I also congratulate Baron for his success. I believe your more important task is the raising of her (your) kid. Perhaps your manners in this forum reflect your ways of disciplining. As I said before, you are my hero.
I think the same can be said of Mini Cooper. He doesn't have his wife and kid here yet, but his manners in this forum probably indicates his intentions of discipline.
Ralph,, which Chechkov??? The new one from this years' movie is Russian!!! But not the old one: Walter Koenig
Have you told her yet,,,,, that the "original" Klingons, were modeled after the West's perception of Russians???? It is up to you,,,,,,,,, but maybe I wouldn't!?? Or I might! lol
Actually the term Master Plan was coined by another poster in another forum I frequent. When I thought about my planning and correspondence and preparations, it fit the bill.
The consensus opinion is two trips and should be able to find your mate, with hard work on both sides, within about a year. Then the visa process would begin and that adds more time to the relationship formation.
I can say that my wife and I agreed to marry but more important pursue the visa with the knowledge that we still had much to learn about each other but we had the time to do that and that at any time, including after she came here, if either wanted out, we only had to state so and the other would abide with the decision. We never had to to do that but we came very close, because of other stresses, to calling it quits.
I can also say that the spoken I Love You to each other did come much later, as it usually does in "normal" relationships.
Okay, so what if she doesn't speak passable English then what would be the point of having the cell number? Is it just to see if she's willing to pony it up?
okay, okay, okay - I do NOT disagree with baron at all. In fact I believe that if others followed his lead there would be fewer moaning and groaning and many more successes. I just get a little uneasy when it is spoken as a 'master plan'. To me it just depersonalizes the process that's all.
A master plan is going to college for four years, interning and deciding whether to go straight into the masters program or getting a job and working on the masters while you work. And deciding whether or not you want to become a VP or just live comfortably without having to have your pager (blackberry or whatever) turned on 24/7.
A master plan to find a woman should not be deemed as such when dealing with individuals with different personalities and desires etc. (real women). But I do understand the concept.
I agree with Ralph on this one! I like the plan too, but life is about change and diversity. We aren't "cookie cutter" people! I would be afraid if she agreed too easily, many do want us, just to leave their own country!
What if you find someone you like,, but she doesn't have a computer, and doesn't speak very much English? Drop her?? Many times, that might be the best answer,,, but you just might have lost the right one?
I'm in that very situation right now!! I like a girl in Sumy, but I lost some faith in her, when she resisted giving me her phone number!! Her reason, is that she can't speak English,,, and could not understand why I would want her number?? She only gave me her number,,, after I said I would not be coming to meet her!! The trip was canceled! But,,, I started to think about it,,, I would not make the trip just for her anymore,,, but if I could find someone else in her city,, maybe??!! The problem now, is that I can't find anyone else!! I wrote to a few, and I'm being jerked around! They know I had a trip planned,, and they're just doing their agencies' bidding. Natalia, from Sumylove, wants me to buy the "Whole package" transportation, apartment, translation,tour guide, aranging meetings with all three?? I never said anything about meeting 3 women with her??!!!! I told her; I will not stay in an apartment,,, I want the restuarant downstairs, I want the hotel taxi service,, sometimes it is the cheapest??!! No,, we have apartment for you with internet,, restuarant not far away!! BS I went "whole package" once before,,, never again!! It was; Bait and Switch" I paid 699USD two weeks ahead of time,, and the girl vanished for 10 days!! This was in Russia, I needed the visa fast, $180. I think? I did all of that for one woman,,, she showed up for 90 minutes, and spent most of that time talking with the interpreter!! And a nice meal!! I spent the rest of my time getting a tour of Tver' , that I didn't give a rats' a$$ for!! They wanted me to use my time in their city,, meeting other women,,, $50 a head!! I wanted to leave days before my stay was up,,, but their driver was busy!!?? BS!!
baron's plan wouldn't have helped me in Tver',,,, unless it came with a personal jet!!!??? Which is a very good idea!!!! Or,, better yet,,, Transporter technology!!!!
Scotty!!! Beam me the Fxxx out of here!!!! Oh,, and execute Star fleet general order no. one!!!! No,,, I'm not bluffing!!! lol
If you are wondering,, Tver was my first city, during the online error, or ara,,, no maybe error is correct!!??
Guys! Do yourselves a favor and stop wasting money and time on dating sites! I can't believe you haven't been warned a thousand times already... the so-called marriage agencies make money by using "operators" who generate as many emails/webcam minutes/"gifts" as possible. When you pay your penny it gets split between the website, the agency and the girl - she gets the least of course.
Now, is she serious? Of course she isn't! Or do you think all those beauties are bipolar, emailing you sweet nothings saying you're the man of their dreams - and then refusing to talk to you on the phone?
Do you believe when they say they don't have a computer at home? EVERYBODY's got a computer at home!
I can tell you lots more - I've been one of those girls at the other end of your webcam for a little while, and left the agency as soon as I realised that my job would be just that. And before i left i made sure to email all of my pen pals about the Grand Scam! I'm still in touch with some of them - on Facebook and over email - but no bs this time, we're just friends.
I'd be happy to help if you have any questions.
Guys listen to Lisa's advice.
Lisa was a webcam girl but left as soon as she realised she was a webcam girl.
The magazine guy could do an article on that for businessweek.
A new take on the oldest profession.
Lisa,
I believe you because I also knew a girl behind the camera who told many of the things that go on there. If men did their research and listened, these businesses would go away and the real girls would have a chance to find the good men looking for them.
I applaud you Lisa for having the morals to not perpetuate the rip off. And I applaud you more for trying to save the poor souls who do not want to think with the right head.
Tell us more, if you can.
P.S.: I am married already, and learned a lot along the way, thanks to honest girls like you.
I avoid pay-per sites because I simply don't like the idea of a "taxi meter" constantly running.
What I hadn't thought of, until I learned from this forum, is the problem of what analysts call "perverse incentives."
For example, if you buy any goods or services through an agent who (a) significantly advises you, and (b) gets commissions, that agent's incentive is to steer you to the choices that will pay the highest commissions, NOT those that align with your interests.
Clearly, the operator of a pay-per site wants as much fruitless communication as they can arrange, to the extent of paying dozens of ladies to write insincere letters etc.
Neo,,, sorry, I didn't see your question until today.
"Whats the point of asking for her phone number, if you can't speak the same language??"
Simple,,,, just to see if she would give it to you!!!!!???
I knew we could not talk to each other, but I can send text messages to her, and she translates them somehow!? She lets me know she received them through our letters! I know it is not proof of anything,,, but,,, every little bit helps!!
durak, I agree with your Jan 18th post!! Whats in a letter doesn't matter,,,, just as long as someone is making money on it!!! The agencies just don't quit!!!
I have to say that I'm thinking this isn't for me. I've decided to try my hand at some of these dating sites and recently came across a site where I've been able to video chat with a lot of Ukrainian and Russian women. After having chatted with a great many of them I have to say I'm not very impressed. Though a lot of these women are nice looking almost all of them seemed to be too consumed about chasing a dream of material wealth or don't seem to be genuinely interested in pursuing meaningful relationships.
Most of them make you feel like you're wasting their time. They lack patience and are a bit hot tempered. They never ask questions about my personal life, family, or my interests. They always ask me about things that I do/don't have and how much money I make. They always perk up in the conversation when it's about material things but when I try to talk to them about things other then that they seem to lose interest quickly. They love compliments and talking about themselves. You throw them a tiny compliment and they brighten up like a little girl at a Miley Cirus concernt. Then they want to drone on and on about themselves so consumed over the thought that they're just completely awesome.
The sites I've looked at all seem like scams to me. I've checked a couple that were suggested here and some others I found on my own. I don't think I've had a genuine exchange with anyone through any of these sites. When I ask for their personal information such as private email or cell they always have 101 excuses as to why that can't happen. Thus far I don't see the value in the money I'm spending with these sites so I believe I will end up search through these services.
Oddly enough the only place where I was able to correspond honestly with Ukraine and Russian women were from a sex website where they get on cam and take of their clothes. I've been able to talk to a few ladies through that and felt like I was getting very honest communication from them. I had spoken to four ladies indepth and they all told me to not do the online marriage sites because they're all scams because either they've done it themselves or know someone that's doing it. Even more bizzare they were so pleasant and easy to talk to, but they make it clear they're not interested at all in pursuing or getting things from men through the site. Two are admittedly married, one admitted she has a boyfriend she loves dearly, and the other was single but basically said she had no interest at all.
I think that makes sense to me because these girls don't have to lie to men to get their money. Men willingly come to the site and spend gobs of money to see them undress. These girls don't have to lead anyone on, pander, beg, or lie because there's a long line of men just waiting to throw money at them to see some russian skin. And from what I understand some of these girls can make as much as $1500 USD a week doing this as their main job. Anyway I mentioned this because I feel like I was able to solicit honest information from genuine slavic girls that was making the kind of money they wanted on their own.