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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > What can I do to help? Author Post scammed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2014 8:22:49 PM   Gentlemen, I just wanted to add my two cents here. I have read through some of the threads. Most of you guys seem pretty knowledgeable. I have to confess that I was totally naive four years ago. A professional dater outsmarted and got me for about $3000 for supposed english lessons. I am pretty sure the agency just compensated her for the money they pocketed. It was 1st International, of course. Probably the number one rip off site in the industry. I also put my faith in her. In the end, she did was scammers always do. So I thought I would share a little of my experience and spread the word about the sites I have been at. Let's start off with a fun little site, find-bride.com. :) They are basically robbing the men there blind. I wish there was a way to inform men at the site that more than likely they are corresponding with women who are happily married with children. Or at least women with boyfriends. The biggest problem is not that the women there are scammers, it is that there s basically no way to verify if they are or not with the system that is in place. It is a pay by letter site. You know the kind. With a heavy focus on chatting. So the women stay anonymous and the men pay the money. Here are excerpts of an interesting conversation I had with their support department: My first email; I was contacted by Olga, id# 13445. She is happily married with a child. Again, I just want to know. Are the profiles on this site fake? Are some fake and not others? Help me out, please. Their response; Sir, I have re-directed your mail to a local agency manager of lady 13445 but it seems to me that you are talking about2 different ladies. I know Olga registered on our site personally and it's not her. Anyway, we will check your information. Kind regards, Olenka Dervisheva dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2014 9:27:47 PM   Many of the dating sites are just posting profiles of ladies connected to other agencies. So the overall scheme is like a gigantic octopus with links between different companies. Every site will say that they have no iron clad guarantee of the seriousness of the people on the site and it is a YMMV situation. Unless you have some kind of "big brother" or police state, it is virtually impossible to determine the status of any person. Maybe hire a local investigator who will try to determine the identity of that person in question? All of the sites will have disclaimers that will insulate them from angry customers. They all say that they are anti-scam, but that only means what they can manage on the site (which many times does not amount to much). I am trying out a pay per letter site. I told them from the very beginning, that if they insist on just continuing communicating on the site exclusively, I will not linger on there and just stop. As for English lessons, I say either learn it online, use a software translator, or wait until you immigrate so that I can enroll you in ESOL classes here in my country. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2014 9:44:45 PM   It is up to each individual to put their best foot forward. While it is the men that pay for posting, it is up to the ladies to learn a foreign language, limit themselves to like speaking men or the agencies have their own classes. Never pay for someone else's expectation of advancing their marketability. scammed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2014 10:36:57 PM   But that not the issue. In most traditional dating sites, not necessarily mail order, you simply pay a monthly fee. It is up to you to feel out that person for being a scammer or not. Here that choice is taken away from you. You are talking with a "cloud". You have no way to knowing anything about the woman. In fact, that is prohibited. There is no exchanging of personal information, for their safety, which of course is ludicrous. When the site and the scammers unite into one entity it leaves no chance for the men involved. I just want to spread the word. I was not "scammed" at this site. But after I visited find-bride I saw how insidious this garbage was. If I can just raise awareness enough, some of the men there may hear about it and check to see if they are talking to married women or ones that are engaged to be married. Let's look at more of this conversation; Okay. Maybe I am mistaken. But these two pictures are exactly the same. Maybe the Olga are your site thought it would be okay to cut and paste pictures from this person's VK profile. But this picture on VK. http://cs5697.vk.me/u3690730/141480081/x_f7855400.jpg' image View on cs5697.vk.me Preview by Yahoo Is the same as the picture on your website for profile #13445. http://find-bride.com/photo/full/brides68/1342104814hpgu.jpg image View on find-bride.com Preview by Yahoo Or maybe we can try these two pictures. http://cs9492.vk.me/u127956455/144976814/x_6bf842ca.jpg image View on cs9492.vk.me Preview by Yahoo http://find-bride.com/photo/full/brides68/1342102241hpch.jpg image View on find-bride.com Preview by Yahoo Her vk profile is; Birthday: Hometown:Донецк-& #1057;имферополь Relationship status:Married to R@sl@n D@rv@h@v Studied at:ТНУ им. В. И. Вернадского '06 Languages:Русский Parents :Lyv B Siblings:Savely Kup Children:Ер, 1 year So which is it? Does she look totally different and thought this woman would represent her better? Does she really have a child? Is she really married? I can't tell you how distressing this is. Their response; Sir, I have re-directed your mail to a local agency manager of lady 13445 but it seems to me that you are talking about2 different ladies. I know Olga registered on our site personally and it's not her. Anyway, we will check your information. Kind regards, RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2014 11:48:12 PM   By definition, if you pay for something and receive something else or nothing at all, you have been scammed. I and my lady were being scammed by the person she listed with, however we were both serious and found our way through it and that person did not get what she had expected or even what I feel would be equitable. My lady is still angry, wants nothing to do with her, however I am not so inclined. I tell my lady, regardless of how she tried to conduct business, we found our way and without her assistance, we would not have met. What many believe to be a scam, taxi, accommodations, translator/escort, are the means that an agent receives compensation. Only an idiot would expect a business to operate without compensation. The other side of the coin is that the historic "Commie" attitude the negativity to being a "Capitalist" makes these agencies try to hide the obvious and do things that just piss people off by conducting business in a duplicitous manner. My side of the coin, being scammed on my first try with another agency, excluded my use of her services. The forgoing has reminded me that I need to do a favor to my ladies former agent. Still what is right is right and I have to pay in some form. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2014 2:23:21 AM   Part of the "protection" for the ladies is based on the IMBRA law passed here in the USA several years ago. It was meant to stop human trafficking. But, many sites use it as a "barrier" to prevent the two correspondents from getting closer to each other by forcing the communication to proceed only through the site making them a lot of money. I remember when I first started dating online it was very different. I gave my mailing address, phone number, and email address to every lady who I was serious with. A few of them mailed me birthday card greetings, gift packages, and called to me internationally. It was a pretty open form of communication. Of course, even back them there were fraudsters too. The sites that prevent you from connecting directly should be looked upon with suspicion. As has been mentioned so many times, there are professional letter writers, fake profiles, and time wasters. Many have admitted to this inside the FSU countries. But even those that are not pay per letter sites, also have their share of scammers. I just went to local dating agency that charges a monthly fee to join. I saw some of the profiles there and my reaction is "I would not be caught dead in an alley with this person". WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2014 5:01:52 AM   Hi 'scammed' Here is the connection between dating sites and VK (or Facebook) 1- The photos in the dating site were stolen from VK by a scammer, or: 2- The girl in the dating site is the same as the one in VK but the latter shows who she really is when she posts pictures with her boyfriend/husband, her true occupation, age, location etc. or: 3- The girl in the dating site is genuine and she also has her VK account where what she posts does not contradict what she says in the dating site or her letter to you. Sometimes it is not easy to work out if she is 'otherwise engaged' with a man or more by looking at her VK account. Pictures of her with men can be of old boyfriends, just friends or relatives. You would expect a young and beautiful girl to date men in her own country, wouldn't you? Searching the girls' pictures in Google or their name, town, age (in the VK/FB search engine) is how I find them in VK/FB or other dating sites. I think that you can work out that the pictures of that girl Olga are those of a professional model and therefore very difficult to trust even if she is the one who writes to you. Don't waste your time trying to get help from rogue dating sites. They are the ones who are scamming you. There have been attempts by people to review the decent dating sites. I found one blog by someone who has investigated them carefully and I chose one dating site he said was reputable. I am happy with it, despite their 'confidentiality' policies. A decent dating site does its best to remove scammers or prevent them from opening accounts. I report 2/3 scammers per week, to the site I use, and the site removes them. A rogue site will not remove scammers even if you show them copies of Western Union transfers to the girl for £5000. Other people will tell you how silly it is to send money. See this: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&forumid=1&topicid=62 54 Only read the first message, the rest is Kindergarden talk. scammed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2014 3:56:30 PM   @RodanTsunami, I am not here to point fingers, to make fun of posters, or to be made fun of. I don't expect for dating sites to be non-profit organizations. I don't expect for them to set me up with a woman out of the goodness of their hearts. Of course, we in America are crazy about free-market capitalism. But there should be a difference between that and corruption. There are sites that simply charge a monthly fee and that's it. There are others that charge no monthly fee and you pay for everything. But to pretend that most or many of these websites are not promoting the women there to engage in idle letters and chats with men is simply not truthful. Find-bride.com has many women there with active profiles, who are either engaged or married. Some have boyfriends with no intention of ever having a relationship with the men at the site. So what does that say about the women who are actually single? Well, how many of them are even looking for a relationship. Every woman at that site becomes questionable at that point. That is just being truthful. Management hides the fact these women are married or otherwise. A quick check can verify it. You can do a lot more than just visit vk. You can do image searches now. You can go to mail.ru. You can even find women on facebook or at model sites, etc. And let me explain. Being on a professional date can be fun. If you are not too invested, it is the same as paying an escort here in the states. Just no sex, that's all. Being scammed for thousands of dollars for gifts, english lessons, chats, and letters. Well, that is not fun at all. Yep, we have to pay. But I don't think it is unreasonable that the price be fair and the service be honest. We are not talking about guaranteeing anything. If I can meet a woman who is honestly looking for someone, that's all I can ask for. But being matched up with someone who is actively trying to take money is just deceitful. There are no two ways about it. So gents, no guilt here. If you are scammed, have no shame, and don't pretend it is somehow your fault. And one more thing. Don't try to tackle this industry alone. They are too good. scammed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2014 5:16:34 PM   @DCguy I do not believe that IMBRA forbids exchanging of personal information. In fact, there are many popular sites where this is permitted. Of course, you need consent. At many of these "other" sites, the information you receive is usually wrong, invalid email address or incorrect last name. To throw off your chances of independent verification. I can show you if you wish. IMBRA is supposed to do the following; Duty to Disclose Criminal and Marital History and Obtain Written Consent. Before a (for fee) IMB may provide a foreign national client’s personal contact information to a United States client, the IMB must: 1. search sex offender public registries for information regarding the United States client; 2. collect certain criminal and marital background information through documentation or an attestation from the United States client; 3. provide to the foreign national client any records retrieved from the sex offender public registry search and the background information collected in her primary language; 4. provide to the foreign national client a government-prepared information pamphlet about the legal rights and resources available in the U.S. to immigrant victims of domestic violence and other crimes; and 5. obtain the foreign national client’s signed, written consent to the release of her information to the United States client. (Sections 833(d)(2) and (3)) The issue with pay by letter sites it that you have no defense against the scammer. Because the website is working with them to take your money. When the lady is telling you to buy a service and the website is claiming she is legit and the services are legit. You are blind. You independently verify the woman is married or engaged. But that never comes from the site. They claim scam-free policy, but they are in league with the scammers. If you are a pay by the month site like I am. You can spot a scammer a while away. Gentlemen, the industry is full of scammers. The issue is that certain companies pay and use them to get our money. If you are at a pay by the month site, then that scammer is not getting anything. She has to come to you directly with a request. And how many of us are going to just send thousands of dollars to them that way? But we will buy a gift. We will pay for english lessons. We will chat and send letters. Even if we can't get anything more than an occasional professional date. That is all that I am saying. scammed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2014 5:24:48 PM   @wifeseeker The thing that is funny is that Olga is not very attractive. She is in her 30s, I believe. But if you believe the prevailing advice on the internet, "don't go for women who are too pretty. Or don't date women who are too young". If you followed it for Olga, you would be dead wrong. Beauty and age have nothing to do with a person's heart. If they want to do you harm, they can be 50 years old in a wheel chair. Olga is just a plain looking woman she is not a model by a long shot. As for Olga, you don't have to worry about me not doing my home work. I went to her husband's profile. I went to her instagram page. His instagram page. I did image searches. You have to understand, this isn't about jumping to conclusions. This is about coming together with men who are interested in dating overseas. Then share experiences, strategies, and not be ashamed of having the courage to blindly search for love and being taken advantage of. I am not here trying to get advice. I am here hoping men who are in this industry looking for love, have finally had enough. There are women all over the world looking for love and the scammers have separated us. We can remove this obstacle. We just have to work together. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2014 9:15:37 AM   scammed - most likely the girl in the pic was never involved. Scam agencies use stolen model pics then get you to pay for services on behalf of the stolen pic. They rob you every way to Sunday. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2014 12:35:07 PM   scammed, Maybe I will say what the website told you: "perhaps we are talking about different Olgas" Maybe the links you published do not go to the Olga you are talking about. If you think that this Olga is plain looking or not a model then I really do not know what you are expecting of Ukrainian girls. She looks like a magazine cover girl to me. I would not say (to people in general): "don't go for women who are too pretty. Or don't date women who are too young" I would say the agency girls tend to have model like photos so beware of those, I am not even saying don't talk to them. I have no idea why you think those photos, especially the B&W one do not look like photos of a model in a studio. How many ordinary girls will go topless, in front of a photographer, in a photo for their profile in a dating site? I will agree with this: "There are women all over the world looking for love and the scammers have separated us. We can remove this obstacle. We just have to work together." dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/30/2014 2:37:51 AM   scammed Yes, I agree that the dating sites are full of scammers. I have registered with the following three types: 1) Pay per letter. I got several hundred emails without sending out one single email. I get numerous video chat requests. I did not put any photo on my profile. 2) Monthly fee. I got quite a number of emails and contacts the first couple of months after registering. Now I do not get any more. The only recent ones are profiles that are taken away after one day (possibly due to violating some policy or was identified as a scammer). 3) Free site. I get sporadic email contacts. I sent out several interests out and got no reply (maybe the profiles no longer are active). Many of the sporadic contacts are "white" women who appear to be somewhere in Africa. My guess is that some African is stealing photos in an attempt to be attractive to non-Africans. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/30/2014 5:11:22 AM   scammed, dcguy I said elsewhere that the funny thing with pay monthly only sites, like mine, it is the other way round: The scammers are the ones who try to get you out of the dating site and into private chatting by email, skype, whatsapp, etc. They have two reasons: either to entice you to part with your money without the watching eye of the site administrators or to take you to a pay-per-everything site. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/3/2014 8:34:20 PM   Wifeseeker From my experience, only those on the free sites have tried to get away from the free site and to personal email communication. No one has tried to move me from going from one site to another. I have tried to move others from the pay site over to the free email side. Some do not have computers and are relying on the agency for their communication. Some do have computers and are reluctant to go via free methods (probably because they are getting a cut of the business). WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2014 7:34:11 AM   dcguy, "From my experience, only those on the free sites have tried to get away from the free site and to personal email communication. No one has tried to move me from going from one site to another." Yes but I think you have not used the pay monthly fee only sites. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2014 12:41:40 PM   Wifeseeker, I did forget that on one of the monthly fee site, I have gotten quite a few ladies who wanted to get away from the site and communicate via personal email. In just about all of those cases, the profile was deleted the next day and the profile then tried to use the "visa" and "translation agency" routine on me on the personal email side. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2014 4:55:14 PM   WS/ DC / TomZ All that is correct, I had the same experience and came to the same conclusion... And to add, beware of FSU ladies that claim to have a Schengen visa. They will suggest to meet in an EU country for a fast meeting since it will take longer to get a visa. Chances are she is a pro-dater or scammer looking for a holiday...but If you got big packets or getting a good feeling...then play it at your own risk, but don't come crying at this forum...just man-up and help a brother out with learning info. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2014 1:14:30 AM   kaiserdag Never heard of a Schengen visa. I don't go to any foreign country unless someone local will be there with me. In all of my foreign travel, it was never to meet a total stranger unless a local person would be available. I guess you could say it is like a "safety valve" because in general, I do not go randomly to any foreign country to meet strangers (as far as I am concerned, everyone online is a stranger). As I said before, I am a cheapskate and not out to buy anyone's affections or impress anyone. In fact, I have relatives who ask for financial help over the years. I mostly turn a "deaf ear" to them many times. It may sound a bit callous of me, but when you start giving, there usually will be no end to asking. At this stage, the only ones who talk about a visa or travelling have turned out to be scammer profiles. One even had the nerve to reuse letters written to another person several years ago that I found online. The letters sent to me followed the same content as the ones sent several years earlier. I even considered trying to play a trick and post the "future response" letter used earlier to the scammer that would have tongue tied "her". Oh, by the way, here is a copy of your passport that you were going to send me in a future email. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2014 4:55:06 AM   dcguy. "I did forget that on one of the monthly fee site, I have gotten quite a few ladies who wanted to get away from the site and communicate via personal email. In just about all of those cases, the profile was deleted the next day and the profile then tried to use the "visa" and "translation agency" routine on me on the personal email side." exactly, I get the same thing. But I do this: when their profile from the site disappears I ask the site who removed it, the girls or the site. When they administrators say it was them who did it, I ask why and sometimes they say it was for misconduct. In fact some girls did remove the profile themselves, some of them being genuine. Many of these scammers ask you for your email address on the first or second message as they know they are about to be removed from the site Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > What can I do to help?
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