I came here a couple years ago and other than the usual suspects it seemed mostly positive. I read, listened, made 5 trips to Ukraine and meet a great woman. The moment I saw her I decided I would leave town and go elsewhere in a few days. We had written over 500 emails total in 6 months so I was to spend a few days but she wad clearly out of my league. She was nearly 20 years younger than me. Here sees probably a 8, there perhaps a 6. She is the kindest person I ever meet. We spent 18 days together, met her family, and I asked her to remove her profile. She told me no.
4 months later we met on vacation for 10 days. 3 months later back in the Ukraine for 10 more days. She pulled herprofile, asked her dad for permission to marry her daughter and got engaged. We write or call each other about 6times week.
Now I come here and read finding a mate like this is not possible, but her first Ukrainian husband was 24 years older than her. She had told me she understands the need for a prenup and is totally cool with it.
So where is the disconnect? Is it impossible or not? Is there a giant wake up call coming to me that I missed? Inna, a translator from Sumy (a great lady) says I'm the most suspicious man alive, but after reading here either I'm blind, or people here are out of their minds
Tom Shea: Ukraine is still filled with the most incredible women in the world. The most beautiful, most intelligent, most honest and faithful, and those with the best and most wonderful personalities.
Sadly though - there are a few losers who have gone over, and completely struck out. They need a gathering place, so they come here and complain about agencies, and scammers and they hate with a passion people who don't commiserate with them. They like to make up limits and say stupid things like "If you like to date Ukrainian women, then why aren't you married yet?". As if the answer to that question isn't self evident - because THEN I would have to stop dating Ukrainian women!
Want to upset a kid in a candy store? Just tell him that he has to select ONE candy, for the rest of his life and he can never have any other. I'll settle someday - but it better be for an incredibly fantastic candy.
There is still some enthusiasm here - you just have to get past the pity-parties.
I mean, think of it - there are forums on the internet for everything imaginable from cooking to sports teams. And invariably each writer talks about his enthusiasm for the subject. But in THIS forum if you are too successful - the other writers get jealous and JUMP on you.
It like - imagine a forum for a sports team.
A guy writes in and say "I really like sports-team." Another writes in and says "I once went to a GAME at the STADIUM for sports-team". Another says "I once got an autograph for a PLAYER from sports-tea".
But if suddenly somebody appears and says "Yeah, I go to all the games and I know some of the players. I have been a fan of sports-team for years and I even go watch them play at training camp. I really love sport-tesm". Suddenly other jealous member are writing in (to the very forum that exists ONLY to promote sports-team) "You spend to much time being enthusiastic about sports-team". "You've gone to too many games.". "You're not a fan. They don't even like it when you are in the stadium."
Its bizarre!
Jealousy is a hard thing isn't it Looney and "dumb a"?
Actually if a forum shows much more negativity about the subject, (Russian/Ukrainian woman and agencies) then something is wrong. If its shows a lot of positive responses from its users then something is going right. I never used an agency, but after reading stories all over the net about them I am never going too use them.
@ Jetmba, you were one of the level headed ones here and now you are slowly becoming just like the majority, virtual people are attacking you and now you are going on the defensive with your own negativity and becoming part of the slug match on these posts. And when that happens you do not think when you talk/type. Now you claim to use the agencies as a type of woman candy store for your amusement? The truly successful guys here from what I read to a one are congratulated here, with a few comments of advice but nothing negative that I have seen.
Moyarishka how is a sweet candy though ))) Gotta like the nice ones
blu_craze: I am very positive toward Ukrainian women and the dating experience. I love the experiences I have had and the ladies I have met. I will gladly write about those things and those experiences as much as I can.
I reacted negatively when others here were attacking Danny over some ladies in his life who have passed away. I responded through PMs at first, and I held my tongue publicly. But when one member, who should have known better, chose to involve ME in his attacks, I told him to keep me out of it, publicly.
He used that opportunity to attack me and has been doing it consistently since. I am no longer defending Danny, now I am defending myself.
blu_craze: I NEVER claimed to use the agencies as a type of woman candy store.
In fact, I don't use the agencies at all. I have only set foot in an agency once in the last ten years and that was when a great friend of mine set the whole thing up (long story) in 2010. I had a whole one date with one woman and that was it.
I have no account with any agency. I don't pay per letter. I don't pay for information. I meet women almost exclusively. Rarely do I meet someone (but occasionally) over a free service like mamba.ru.
The ONLY thing agencies ever do for me is to provide MOST of the roster of those invited to Romance Socials. Thats it. (And the best women aren't even those LISTED by the agencies).
You are taking the candy store reference out of context. I was simply using it as axiom to describe why I have not yet settled for ONE woman. It is because there are so many to choose from. It is difficult to limit one's self to one single selection.
Let me explain about the single agency experience I have had.
More than two years ago, after a series of Romance Socials in Nikolaev and Kherson, I wanted to see my ex. I made the trip to Mariupol and had a nice experience seeing her, however not as nice as I would have prefered.
A wonderful friend I met at a Romance Social, who lives in another European country and who eventually married a woman he met at a Romance Social, called me and asked me how things were going. I told him that things were not going so well as I had hoped. He said "Just a minute. Let me make a few calls."
A little while later he called and said "I have just made arrangements with an agency in Mariupol to set you up with two women of your choosing. I told them where you are staying. They will be sending a taxi to pick you up."
Taxi picked me up. I went down to the agency and told them what kind of a lady I was looking for - among other things, I told them I liked thin women who spoke English, they set me up with a fat woman who spoke no English. I only saw her once and declined to be set up with another woman.
Bad agency. But excellent friend I have (When I tried to pay, before the date, the agency refused my money. My FRIEND had paid.)
And THAT has been my only direct experience with an agency in ten years.
Tom, Im not sure why so many strike out but I hear the sob stories from American guys every day.
I think many get caught up into the whole idea and cant separate fantasy from reality.
Some think they are going to "rescue" the girl and be her savior. they dont need to be rescued.
Also, a girl doesnt want to struggle in your country with you because she can do that in her own.
You have to be able to afford to take care of her. she may want to work and contribute but she cant feel
like its mandatory. she will probably want a car, new clothes, to go out, etc. can you afford these things?
some cannot really afford to make the investment into this type of relationship. Coming once or twice a year
and hoping to have a serious relationship or marriage is impossible. in reality, this just doesnt happen.
Just like in your own country you must be able to put in the time to grow the relationship.
If you cant break an agency girl from its communication system, especially after a first meeting then there
is no chance for it to work.
Learn the basics of the language. she isnt going to want to do everything for you for very long.
Some of us are looking for something special, and aren’t concerned about the “cheap thrills” along the way!
Candy is exactly the way Jet sees the girls. If she tastes good, he’ll keep her for a few days, if not,,, spit her out and find a new one. Perhaps,,, Miss Candy B or C???
Sounds like Jet has less of a experience with an agency,,, than smart-a has with romance tours???
“@ Jetmba, you were one of the level headed ones here and now you are slowly becoming just like the majority, virtual people are attacking you and now you are going on the defensive with your own negativity and becoming part of the slug match on these posts. “
Blu,,, No, he’s not one of the level headed members!!!
Do a search for his name in the upper right hand corner and see for yourself!!!
He lurks for opportunities to start a fight.
He has been called one of the worst members many times!!
If you HAVE personality - you use personality to win girls. That where us successful people do it.
If you DON'T have personality (or class) but you DO have a good paying blue-collar job like Looney. Then you save up your money and go to Ukraine and throw as much money as you HAVE at the girls and HOPE that some of it stick, long enough for a girl to give you the time of day. THATS Looney's technique.
Juntmba,,, you are trying to tell everyone, that I don’t have the personality to win over these girls,,, by the way I behave here on the forum. But Juntmba,,, you behave in the same way,,, maybe worse!!! And you have for YEARS!!!!!!
I spoilt ONE girl!
I had heard from several sources, that Slavic women like to TEST their men. Well, I put that to the test, and it’s just agency/website propaganda. I did have a good time during some of it, and I don’t complain too much about the lost money,,, I’m far more hurt over the lies. Whether I spent a lot, or almost nothing,,, it’s been catching them in lies that ended it with ALL of them. (of the ones that showed up)
If money buys a girl,, then that’s a girl I DON’T WANT!!!!
If I learned, that a girl I was interested in,,, went on a vacation with someone who she hadn’t met before,,,, then that’s a girl I DON’T WANT!!!!! For example,,, your girl,,, I have a name for her!!!! (It’s not very nice!)
Jet always says: he’s not going over there to find someone to marry,,, and keeps promoting AFA! So,,, I went to their site for some info. You don’t need to look at the site for very long, to see what type of man they cater to!!
I clicked on the link: How to meet women. Not once did I see the words: marry or marriage!!! What a shock!! Lol
They have a long list of happy testimonials,,,, everybody has a good time,,,, but not too many got married?!!
Every guy needs to decide for himself,,, just what type of man you want to be!!!
I included the links that I skimmed through,,, I encourage everyone to look at them!
Hey,,, check this out,, a 57 year old dud found his virgin!!! And how would he know that,,, unless,,,,,,,,?
http://www.loveme.com/tour/tour96.shtml
“Like a lot of American gentlemen my age, I had trouble finding romance here in the states. I tried just about every matchmaking service there is, but nothing worked. Women under 50 wouldn't give me a second look. Then I heard about AFA and my world changed forever. At age 57, I discovered the fountain of youth in Colombia, a beautiful 24 year old virgin with a heart of gold. I learned Spanish, wrote love songs for her and we spent many wonderful nights together on the beaches of Cartagena”
And when I first got on here many years ago I was considered one of the worste, but then again I was only 22 or 23,..something like that, now I am 32, my how the years go by.
"Sounds like Jet has less of a experience with an agency,,, than smart-a has with romance tours??? "
Its not about "how much experience with agencies or Socials", and its not "a race to see how fast you can get married and who can do it in the fewest visits".
Its CAN you win the heart of a Ukrainian woman?
NOT can you rent her for the night for the most expenisve earrings.
You will NEVER succeedd Looney - because you don't even have a clue as to what success IS!
YOU still think that if you bring wads of cash, and try to impress the women, you will find your ever elusive WIFE. Ben Franklin said "A foo1 and his money are soon psrted." Well Looney proves himself a fool, over and over again.
" At age 57, I discovered the fountain of youth in Colombia, a beautiful 24 year old virgin with a heart of gold. I learned Spanish, wrote love songs for her and we spent many wonderful nights together on the beaches of Cartagena”
now this guy is a sex tourist. of course he believed the virgin part because thats what HE wanted to believe.