Yes, I recall some medium sized, AN-26 or similar, Ukrainian military transport aircraft were shot down along with some rotary wing shooting downs.
I don't believe the separatists had any serviceable aircraft and/or anyone that could fly them.
Nobody has reported Russia having any military aircraft in the area at the time so Ukraine wouldn't have been popping off SAM's nor did it pop off any SAM's.
Somewhat bemusing to refer to them as separatists, more like terrorists!
"Also the most likely plane from the eastern border would be a jet, not some slow moving passenger plane."
I need to correct my previous statement. What I should have said is that planes could fly either westbound or eastbound and could be passenger planes. If it had been a military plane from the eastern region (or Russia) and considered a threat entering Ukraine, the plane would be flying westbound towards you, not in the opposite direction, so you would target westbound (not eastbound) planes.
The cruising speed of a B777 is 560mph, supersonic speed commences at around 767mph.
Any fighter/bomber travelling supersonic over land would break a lot of windows so, realistically, any Russian military aircraft would be travelling at less than 750mph but, most likely, at low level and not at the thirty something thousand feet that MH17 was flying at.
In comparison an AN-26, which they believed they were targeting, cruises at 275mph!
Obviously, the eastbound plane was considered to be a "faster" transport plane trying to send more troops to the front line, so it was targeted just as before. Note that westbound planes were never targeted.
“No officials at the top of the power pyramid think of Russia’s future,” said Gudkov. “Their families live abroad, while they steal millions of state dollars from Russian society.”
International investigators claim there are debris from the crash of a Buk missile. This points the blame to the Russian backed rebels. Russia claims this is an outdated Buk missile that is used by Ukraine and no longer used by Russia.
This is the latest news as told by KNX News Radio in Los Angeles today.
Note that the Trobriand Islanders near Papua New Guinea believe that pregnancy comes from a spirit entering a female body and not from sex. The sex act just opens the entry point for the spirit to enter and "impregnate" the female. Because it takes such a long time for a baby to born, they do not see a direct connection between the sex act and birth.
I don't know about Papua, but in the Visayas in the Philippines (where Martin is), are historically, cannibals. They are no longer cannibals, but push them too far and you might awaken them.
My uncle's late brother was a big shot in the Philippines. He was either Ferdinand Marcos's Attorney General or one of his assistants. I saw a picture with him and Marcos. The story was, he was part of the confiscation of someone's ancestral land as part of the government's redistribution of wealth. He was not only killed. They also ate his private parts. This was not for nutrition or delicacy. It was about turning the tables and victory against a tyrant.
Ferdinand Magellan, the first credited with the circumnavigation of the globe didn't make it home, but his crew did. Magellan was killed in the Philippines by Lapu-Lapu a known cannibal. Not in western history books, but in the stories by word of mouth in the Philippines is, he was eaten.
I am from the north and left Philippines when I was 9. I have been to only 1 of the 7000 islands there. And yes, there are people from the north who are historically cannibals, the Igorots and the Ifugaos. It is not also unfounded to assume that descendants of cannibals have moved to Martin's island if they weren't there already.
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