The good news is that Putins Russia may lose the world cup
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/sepp-blatter/11647458/Sepp-Blatte r-resigns-Smoking-gun-at-head-of-Fifa-puts-Russia-2018-and-Qatar-2022-World-Cups -in-jeopardy.html
firstly, out dating "process" was over the coarse of about 2.5 year via ICQ chat most every day before we ever met in person, so yes, we talked about everything you mentioned without limitations. Music, politics, clothes etc etc, anything that came to mind at the moment. We actually ask each other some pretty hard questions and she knew about my failed marriage to a Russian girl. I have never sidestepped anything with my wife nor she with me I believe. When we finally met it was just a matter of each of us seeing if the other person was who with thought they were, and lucky for us we both were and we quickly because as at ease with each other in person as were were talking on the internet. She had good english already though if you ask her she always though her english was bad. She learnt english after a trip to Scotland when she was 13 for her dads work and as an adult used it in her work so it was far better than she thought. We of coarse discuss budget but she is sensible with her money as she got a job after being here about 3 months. Now she earns slightly more than me if I work a standard week so of coarse she gets a say in what we do with out money. She is working for our family and future, not for her desire for jewelry as a lot of FSU girls who thing marrying a foreigner is a free ticket to the high life. I would not call my wife a typical Ukrainian girl but I am sure there are others like her, but I only need this one.
I have not used ICQ for over a decade. I used IM a lot back when I first got on the internet and chat rooms. But I completely stopped doing that. The range of text message topics from the profiles here on this site varies a lot. That is good that you found someone who is practical and has found good work since she emigrated from her country. I do think it is right to stereotype certain people in a region because not everyone fits that particular image. That is good that you found someone who knew some English. But knowing English should not be an absolute criteria for selecting a date. There are foreign women who came into this country not knowing any English and became good wives.
I understand you may not think its right to stereotype certain people in regions because it does not fit everyone, but I did say I am sure there are others out there. I have a lot of stories as to why I say typical FSU women, but that's my experience. I started using ICQ 10 years ago because I girl I met in Ukraine (as a friend as she done some translating for me) asked me to get on ICQ to keep in touch. She was not a typical Ukrainian girl either, but another translator I used on that same trip was. Typical to me concerns dress, makeup, general style and attitude, for a lot of girls it means most men are stupid. You can here this in there tone or the way they think you are easily manipulated. So the first girl was very down to earth, wore little makeup if any, dressed comfortably and casually and had her own opinion of things. The second basically like herself way to much (as a lot of girls there do), dressed over the top, makeup over the top just to get milk so to speak, and was set in her little ways about certain things that logic could not be applied to from my prospective. The first girl lived in the Donetsk region by the way and I have not been able to contact her since all the trouble began. I am hoping she went to here cousins house in St Petersburg, anyway, that off topic.
Point is, I have met, even if only for 1 hr, lots of girls on my trips. Most fit a typical mold as I met them one way or another though this site, though once I used another site. Most girl actively looking on sites such as these are a certain type, the few who are not are hard to find but sure, they are here, I hope most of you here find such girls here. Most seem very obsessed with how much money I have. Now sure, they want to know as they expect a better life, but most, not all, but a lot seemed to be wanting good things, like a lexus as one girl told me, why cant I have it in such a country as yours? To which I said, well when you make enough money you can buy whatever you like I guess. Back when I was searching, 8 out of 10 girls had a high educations in economics, though very few of them worked in the field because mostly they go to university to meet men who are studying something that can make enough money to support them, uni is a meeting place for most girl there. Now you (or anyone else) can shout me down all you like, but lots of girls there (or from there) have told me this. My wife studied in uni with only one other girl in her classes, the rest were boys. She also worked while she studied.
Also, you say that english is not that important, but again, my personal experience has to disagree with you, though you are of coarse free to follow your own path as we all are. Any girl I have had a reasonably good time with spoke english. The other were full of misunderstanding and mistranslations. One time a girl said she liked me, I said, I like you too, which was translated to I love you, so basically I looked like a weirdo. You never know how good your words are being translated. So You cant get to know anything about a girl through a translator, so you need someone with functional english at least, or you learn Russian. Also, I have met a lot of FSU girls here at home since I was married and a lot of girls have been here 10 even 20 years, still have not much better than functional english, have no drivers licence so there husbands have to drive them everywhere, no work because of english (I know one girl who has pretty good work experience and wants to work but has barely functional englsih so no work) and basically still culturally live in Russia or wherever.
Every guy on this site will have his own ideas of how it will work out for them, and every girl on this site is an individual person and I wish every guy here luck in finding a nice girl. But the truth is, for every success story, there are 100 failed stories. There is also the other side of the coin where guys are way too picky for there credentials and end up looking for years and get no where. We all have to take a bit of a chance at the end of the day. I myself am not bitter about my bad experiences, because they happened on a road that led me to the place I am now. After all, we are all the sum of our experiences, mine are mine, they may not add up for you.
A large number of profiles (whether genuine or faked) often include rosy descriptions of a perfect couple enjoying life doing everything under the sun. There are many women who will try to take advantage of an "affection starved" male. If the dating scene dried up, I wonder what these women will do to occupy their time?
Most foreign women that I have been introduced to often had jobs or in studies at their home country. I can say that being on the dating sites for over a year, no one has asked about my job and salary information. None have talked about future possessions to me, other than children. There are a few who hope to get work in their current job sector or their hobbies. I have only come across a few accoutants on the dating sites. Most of them do other type of work like dressmaker, cosmetic sales, fitness trainer. I think several of them are unemployed. Having never been in a classroom there, I cannot agree or disagree about the ratio of women to men in their classrooms. Or whether a "party mentality" pervades the campuses.
Regarding familiarity with English. Obviously, learning it (or already knowing it) is a HUGE step forward for the lady in English speaking countries. Without it, you are at a big disadvantage in this country. I have relatives who know very little English (having been immigrants to this country at a late age in life). Communication is a key factor in a relationship. Not being to communicate properly can often lead of mistakes and misunderstandings. Don't get me wrong. A lady knowing English makes it much easier to get acquainted with. But, I do know of one situation of a cousin of mine who knew a female friend overseas who knew no English. She became friends with an American male here (my cousin was already married) and introduced him to her friend (most likely as a matchmaker role) and the guy traveled to meet the lady overseas and they got married. The guy had very little knowledge of the lady's native language, but he was able to get to know her through some of her friends who knew English. She later came to the country on a Fiancee visa and they were married here. From what I was last told about her, she is learning English and got a job and a driver's license.
Regarding the odds, I agree with you 100%. Odds of success is very slim. Often chance and timing play a big part of whehter you succeed or not. I do not know if my timing will be off or not. But, in my case, I do not have the time to keep looking since I have gone past my "prime" years and am on a downhill trajectory. The difficult experiences in life are part of the journey (and I have had quite a few recent ones). Just minimize those that are lethal or put you in the "poor house".
"People just don't like inequality in their relationships," Munsch said. "When I think about my own dating history, I'm not really interested in dating somebody who's much better looking or much worse looking, somebody who's much more successful or much less successful."
"We've heard a lot of rhetoric of late about family values and the traditional breadwinner-homemaker model," she said. "Actually, these relationships are more stable when both people are bringing in income."
"Back when I was searching, 8 out of 10 girls had a high educations in economics, though very few of them worked in the field because mostly they go to university to meet men who are studying something that can make enough money to support them, uni is a meeting place for most girl there. Now you (or anyone else) can shout me down all you like, but lots of girls there (or from there) have told me this. "
Hahaha so not true!!!!
1. Everybody goes to univercity to get a diploma, cos our parents told us we should, cos that's how we used to. It's a soviet tradition - everyone should go to univercity.
2. In economic univercities there are like 20 girls to 1 boy!!!!
I got to educational univercity, my major was English language and literature. There were 87 girls and 3 boys :)
I ran away from there to a technical univercity, there were 10 guys and just me girl in my group :) that was better :)
But i already had a husband and i didn't need to look for one more :) it's just easier to talk to guys than girls.
If you really think success is based on chance and timing, wouldn't it make sense to meet as many women as possible? Each meeting is another chance. It's like the infinite monkeys principle. If you sit an infinite number of monkeys at a key board, one of them will type the constitution. If you meet enough women chance and timings and personalities will be right.
"If you really think success is based on chance and timing, wouldn't it make sense to meet as many women as possible?"
Yes, I would agree. However, didn't someone say that the definition of insanity is repeating something over and over again and still getting the same outcome? I could keep applying to get into medical school every year, but if I got accepted at 90, does that really do me any good? The "timing" of when you succeed is important, IMHO.
"Didn't someone say that the definition of insanity is repeating something over and over again and still getting the same outcome?"
The actual quote is:
"The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result."
I have always had trouble with that quote. First of all, Einstein probably didn't say it. I looked it up. Second of all, it needs further explanation.
This quote is is used by many to tell others to quit what they are doing because they are insane.
But almost every time you do something, there is a different result. Open the front door ten times and sometimes, you get sunshine, sometimes rain, sometimes darkness, sometimes light.... In the case of dating in Ukraine, you will date a different girl each time, I would imagine. Even if it is the same girl, it is not. She is one year older or so.
The only time things will be different is if all other factors are the same and that's almost impossible to achieve. The quote only makes sense if the author is illustrating the wisdom of insanity. Edison problem with the light bulb is oxygen causes combustion and burns the filament. He must have tried hundreds or thousands of filaments, all different.
Yet, he was a success. Was he doing the same thing each time? Yes, but with different factors involved. The doing something over and over again is probably the insane part. A different result is a given.
The fact is that it took me 2 years to meet a woman so wonderful that i could never have dreamed of her. This is not hard. It is hard for the insincere. It is hard for those who can't learn from experience. If you are an open person, come for interaction how ever they come, and are clear Apr what you need, looking back it could easily be done in 6 to 9 months to be filling out paper work to get your fiance here. I met one guy he says he's been to ukraine 4 times. I asked him how things were going. He said his 4 troops were spread over 17 years! !!!!. He continued that he had been engaged 3 times and was currently engaged. He was 56 and she was 21. They were engaged but he had never been over to meet her! If you male one trip over and fail, you should be able to reflect on your time in country and identify what you did wrong. To be completely honest I exchanged 437 letters with my now wife in 6 months and was in love with her before i ever got on the plane to go see her. I already knew she was perfect. Meeting a woman you can't even imagine is simple. Don't be a dick (which means about 1/3rd of members here will fail) you do your pre work and there's no reason anyone should waste more than 1 year finding the woman of your dreams.
Engagements can be broken. People in third world countries have been engaged without meeting. It happened between my mother and father. Matchmakers act as proxy between families looking to join two people. Back from the previous century, there were marriages that were done without much dating or interaction between two people. Even in America back in the Old West, some women traveled out West to meet their grooms without having dated them. In many "primitive" cultures now, there is little use of the concept of dating. Even in European royal families over the centuries, marriages were arranged.