Just open the yellow pages and search under section "Desperate girls seeking American 41years old man for marrige"
With due all respect Tango, I think the only person who can answer your question is yourself, if you don't know what you want, who will be able to help you? What kind of women you like, will she match you, what do you expect from her? The best way to find out is to meet them and to see if it matches. If you think that Russian or Ukraine women are easier to marry, then you might reconsider. Is easy always the best? There are honest and dishonest people and it does not depend on what country they live in.
Depends on a lot of factors. Try the local sites for local women first. It's not the best but its a lot more realistic.
If you like brunettes and spanish girls... head to Colombia, Peru and Equador (steer cleer from Brazil and Uraquay - most of these are player/prey girls). Colombia girls are well-known for abusing the marriage agencies and trying to get something from gringos.
If you like Caucasian type girls Ukraine is your best option. If you dream of a hot-bikini model just know that 1000's of other guys do too. You are also going to have to be competing with the local good-looking guys that aren't as serious to marry, so this helps.
If your realistic, try for someone who doesn't look like she's on the cover of Maxim magazine and is 23+ yrs old, otherwise your going to be running into the ("I hope he's rich") type girls. So if your interested in a hot-looking 18-21, just know your going to be competing against her own ideals and her friends, family, university degree and her entire life as she has known it.
22 yrs is a magical number in Ukraine, a girl is in her last year of studies and if she's in an agency she knows she either has to get a job or continue her studies.
If your a really good looking 41 yr old guy (In shape, handsome, have a 100k+ yr salary) it is conceivable to land an 18 yr old, but your going to spend a lot of time getting her up to speed on a lot of things. Especially if she doesn't speak your language.
Ok - South American girls (Latinas). I guess its like calling a Ukraine girl a Russian girl. Even though they speak Russian and Latina girls speak Spanish... but I never seen anyone call an American girl English. ;p
apal: "If you like Caucasian type girls Ukraine is your best option" sure! the girls are fantastic. and as it happens, olya has done some modelling. but that isn't even 1% important as how well we get on. and after 2 months living together we've had plenty of ups and downs!
tango: having just come back from kyiv i can just say how fantastic it is and how friendly everyone is compared to here in uk! when we went to visit olya's best friends mum near the black sea, i was basically welcomed as a member of the family! i think the best way to meet girls there is just to go there. i'm really not sure about all these dating sites.
when i am back in kyiv it would be nice to meet some english speaking people again! so anyone feel free to get in touch and i'll buy you some ukrainian white beer!
It used to be Lugansk and Yoshka were ranked #1 and #2 as top scam cities in the early days. I think that's what he means.
I agree that writing is filled with uncertainties. If you really want to do this, write one favorite girl and have a backup plan (alternative girls, social event or tour). Best tactic is if you have a friend who has a girl and just tag along on the next visit to meet her girlfriends and see if there's any connection or immediate interest.
I think the very best girl is someone not even in an agency, because abuse (gifts, dinners, travel, schemes, small scams, etc) from a girl not even interested in the man is unfortunately more common than a successful match is. If she speaks very little but tries she's far better than any very pretty agency girl that doesn't try and makes the agency happy by that language demerit (more money for them and the translator).
Danny> I don't agree 100% but I know what your talking about and see your point. It is sometimes better to go there than to get your hopes up / let down because the girl was insincere in her letters. Yet, I have gotten pretty good at eliminating a lot of girls I'd have probably liked in person by seeing if they're capable of writing a coherent thought on paper. ;) I'm just tired of pretty bimbos with nothing in their head to keep me interested out of the sack. But then again, I don't have the same probs as most guys I think. Mine are worst because I do like writing someone first. ;p
I've noticed how experienced you are, and I ask you an advice.
I look 35' in good shape (though 49'), no russian spoken, and I trust I can reach a 18-21yo girl for serious relationship, marriage. I'll try to find a NOT money-centric lady. I'm in my first trip ever to Ukraine, tkt booked to September 11th, and you suggested smaller cities in one post.
In my opionion, good cities are Nikolaev, Mariupol, Melitopol, Simferpol, Poltava, Sumy, Kherson and Kharkov - lots more desperation there as good paying jobs for local men are very scarce and a girl's prospects of entering the same labor market are even worse. I'd love to go to Poltava because half those women in the agencies there dont get any letters from the major sites. The local agencies have them boxed in to use their proprietary and antiquated Internet agency system that post-dates the pre-dotcom age! ;p
Note: A smaller city doesn't guarrantee she's NOT money-centric - yet it helps a little more. Simply look at her pics and the clothes she's wearing in them. Do not ignore the background if expensive sports cars and/or luxury furniture surround her. It is probable that she dreams to be surrounded by such things - because she chose it to protray herself in her profile to her future mate. Also do not ignore the designer labels on the clothes she is wearing either or the type of jewelry she is posing in.
Age range? It all depends. If you steer clear of the top agency glamour/bikini girl who is bombarded with 12 new men writing her each week, her expectations get more realistic. A modest looking younger girl might not give you a second glance walking down the street, but if you write her first and she gets to know your inner-world and approves, its a completely different story. In these countries, as long as you stay away from the girls with high self-worth and even higher expectations you can do good.
Just treat her with true respect and NEVER EVER offend her - that's death to any FSU relationship. ;p
Don't ever portray yourself as too soft, weak or naieve. Project confidence even if you don't feel it. ;p
If you make a younger girl feel like a princess and she feels safe with you and she's attracted - the age restrictions come off. But then you have to deal with her family and thats an entirely different can of worms. ;p Although it helps tremendously if you have her locked up in a chemical relationship before that threshold is encountered. ;p
If I was 50-55 I'd aim for the 27-35 yr old. Much more mature, they know what their life has been and all the crap they get from local Ukraine men. They realize their future prospects are limited. If your a good guy and let them know it and feel it, you'll do good.
If you aim for the 18-25 yr old range, mutual attraction and commonality of interests are going to be much more important than just security (music, dancing, etc.) in my opinion.
apal1: With all due respect, and no offence intended, there is very little you've written above I can support.
Desperation equals high risk. Small cities do not offer more choices. Quantum numbers attest to that. A woman who canít recover from an offence wonít survive in a new country. Portraying yourself as something you are not is fatal with Russian Women. Placing her on a princess throne is placing a mill stone around your own neck. Age gaps never fade, they are only covered for a while. Make sure she wants you and not the younger model when she is on your turf. Just because she hasnít seen so many choices now, doesnít mean she wonít see them soon after she arrives on your patch. 20 and 30 year age gaps are for dreamers regardless of the age base. Very few work out. If you're (anyone) 50-55 and aim at the 18-25 Y/O group .....................certifiable idiot if not criminally insane are the phrases which springs to mind.
Dun> From your posts you have your "opinion" and I don't agree. Your mentioning a girl is going to take off to find a handsome younger guy speaks volumes.
Desperation? I never said girls from smaller towns are desperate to leave - not ever. "Quantum numbers?" nobody speaks this lingo unless he's trying to win some argument of "I'm smarter than the rest of you and I got the statistical analysis to prove it." ;p
Your observations on age gaps are based on your "opinion". I have met more than one very hot girl who preferred older men. You should get out more often. ;p But since you have a comical avatar, you might speak from your own world of "men who are looks-challenged."
Note: I based my observation on Francisco's avatar. He's not the atypical guy that goes to Ukraine. He can do very well. Because it's a known fact around the world that if your unnattractive, have no style or class and your even 1 month older, let alone 20 yrs older? Forget it! ;p Your not going to have much luck, and I'm sorry for that. But all your stats aren't going to prove anything when it comes to looks and mutual attraction - regardless of age gaps.