A slam-dunk, (even if Russians played basketball).
And then a few weeks later, some somber-looking, sorry bastard walks in and says: Sir, we have a problem.
The briefing begins, and the bad news rolls.
It was our stuff. Our missile. Our goons. Commanded by our officers. Yes, we’ve been caught on camera. Yes, there was some clumsiness on social media. No, we have not allowed anyone near the crash site, but we can’t hold it off forever. The men involved are in hiding. Except Strelkov, who has said the plane was full of dead bodies. (He freelanced that one, sir.)
How far does this go, Mr. President? Well, sir — and here the aide might shuffle some papers uncomfortably to avoid noting that the orders came from the very top — we can deny it all, but sooner or later the trail leads back through military intelligence to special channels in the military, to special channels here in the President’s office, to…well, you know…
At this point, Putin and his advisers have to know the game is up, and thus they have resorted to the only time they remember when they felt really competent and in control of events: the Soviet days. And the stupid, dangerous ideas begin to tumble out, the product of panic rather then policy:
Put out the story that Ukraine was responsible. Suggest the plane was off course and thus imply it was doing something nefarious. (Didn’t we work that angle in the 1983 crash?) Pledge our cooperation, but tell those idiots in Donetsk we want the black boxes in Moscow immediately. Don’t talk to the Western press. Send Churkin to take his obligatory ass-whipping from Sam Power…
But most importantly, keep doubling-down on everything.
Make sure the crash site belongs to us and no one else. Obfuscate as much as possible about who was doing what, and where. Suggest the Ukraine military planned this all along. See if you can dig up old stories about that Iranian plane the Americans hit, what was it? Iran 655? Yeah, work that for a while.
None of this will go anywhere. The Russians are busted. To use an American folk saying, they are screwed, chewed, and barbecued. They know it. Someone’s got to go down for this, and there are obvious candidates. The question, as in any Mafia where something’s gone bad, is who rats out whom first. Because sooner or later, all will be known.
Panic in Moscow is hard to spot, but even from 6000 miles away, it’s easy to smell, and the metallic stink of fear is rising off the palace offices of the Russian executive as if from the gurneys in a cancer ward on the morning of an operation.
The only question, really, is how far Putin wants to go toward a trade war, economic collapse, further status as a pariah, maybe even open war, only in order to save face. The conventional wisdom is that he has to cut the insurgency loose.
Maybe. But if he doesn’t want to, he may settle for leaving a grinding conflict in place for now, in which he will claim that any real investigation and closure is impossible. He can then place his hopes in the West’s short attention span, and wait until all this blows over.
That would all work if it were 1975. But it’s not. I suspect the investigation, the tick-tock of the moments before the BUK fire, are already clear enough and widely distributed enough that we have the complete case against the “separatists” with a bill of particulars that stretches right to the rug in front of Putin’s desk.
And he knows it, and he knows that we know it. And until he finds a way to square this circle, panic – and more death – will be the order of the day. I wish I had good advice for him to extricate himself. But there isn’t any, and it would not be mine to give even if there were.”
Map Shows Airplanes Getting The Heck Out Of Ukrainian Airspace
“On a normal travel day, the airspace over Ukraine is some of the most congested in the world. It serves as a major cross roads for flights connecting major hubs in Europe with megacities in Asia.
However, after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was reportedly shot down earlier today, most of the world's major airlines have ordered their planes to avoid the area completely.
The above map, which was tweeted by Newsweek, shows Ukranian airspace a few hours after MH17 lost contact with radar.
Two of Europe's largest airlines, Lufthansa and British Airways, have both told Business Insider that they have ordered their planes away from the disputed region.
To avoid the Russian-Ukraine conflict altogether, Lufthansa has specifically ordered their planes to take a southerly route over Romania. “
SEE ALSO: LEAKS: SEPARATISTS DISCUSS SHOOTING DOWN CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT IN EAST UKRAINE
Did Putin Blow Up the Whole Polish Government in 2010? A Second Look
“A plane crash at Smolensk in Russia four years ago wiped out the Warsaw leadership. It used to be seen as an accident. Now, after Putin’s games in Ukraine, people aren’t so sure.
Four years ago this week, Polish President Lech Kaczynski was killed in a plane crash near the Katyn Forest in Russia where he was flying to honor the 22,000 Polish officers, lawyers, priests and professors slaughtered there by the Soviets 70 years before. Ninety-five other military, political and public figures including his wife died on that plane. One of the more heartbreaking details to emerge was that First Lady Maria Kaczynska’s body could be identified only by her nail polish and the inscription inside her wedding ring.
Less than two years before the crash the late president had given a speech warning that if Russian aggression was not stopped in Georgia, which Russia had invaded, it would extend to Ukraine, the Baltics, and possibly Poland as well. “We are here to take up the fight,” he said. And many Poles still believe that their president died in the cause of that effort. Physicist Kazimierz Nowaczyk is one of them.
On April 10, 2010 at 10:41 a.m. Polish Air Force Flight 101 crashed several hundred meters short of the Smolensk runway in dense fog. Within hours the Russian government issued a statement citing the incident on pilot error. Russia’s final report on the incident blamed the late President Kaczyñski and his “inebriated” air force commander-in-chief for using “psychological pressure” to force the Polish pilots to land in a low-visibility environment.
The plane’s black boxes, laptops, sensitive documents, mobile phones, address books, telephone numbers, correspondence, and the top-secret military, NATO and diplomatic codes on board were salvaged from crash site immediately by the Kremlin’s operatives in what was a “coup for Russia’s intelligence service” according to retired CIA analyst Gene Poteat. What Nowaczyk calls “years worth of work for security services” was completed in a single day by Russia’s OMON Special Purpose Police, which were immediately deployed to the site.
The airplane was a 20-year-old Russian Tupolev-154M that had been refurbished and upgraded in Russia four months before, a detail that has become the subject of considerable speculation on the many forums and groups dedicated to investigating the conspiracy theory surrounding the flight.
According to Poteat, “Forty minutes before the crash, a Russian YAK-40 airplane with 40 people on board landed safely. Twenty minutes before the crash a Russian AWAC airplane did a touch-and-go at the airport then flew on to Moscow.”
In an interview with The Daily Beast, Nowaczyk describes the findings of an independent Polish parliamentary committee investigating the crash of which he is a member. The group consists of scientists from various backgrounds and relies only on “scientific tools” in its investigation, he said. But the committee was formed by Polish parliamentary factions, such as that of the late president’s brother, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who have not found the official Polish-Russian report on the incident satisfactory.
The plane’s black boxes, laptops, sensitive documents, mobile phones, address books, telephone numbers, correspondence, and the top-secret military, NATO and diplomatic codes on board were salvaged by the Russians.
“From our point of view this report was full of mistakes,” Nowaczyk explains, citing various inconsistencies and contradictions in the official narrative. A key issue raised by Nowaczyk’s committee and the many online forums dedicated to the crash is that the amount of debris found at the site—an estimated 60,000 aircraft fragments—would be impossible in the case of a simple plane crash. He cites the 1988 Lockerbie bombing and the 1996 TWA 800 flight out of New York, both of which exploded in the air but had only 11,000 aircraft fragments and 3,168 fragments respectively. Both planes were reconstructed to 95 percent completion. Nowaczyk believes that an explosion caused the fragmentation of the Polish president’s plane. In the official report the plane’s black boxes indicate that the aircraft’s electricity was cut two to three seconds before the crash, which Nowaczyk believes also was caused by that explosion.
Like many of those pursuing these theories Nowaczyk personally knew four people who died in the crash, including the late president. The Polish physicist’s voice grows faint, almost pleading, “I simply want to know the truth.”
Earlier this week—on April 8, 2014—Polskie Radio reported that the Polish District Military Prosecutor in Warsaw, Colonel Ireneusz Szelag, presented 1,300 pages of documentation, in advance of the four-year anniversary, ruling out “any possibility that an explosion occurred aboard the Polish presidential plane that crashed in Smolensk on 10 April 2010.” The prosecutor stated, “After analysing 700 samples, experts found no traces that an explosion had taken place aboard the Tu-154 plane… The experts had unimpeded access to the site of the catastrophe, and to the place where the wreck of the plane is being stored.” The prosecutor stated that the investigation would be closed next year, even if the aircraft’s wreckage is not returned to Poland.
That is not likely to calm the roiling tide of speculation about a conspiracy, especially in light of Putin’s recent actions in Ukraine. Already last year nearly one third of the Polish population believed there was a possibility that their president had been assassinated. The number is unusually high for a conspiracy theory, suggesting just how fearful Poland is about Russian intentions.
But it is increasingly hard to separate the forensic aspects of the case from the inten
UK's Prince Harry is/was an Apache pilot, he doesn't give a sh1t, he's loved his tours in Afghanistan because he can wander around chatting with the local villagers and none of them realise who the fock he is :)
What gives one the impression that I am the lover of any Americans?
This situation, besides one lost national, has got diddly squat to do with USA, it's the Dutch, the Malaysians, the Australians, British, Germans etc. that are or will be demanding answers and I very much doubt they'll be watching youtube videos to establish those answers!
2. The "minister of defense" of the "republic of Donetsk" -- Igor Girkin, a Russian citizen! -- announced on social media that his forces shot down a Ukrainian transport plane within a few minutes of the time flight MH17 was destroyed. Though the "tweet" was deleted when the rebels realized that the plane was a civilian airliner, I have heard nobody dispute that it was posted: the whole world had the chance to read it.
A senior US official has confirmed that the most likely explanation for the MH17 disaster is that it was shot down by mistake.
The official said the US had no evidence that the Russian Government was directly involved with shooting the plane down, the Associated Press reports.
He reiterated the US theory that the passenger jet was most likely brought down by a surface-to-air missile fired by pro-Russian revels in eastern Ukraine.
Martin: Don't let anyone back you up with implications. I didn't even read what prompted your response. Signify with thoughtfulness and not negative inference. You know history and where world justice and standing the line begins in times past and today. "Custom Is The Plague Of Wise Men And The Idol Of Fools"
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Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity
finger-pointers is that: RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST : IFX ... release these Did Russia release these purported photos of Ukraine military personal deploying Buk ... (with English translation). Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles ...
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US Government Releases Alleged Evidence Of MH17 Missile Trajectory
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/key-piece-video-%E2%80%9Cevidence% E2%80%9D-russian-responsibility-malaysian-plane-shootdown-debunked Somebody remind me again Somebody remind me again which miniscule cultural subset ... http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/21/mh-17-beware-of-the-chameleon.h tml When Barbara Starr is the mouthpiece assigned to deliver this 'evidence' to the world, rest ... said they had no BUK. And Russia said the East Ukrainians had no BUK. Everyone has completely ...
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The Final Moments Of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side Of The Story
"proof" that Russian separatists had launched the Buk missile which allegedly took down flight MH-17; we ... COMMUNICATION, very telling. 2.) Malay News has reported that UKRAINE ATC ( ZIO-NEO-NAZI-CON ) forced ... http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civi... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/17/putin-moves-quickly-to-c... ...
Story - Tyler Durden - 07/18/2014 - 22:53 - 654 comments - 0 attachments
Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?
say, that Ukraine has Buk systems. And this gets even more weight, since the Ukrainian government ... http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-pa... No Dukes, not even Patty No Dukes, not even Patty Duke, just the ... http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/07/17/the-sun-has-gone-quietsolar-cycle... Maybe it iwas just a bad time to fall asleep at the wheel. @ Cacete de Ouro ...
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"Behind The Kiev Snipers It Was Somebody From The New Coalition" - A Stunning New Leak Released
rose to power. Is it any wonder then that Russia has responded the way it has? As for at least ... http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/3/1_Dr._Paul_Craig _Roberts.html He didn't say it was snipers, but he stated quite clearly that the RIGHT WING THUGS took ... was similar to what happened in ukraine. The latest events are just airing all the dirt of russia US ...
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Russian Troops Storm Ukraine Air Force Base In Crimea, Reuters Confirms
. http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/03/07/crimea-... I bet I can guess his theories regarding the founding of an ethnarchy by immigrant armed ... roll over. Is not as funny as Soviet Russia joke because is Ukraine. Ukrainian Colonel says ... Simon Shuster (@shustry) March 7, 2014 Ukraine air force Colonel tells to TIME that ...
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Two Russian Warships Enter Black Sea Through Bosphorus; Another Docks In Cuba
to annex all of Ukraine into Russia. Why stop at half, NATO has no plans... Bases on foriegn soil ... Ukraine can't do anything to Russia. Russia has no pressing need to do anything to Ukraine. Time is on ... Russia may be awaiting a diplomatic resolution of the Ukraine crisis, but we wouldn't hold our ...
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EU is hesitating on severe financial sanctions. The US don't want to go alone. The opportunity to break the Soviet Federation is now. What are WE waiting for? Gas imports from Russia ? Why worry my fellows EU! North America and the rest of the free world will come to the rescue like in WWI and WWII.
I'm long past the days of idiots behind keyboards getting my back up ... Just because it's as plain as day that the Russian (Putin) supplied and supported terrorists bought down MH17 killing 298 in the process doesn't make me a supporter, fan, or lover of USA and/or Americans.
Nothing again USA etc., it's as obvious as day what took place with MH17, just I don't need to refer to USA or the White House to realise it.
PILOTS HEARD UKRAINIAN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ORDER MH17 TO CHANGE ROUTE
Pilots on board an Air India Dreamliner which was flying just 90 seconds behind Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 say they heard Ukrainian air traffic control give the order for the doomed plane to change route minutes before MH17 was shot down by a missile.
According to a report in the Times of India, “Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots…. heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called “a direct routing”. This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based navigation aid or way point to another.”
The AI Dreamliner was less than 25km away from MH17 when it was shot down, a flying distance of just 90 seconds.
Ukraine ATC subsequently asked the Dreamliner pilots to try and make contact with MH17 when it disappeared from radar, but to no avail.
India’s civil aviation industry denied that the Dreamliner was in the region when the incident occurred, although flight tracking data shows it was in the vicinity.
The news arrives as Russia accused Kiev of tampering with air traffic control data in order to sway the outcome of the investigation into what happened to MH17.
“According to reports that emerge, Ukrainian authorities are conducting certain covert activities involving data storage equipment and employees of Ukrainian air traffic control services, both civilian and military, without notifying international organizations,” spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement.
As we reported yesterday, the question of why Ukrainian authorities have refused to release transcripts of air traffic control conversations with pilots of the doomed airliner continues to swirl almost a week after the incident. In comparison, air traffic control transcripts involving Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which went missing in March, were released publicly within 72 hours.
Almost immediately after MH17 was shot down, “Ukraine’s SBU security service…. confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner,” reported BBC News.
Information obtained from the recordings could determine the veracity of Russia’s claim that MH17 was being closely followed by at least one Ukrainian fighter jet in the minutes before its demise.
Questions have abounded as to why flight MH17 pilots were re-routed to overfly eastern Ukraine when most other major airlines have avoided the airspace for months. Data shows that MH17′s previous ten flight paths before the shoot down avoided eastern Ukraine entirely.
In another development, Kiev claims that two Ukrainian fighter jets were shot down today by missiles fired from Russian territory. In an apparent contradiction to Kiev’s own narrative on MH17, Ukrainian security spokesman Col. Andriy Lysenko said that rebels did not have access to missiles that could reach 17,000 feet, despite the fact that MH17 was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was shot down.
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