for kissing...there is an idea, that a girl who agrees to kiss or even more on the very first date is a prostitute, and no respect should be shown towards her...
Birdie,
I agree with you that the first date thing is very valid. However I have been out with more than one woman in my life that I ended up in bed with on the first date. I was with one for 4 months. It doesn't mean they are prostitutes. It means they are human. It took me a very long time to get this through my head that women in the sex department are not very different than men. Some have a stronger drive than others. Men same thing. And if there is one thing I cannot stand it is being asked for things. That is the mark of a prostitute - asking for goods or money in exchange for sex.
No, if I wish to give a gift I will and it should not be asked for. It should not be even expected. Likewise if sex is merely an obligation being filled then I want no part of that either.
I cannot relate to much of this because with Marina (my only experience) it was not the first night, the kissing was spectacular and everything was very normal.
izifaddag, I didn't mean that her man will think that she is a prostitute, but somehow old ladies here know everything, and even if they don't know, they are very good in thinking things out...and thus neighbors start thinking that this girl is a prostitute....
I know what you mean. Larissa has told me many times not to talk in front of the old ladies by her and her mom's apartment. They sit and gossip and say some ridiculous things about people. She told me that I was a great topic of conversation with the old ladies after my first trip. They were trying to figure out what I was doing with her and why I was in Ukraine. From what I gather being with Larissa is Ukrainians like their privacy very much and do not like their personal lives to become the topic of the door step old ladies.
ID
"No passion when they had sex. So this is russian romance? "
No, this is not. But could be two reasons for that:
1. The girl feels totally indifferent towards you as a man, and if you realize it there is no point to complain about it then, just feel free to go or try to win her oner - as simple as that.
2. "Just because someone doesn't love you the way you want them to, DOESN'T mean they don't love you with all they have". Could be the case as well. And again if it doesn't suit you, feel free to go. What's the point to complain?
I understand all your expenses, tickets (Australia! OMG!), travelling etc; that's why your fruitless trips make you feel doubl frustrated, am I right? But if you (anybody) make a decision to look for a wife in another country there is always extra money involved. The farther you go the more you pay. And nobody knows where you end up: going bankruptcy OR repeating "Yes I do" in a registry office.
Finances is one of the internet affair faults. But this is YOUR choice.
Cheers!
PS. And please, don't be so sad! u break my heart ;)))
Mike, Larissa is completely right:) I myself, though live in this house for a year and a half, don't speak much with old ladies from it, just "hi", and about weather, or anything like that...it is better not to speak about personal things with them:)
You know what, thats really eerie, I've noticed they all love animals, and school. If you be yourself, its like telling the truth, and if you tell the truth, you dont have to have a good memory.
Plateus, not all love animals:) For example, I don't love animals, except for cats:) And I don't like the school, though I enjoy and love the time I spent at the University:)
what about after 2 weeks. what about a girl who has sex with you but still will not kiss. whats your definition of a prositute bacause thats what sex with a girl like that is like. no feeling, no passion. how can any person not want to kiss a person that they want to be with. want to love. I know they exist but they are cold and heartless and see men as a means not as there loving partners. I know she felt nothing for me but it seems she feels nothing for anyone. She never kissed her lastr boyfriend but they had sex all the time. its not normal. if you do not like a man, you do not kiss him but you have sex with him??? she said it was totaly normal with her friends too. I not complain but I say it here so others know about it. thats what this place is for. the average (pretty) russian girl generaly seems cold. the more you talk to them about there past relationships the more i think its true. I would think its lies jsut because they do not like me but I can spot the truth if enough lies are told as there is usualy some truth to all there lies
Gosh ID something has really upset you. Whatever it is I hope you feel better soon. That really is my email address so if you want to talk I would be happy to chat with you. I have known you for a while now and I have not seen you upset like this before. I hope it is just my perception and nothing is really wrong.
ID, I'm sorry for your bad experience...and of course I can't speak for all the girls...and I don't know that girl in general...but everything you told really seams strange...sorry for that...