I've decided to make this new topic because over the last few days, i informed a person on this site to check me out on the May 2009 tours photos as proof that i was there and how unhappy i was because i realized it was a waste of money. The man asked me where was my photo, as nothing on the May 2009 tours photos could be found. I checked myself and sure enough, the whole May 2009 tour has been removed on purpose.
To see this one and only tour removed by AFA after i had been talking about it just a few days before, shows to the honest and unsuspecting male clients that AFA is covering a mess up that it doesn't want you to see.
I think AFA are covering more up then what has been discussed on here.;))
I always thought after the first time i used AFA there was something very wrong with the company and what it claims to deliver for It's paying male customers. Without you people, AFA would be nothing but it seems AFA will protect It's reputation, It's dishonest agency people and the dishonest women who are enticed to join up and order to make a dollar, NO MATTER WHAT.
What I'm saying by failing to deliver is all the good promises it makes to you, the paying male client, that it is IMBRA compliant, It is US based, It has several offices located in many FSU cities, etc, etc and the fairy tale list goes on and on. All of AFA's promises don't mean a thing if hookers are allowed to enter the invitation-only-socials. If there are women in attendance only because a friend of theirs is at the social and last, if a former male customer cannot place he's personal experiences on a forum, only for these to be removed, then what is really the problem with AFA that it doesn't want you people to read about and make up your own mind on.
For a international dating agency to intentionally remove a tour from It's recent tours photos, then there is something very embarrassing on there that It's trying to hide.
I understand Fiance.com removing the new topic between jetmba and myself BUT i think through all of this, something has been reviled.
I hope this goes through and if it does, i will leave the forum, as i think I've made my point of view been heard. :))))))))))))
AFA promises a lot probably, I think this is what is called marketing, and surelly men are getting hooked on this. I am sure some f them have fun on those socials. many men who go there have never traveled along before, and I am sure many for them have problems with social skill. on those tours they can get hooked up with girls, even hookers:) I guess ladies, hookers in their own city were not that beautiful:)
Yes I deleted that thread only because it became a sequence of crazy posts not on subject. you all killed it.
so, my opinion those tours need to live and exists. Men when they take those tours should realize the reality what they are getting as you described. I am sure many of them are happy with what they got. just my opinion.
Go to the pictures of the April 2007 AFA Tour in Donetsk. You won't see ME specifically (because I didn't give them permission to use my photo) but you will see amny happy people. I was on that tour and I met a beautiful Ukranian woman.
I have to agree with craigsutton. AFA is not a wonderful company at all. I wrote a lady through their website and received a great reply. Then I tried calling her through their website and she did not appear to want to talk with me. Then I contacted another girl. She wrote me that she did not like their translators.
I know there are guys that like going on the tours because they are with other guys. But AFA really does an over the top sales pitch for the socials. In fact, they are extremely reluctant to help you unless you go on a tour. A friend of mine went on one of their tours and he told me, "The socials are not like they used to be. The girls that you really want to meet don't even go to the socials." He was disappointed in the socials. Also, he is not someone lacking social skills or any of the other preconceptions listed earlier.
It DOES also mattr where you go on a Romance Social - meaning that places, especially more out of the way places seem to wear-ot.
I come from a smaller city in Wisconsin - so I have always shunned goint to the biggest cities in the FSU. I never would have considered a tour to St. Petersburg or Moscow or KIev. I figured that these places had "big city girls" who would not be satisfied with living in a smaller town. ANd I think that has helped me to be succesfful.
BUT I've also notices something unusual - both AnastasiaWebTours and AFA were offering tons of tours to Donetsk and Mariupol in previous years. I benefited from these tours as when I went it was still something of a novelty to the women there. And I met a wonderful girl in Mariupol as it was sort of an out of the way place. But I have heard from her since then that Romance Socials have gotten a lousy reputation there recently. You can see why, from the perspective of the girls, this is so. Literally HUNDREDS og girls showed up for the three nights I was there - and the were 18 men in my group. Honestly some of the men were losers (hey, it happens) and obviously with numbers like that MANY beautiful and wonderful girls never even got spoken to (even by the loser guys!) so the the serious women (anyway) become discouraged and begin to bad mouth the Romance Socials. Result - Donetsk and Mariupol become "worn out" and less productive.
I believe that it is for this reason that neither AFA nor Anastasia are even OFFERING Romance Socials to these cities in 2010.
Instead it seems that Kharkov and surrounding smaller cities seem to be the hot fishing places for 2010. Even though Kharkov is actually the second largest Ukraine city (afte Kiev) it is much harder to get to than Kiev is - and doesn't tend to be as saturated by Europeans. FOr not it seems to be the ROmance Social destination of preference as both tour compaies are offering multiple tours to it in 2010.
By the way - numbskull craigsutton moans about the idea that AFA supposedly removed the photos of his Romance Tours (he assumes incredibly that it was because of his complaining on THIS ist) but he fialed to check the VIDEOS on the AFA website.
AFA is now experimenting with videos and but currently offers a complete TWENTY MINUTE video on just ONE Romance Social - thats right, coincidently it happens to be the May 2009 Romance Tour that craigsutton cries so much about.
He should check out the video - I am sure his mug is on it.
I don't vouch for AFA in any regard except their Romance Socials. And the lady I actually met there, while certainly invited, was actually from another agency altogether.
When AFA set up the Romance Social in Mariupol it contacted most of the local agencies and invited girls from all. The translators at the Romancse Social also worked for various local agencies. The Social itself was a cooperative effort among all the agencies.
With all due respect, because of the organised scamming operation that exists in Lugansk I wouldn't single out one particular dating site for hosting Lugansk scammer(s), the "Loo Gangster" scammers are everywhere ..... literally
Loo Gangster....good one" Wished I'd thought of that...
If it is generally accepted that those ladies that attend socials are a collection of local hookers, players and up to no gooders and that these ladies are pooled from local agencies..what does that say about the ladies on the books of the agencies?
The majority ladies at the AFA Romance Social I attended were decent in every way. And they were right from the rolls of all the local agencies.
Its true that occasionally invited ladies bring female friends along. I am glad that they do as my first FSU girlfriend was actually the FRIEND of an invited lady. They traveled from Kishinev Moldova to Odessa Ukraine to attend the Romance Social - and single women just don't travel that far alone in the FSU (and "local hookers" don't travel by bus six hours for a chance to meet a decent husband). The lady I met was not even listed by any agency and she was most certainly NOT a hooker either.
Your odds on getting a hooker are just as good if not better - if you pick a lady from an online profile than if you meet her at a Roamce Social. After all - even hookers need to do something during the day time - why not write YOU letters?
Danny you don't know right from wrong or you wouldn't call women you don't know or have a clue of whores.
You try to playoff the innocent victim when it's you who starts 95% of the crap. With idiotic nonsensical posts to directly insulting people. You're a bust out from the get go.
You went searching for Martin because it was easy and old news. You made claims you know about me? Great show me the money. Gee have you google earthed my houses? I have a pond and a creek on my property.
Ok. I have read a variety of post about foreign bride dating sites being scams.
Guys, lets look at the realities for American men. FIrst if you date an AW, it will be EXCEEDINGLY difficult. The dates will cost money, but beyond that if the amount of money spent (where you take this woman to dinner, etc.) is NOT to her expectations then there is POST date emotional grief. Now, this post date emotional grief will mean nothing to you, if after the date you decide you have no further interests. But God help you if she turns you on. You are in for even MORE MONEY. Next, if you decide to make the AW your girlfriend, well, good luck with that. Because, if she gives you any sex, you are then beholden to her...and the next time you get some, will be either 1) she is so horny she will take what you give or 2) you have fulfilled her expectations....EACH of these options will cost you money. Yet even further, if you decide to marry the woman, well your last night for sex will be your wedding night or unless and until you meet options 1 and 2 above. Now, try and divorce this woman. Well, if you have NOT spent enough money, you will certainly spend more now. Here is the math: She will want you to pay her legal fees, PLUS pay alimony...so now you are being scammed by the soon to be ex and her attorney. On top of this, you must pay your attorney. So you have three scammers on the meal ticket. To add insult to injury, the ex wants HALF of all that you have and Alimony (food stamps) for half the length of the marriage or the REST of her life. Now for added measure, there is little Johnny, who says mommy has a new boyfriend and he wants to take me fishing. So when she is out to dinner with the new guy who do you think is funding the romance. Now, if you are broke and don't have anything, well, it is what it is...I am surprise the marriage lasted any length at all. But if you are gainfully employed, the handsome guy you think you are and getting paid....the outcome is usually obvious. You will be hosed. And the bloggers say the foreign dating site is a scam. Let's explore that.
American dating sites, let you browse photos, but only allow contact when you pay a monthly fee. You decide to join, just to send out a few letters to a couple of hot chicks that kinda turn you on. You get a couple of responses or none at all. But remember you are a mover and groover, so 8 months or so go by or even longer. You are still paying the monthly fee. You finally get a hit or two...but here again it is an AW...and if she is hot like you want her to be, get ready for the above scenario. You agree to meet the chick...and well she is NOTHING like the photos. You are kinda WTF. You are a gentleman so you go to dinner; after all you have been talking for a month or so, right. In the end, you say "what a waist (misspelling intended because your date is actually overweight) of time.
At the foreign dating sites, you get a photo of a GORGEOUS woman, you pay a fee to communicate with the woman....whatever the fee, it is irrelevant. The issue is it costs to talk. You suspect that you are talking to "some guy" pretending to be the woman in the photograph. Then you complain, "it costs me a couple of hundred bucks, etc.,etc." Guys the real issue is you are a man and women cost money. It is our job to mitigate and control cost. I have taken my experience of having been scammed in America overseas, well prepared to clearly recognize the same deal. Women are women no matter where they are from race/culture/looks...they are NOT interested in being your girl simply because you say, "I love you and I am hard working man and I am loyal and a good guy." They do NOT care....what they want is a man that is prepared to fund them emotionally, sexually, financially, and physically. These priorities shift as they age. A smart man recognizes this and dates accordingly. It is never about what you want, but rather what you can provide. So if you are over 25 and broke and NOT gainfully employed....well I suspect the guy will complain about the costs of the girl when it exceeds his abilities. THis gets worse if you are older. I expect to be scammed wherever I go and there are good looking women present. Therefore, I prepare accordingly. Reference foreign babes, this is how I authenticate them on the dating site. One or two letters with key descriptors. I next immediately arrange a phone call. I then make certain that I discuss the key descriptors in the prior email to make sure there is a match. The woman can only discuss what she remembers having emailed to you. I then additional request additional photos that are NOT edited for beauty effects...I then compare them side by side. To send my direct contact information, I send a gift with my direct contact information...and then I look at the time it takes for the woman to communicate with me directly....I then add my costs. 1) emails $40.00; 2) gift $150.00 with personal contact information; 3) phone call with translation service $100 for a total out of pocket direct costs expense of $290.00 plus indirect costs of 10% of direct, i.e., $290 + $29 = $319.00) to completely smoke this woman out. Value received and time saved is PRICESLESS.
In comparing the foreign bride scam to the AW scam above, it is clearly cheaper to be scammed abroad. Your job as a man is to mitigate costs by CONTROLLING expenditures not by paying less for more. Let the woman set her standards, you decide how much it is worth to you and only buy what you want and need. If you are fortunate enough to find a woman that is "into you," great. But the reality is we don't live in a vacuum and if she has any female friends, your party will soon be on jam.
so craigs sutton is complaining they took a 2009 pictures down under the recent tours heading? craig you do realize that was 6 years ago. Maybe they were just being honest. 6 years ago isn't a recent tour