Forget about the agencys! Go there! Get out of the large city where you can not tell the Bi's, and prostitutes from the real girls. Unless you have nothing to offer physically or mentally, you will meet girls. The good ones still live with mom. The girl will be looking for something you have that she is lacking. This is not a scammer but reality in all women. These women are aware that what they have to offer is youth and a firm body. There are virtually NO 25 year old men doing this! You offer security and an upgraded lifestyle. Again this is not scamming, just the way life is. If you want, put all your money and investments in a family trust with only blood descendants being able to inherit. If at any time you wish to change the trust you can. You have to understand the woman is leaving everything she has known that is security for her. She has to trust you or she will not agree to this. If you do not come across as genuine (i.e. checking out many girls, tracing her email addr and questioning her about this, ect.) then she will see you as you are. Sure going there is a rick monetarily, but so is setting yourself up with a girl from an agency just to find many things are not as they seem. Billo
100% of the Ukrainian women are genuine with the man they really care about
0% of the Ukrainian women are genuine with the man they don't care about. If the man is stupid enough to not know that the woman does not really care about him its his fault (or so they reason).
I have seen a women refuse to take taxi fare from a man she really loves (but who is not really interested in her by the way) and the next day meet another guy and use him to buy her expensive clothes.
0 to 1%, and certainly no higher than that. Sorry for putting another entry up, but after being stood up yet again in Ukraine, its either the computer or hitting the bar again.
Now convinced that it is nearer to the 0 than the 1 though!
There is probably more honesty going around in a Stangeways reunion than over here!
Yorkie....I guess we are having different outcomes. Getting to meet is simple but having it work out is difficult. At least girls seem sincere...no being taken care of.
Did you ever consider you are doing something wrong and change your approach??
There's so many variables to finding a genuine women in Ukraine. The online dating sites are a waste, as are the tours. Ive been to Ukraine twice, the second time for 2 months. My best advise is to just go stay in a backpackers hostel where theres plenty of English speakers to pal around with. Then just pick up on girls in line at the super markets, metros, trains and buses. Stay away from the night clubs unless your in a smaller city. Even then, Id hang out at coffee shops around universities, as students and teachers are more serious. I have been tricked by more then one Ukrainian woman, but it gets less and less as you figure out the culture and how to tell good from bad. It really does get easier to figure out the genuine women. Its not difficult to see the goldiggers in the west because we speak the language and know the culture. Concentrate on learning these 2 things and the % of genuine women goes up.
Yorkie I would suggest sharpening your skills on the home front and then launch again on the FSU women. Youll be more relaxed and confident and more likely successful.
Beemer, Adman. I am always welcome to take advice and open to ideas.
One of my biggest problems seems to be in ladies actually turning up. So whatever my personal skills may lack would be irrelevant. Though I like to think that I am actually a decent bloke when people meet me. Degree educated and I think very good with people, and I am not arrogant in any shape or form, so I am not sure about my people skills needing to be honed. Maybe I am too nice! Believe me I was very relaxed when I came out here and I always am when I get into meeting the ladies. The frustrating thing is no shows or if I do get to meet up a lack of insincerity has been common place.
I have just recently met with one girl who seemed to be very sincere whilst here, so maybe a little of my hope has been rekindled. I have to admit the personality difference between her and previous meetings was very noticeable and I was very, very encouraged. Perhaps I have just been rather poor in "picking" them in the past!
But as I say, any words of wisdom from the wise I will always take on board.
Yorkie Ive never in my life had a girl not show up. Im guessing you must be dealing through the agencies. You must remember its against the agencys interests for you to be successfull. Ditch the agency long before you think about meeting them.
Hello. I'm new to this site but now new to international dating. I even married a russian girl. (now divorced)
I have to agree 100% with the following remarks:
100% of the Ukrainian women are genuine with the man they really care about
0% of the Ukrainian women are genuine with the man they don't care about. If the man is stupid enough to not know that the woman does not really care about him its his fault (or so they reason).
I have seen a women refuse to take taxi fare from a man she really loves (but who is not really interested in her by the way) and the next day meet another guy and use him to buy her expensive clothes.
so how do you know if she is interested in you?
if you ask her for her contact info and she gives a reason why she can't give it to you, she's not that into you.
if you can't hear the excitement in her voice when you call her, she's not that into you.
if she insists won't meet with you in a neutral location and insists on using all the marriage agency services when you travel to meet you, she's probably not that into you.
i joined fiance.com and have found a couple of girls who gave me their contact info. Usually the girls
from the agency would not give me their contact info. either they were not even writing to me or they were not
interested in me.
so to test this, I resent a small intro letter to the girls i had been corresponding with. a natural reply should have been, 'why are you sending me an into letter again?'. But what i got was a reply like they were receiving it for the first time. a logical conclusion would be that marriage agences have figured out a way to manipulate this site just like they have figured out a way to manipulate anastasia and the other websites.
to answer the original post, i would say about 5 to 10% are sincere. and 80% of them are not going through an agency.
"The online dating sites are a waste, as are the tours. Ive been to Ukraine twice, the second time for 2 months...."
Prtpupr: While I can't argue with you regarding the online dating sites (and most of the rest of your post) you take a broad swipe at tours as well. On what do you base that conclusion? I am a veteran on TWO Romance Tours - 3 years apart - and I met wonderful women at both. Became engaged to one I met on the first tour, but it dodn't quite work out (though I don't regret a minute of the time I spent with her). I am now engaged to the wonderful woman I met on the second tour. I will be seeing her for the third time in January.
As an interesting aside - she WAS listed with an agency. And if you had seen her profile - I ma sure that most of you would agree that she is a knock-out. Yet in a year of being l"The online dating sites are a waste, as are the tours. Ive been to Ukraine twice, the second time for 2 months...."
isted with that agency, she said that she only received one contact (and not from me). When she finally succeeded in having her profile taken down, because of our relationship, she inquired as to why she had never, in all that time, gotten any other contact. They informed her that she HAD received a number of letters. her contact information had been sold a number of times. But the AGENCY wrote the responses. And the follow-ups. And the continuing correspondence. She never heard from any of the guys. (I should mention here that she was never listed on fiance.com). I was lucky enough that AFA contacted her agency to find girls to attend the Romance Social. Had it no9t been for that I certainly would NEVER have met her through the agency she chose.
But you talk about spending two months in Ukraine on your second trip. Sounds real nice but how many of us can do that? Imaintain that the Romance Socials are a GREAT alternative.
(This is what the above paragraph was SUPPOSED to say.)
"The online dating sites are a waste, as are the tours. Ive been to Ukraine twice, the second time for 2 months...."
Prtpupr: While I can't argue with you regarding the online dating sites (and most of the rest of your post) you take a broad swipe at tours as well. On what do you base that conclusion? I am a veteran on TWO Romance Tours - 3 years apart - and I met wonderful women at both. Became engaged to one I met on the first tour, but it dodn't quite work out (though I don't regret a minute of the time I spent with her). I am now engaged to the wonderful woman I met on the second tour. I will be seeing her for the third time in January.
As an interesting aside - she WAS listed with an agency. And if you had seen her profile - I ma sure that most of you would agree that she is a knock-out. Yet in a year of being listed with that agency, she said that she only received one contact (and not from me). When she finally succeeded in having her profile taken down, because of our relationship, she inquired as to why she had never, in all that time, gotten any other contact. They informed her that she HAD received a number of letters. her contact information had been sold a number of times. But the AGENCY wrote the responses. And the follow-ups. And the continuing correspondence. She never heard from any of the guys. (I should mention here that she was never listed on fiance.com). I was lucky enough that AFA contacted her agency to find girls to attend the Romance Social. Had it not been for that I certainly would NEVER have met her through the agency she chose.
But you talk about spending two months in Ukraine on your second trip. Sounds real nice but how many of us can do that? Imaintain that the Romance Socials are a GREAT alternative.
I am confused or is it you. My perception of online dating is a site where contact is directly between correspondents. An agency on the other hand has intermediaries. I have had excellent success through online dating and utter contempt for agencies.
I also met this Tatyana who is a real scam artist. Want some justice done for all the good men who had the bad luck to pick up the rotten apples? Do not just moan about it. Do something. Tatyana will continue to scam. Men stand up, and let the law takes it course and we will see it will send the right signal to those who intends to scam.
I went to Moscow on my own. Met a tour group and got invited to a party. There were 19 men and 300 beautiful women showed up. Mostly young but I paired up with a 36 year old Doctor. I was 60. She was wonderful but I let my ego and hard feelings get in the way and started running with other women who were just out for a good time. Had the time of my life but it was a wasted trip because I originally went there to find a life partner. I have been to Ukraine twice since then and I am going back this year. My advice is go to Ukraine with Anastasiaweb on a tour and they will set up 3 parties and there will be 900 women to attend. They have agencys over there also that you can go to and look at pictures and they will arrange a date for you for $50.00. Once you have been spoiled by these women you will forget all about American women. I am 67 now and I still date women 35 to 45.
its a money thing Danny,, whats a bet brutis will live past a hundred and he will have many short relationships, these women will get tired of waiting:) sorry brutus don't take it personal, just having a joke, good on ya mate.
i hope I'm getting up and about when I'm 67, of course with my Russian beauty of 25 years together:)
I just came upon this by chance. Yet, after 3 years of dating a Ukrainian woman and meeting many of her friends, I feel that there is a difference. With the women I have met there is a greater focus on success through marriage rather than an independent sense of accomplishment. Each of the women I met is looking to be supported financially. This is not unusual in and of itself, yet it is the level of this obsession that is disturbing. There is no "together through sickness and health, through good times and bad." The mentality is more, 'if anything goes wrong, I am out the door."
"Each of the women I met is looking to be supported financially. This is not unusual in and of itself, yet it is the level of this obsession that is disturbing. There is no "together through sickness and health, through good times and bad." The mentality is more, 'if anything goes wrong, I am out the door."
I happen to work for the US Postal Service in a position that is fairly hard to describe to an outsider. On our second meeting together my lady asked me if I was the guy who walks around and puts letters in people's mailboxes. I smiled and told her I've never done that sort of things. She immediately told me that that job, or any job or NO job was okay by her. She said she didn't care what I did. She just wanted to be WITH me.
Now THAT is an example of a truly wonderful Ukrainian lady - the kind you can find if you simply look for her.