Hi everyone. I just came across this forum today. Im interested in traveling to Ukraine and Russia soon, within a year or two. I was wondering how much things cost in Ukraine and in Russia. I checked out the GDP per capita for both and its seems like Russia is about $8k and Ukraine is like $4.5k, while US is like $35k(USD per year). So, what is the average wage in each country, in USD? Do people in Ukraine and Russia think that $50 is a lot of money? $100? I checked out some hotels and appartments for rent, and they dont seem comparable to America. Is this just cus those businesses are trying to capitalize on travelers? So how much is reasonable to go eat out? If I travel to either country for a month, how much should I expect to spend? Any other stats would be appreciated, like how much are clothes, food, movie tickets, drinks, merchandise, etc? Thanks for any input!
Within a year or two?
That should leave you oooodles of time to learn all those answers by plain surfing, and I'd say that you not even would have to use a search-engine.
Come back in some 23 months, and tell us what you've learned?
Oh, and before I forget - you might want to start finding a woman there? Now already I mean? You just might surprise yourself how quick your 'planning' will be a mess ;-))
There is only three rules you need to a)memorize b) repeat 100 times before writing letters to anyone and c)stamp on your fartknocker forehead if you decide to pursue this search for an eastern woman.
Do not send money to anyone you have not met in person.
Do not send money to anyone you have not met in person, no matter how tempted you are to do it.
Do not send money to anyone you have not met in person no matter how tempted you are to do it and even if you happen to fart u$s 100 bills on a daily basis.
BTW, in two years most mates here are already married. You may want to shrink your time schedule by at least 50%.
Fart, I haven't figured this out yet myself. It seems that their salaries are alot smaller than American's ( on the average ), yet some of the prices of certain things are comparable to the U.S. , some even more expensive. I haven't seen anything that is considerably cheaper in Russia.
Our household electrical products (computers kitchenware etc) is about the same or more expencive. The problem is that there are rich people in russia and Ukraine so they do sell. Most people seem to make an average of $50us a month. They talk in usd because they currency is very fragile and every changing therefore people save in usd as well although Euros are becoming more and more popular. Day to day thing like food are cheaper and even eating out, depending on what city you go to. Clothes are also about the same price. They can only afford to buy nice clothes etc when they only eat vegies from there own garden for the month. Most people will travel distances to go to the markets so they can get things cheaper. I have seen how far $50us goes and I do not know how they survive but they do. If you realy want to treat you girl when you are there, take her shopping for clothes, she will realy love it. But do not do it to impress her, make sure where you stand before you do such a thing.
Here is what I experienced and observed from my time in Kiev and doing some shopping with my fiancee. It may put some things into perspective. All prices are in dollars and most people you meet have two prices - US Dollars and Ukraine Hravna. Everyone seems to know the exchange rate and it is usually 5 Hravna to every dollar.
Average (middle class?) Salary in Kiev - $40 to $250 a month
Samsung notebook computer - USA $1900 - same one in Kiev, $2800
Dinner for two at a "non-tourist" restaurant - Kiev, $15-$25
An OK/average apartment for a month at a decent non-foreigner rate - ~$150 to $200
Groceries for a week in Kiev - $26
Dress or nice gown in a shop - Kiev, $250
So, what does this tell us? Most people have to really save to afford clothes. If they have clothes, they are usually tailored themselves at home. They do not buy clothes in stores. Most people never go out to dinner. They always eat at home. Most people cannot afford their own apartments. They share it with others or live with family.
You do have the wealthy there and they are usually the ones you will see with laptop computers and things like automobiles. Your average person on the street that I met usually only has 1 or 2 different changes of clothes for work and most women won't have more than 1 or 2 pairs of shoes that they will keep until they wear out. When they do purchase new things they look for durability and could care less about brand names.
LOL! "most women won't have more than 1 or 2 pairs of shoes that they will keep until they wear out." I'll belive that when I see it. The average American women I've dated has more shoes then IQ points, of course thats probably why I've been running into problems. One had a whole room for shoes!
I met a girl who had these ragidy old shoes but she told me how much she loved them because she paid for them herself with some part time work. I was aparenty the most expencive item she had ever bought herself.
The thing that really comes to my mind are the open street markets that I saw. In the mornings you would see people selling everything from old used library books (some torn and even missing pages and covers) to used shoes (VERY used shoes) along the streets and Metro tunnels. I would see people picking through these items. I remember seeing one girl that looked like she was dressed for work. She had stopped and was digging through this box full of old used boots and shoes trying to find a pair that matched and I watched her as she struggled to see if one pair fit her. I don't think they even fit right and looked too small but I remember her struggling to see if they could be made to fit. Then sadly putting them back and running off.
When I met my fiancee she owned two pairs of shoes. One pair of high heels she wore constantly every day for work and around town. Then one pair of tennis shoes for jogging (I am not counting the house slippers everyone wears inside their apartments). All seemed fairly old and worn and you could probably buy then in a second hand store in the USA for a dollar or less. One day I was walking with her and she took a wrong step off the edge of the sidewalk. She nearly fell and one of her shoes slipped off and went shooting off down the sidewalk. She went almost into a panic and looked like she was nearly in tears because she thought that the heel had broken. I remember asking her what was wrong and she told me in a sad voice that it was the only pair of shoes she had for work. And "what if something had happened to them?" To her it seemed like the end of the world if her shoe had broken.
Many girls won't admit this but I have seen this to be true. I read this before I went to the Ukraine but didn't believe it. "If you are around your girl for more than a few days you will probably have seen every single change of clothes the girl owns." That is 100% true. I don't know how they do it, but I have seen my girl and some of the others she works with in her office wear the exact same outfit - or parts of it - every day 2 or 3 days in a row. In fact, I compared some pictures of my fiancee recently with some that were taken nearly 2 years ago. She is wearing the exact same pair of pants in over half of her pictures and I could recognize every change of clothes she owns instantly by looking at her photos and the (maybe) 5 changes of clothes I saw in her hall closet when I visited. She will change shirts and wear a scarf or something to make it look a little different but she really only owns about 5 full changes of clothes total.
This is very correct, about clothes and shoes!!! And the open markets, where you can try to lower the price. Many people buy clothes in second hand shops. One of my parents friends, went to the second shop to buy some rag to wash the floor, but what he bought seamed very good for him to wear, and that cost him 2 grivnas, a very nice T-shirt. And he was wearing it all summer long!!!
Wearing clothes and shoes for less then 5 years is thought to be something strange. And you know it's a good stimule to keep in fit, so not to buy another clothes:) Sad humor, but it's true. I felt like in panic when I gained a couple of kilos and couldn't wear my costume for work with comfort, so I did my best to lose them as soon as possible!!!
And this is true, many people have only 1 outfit for work, 1 for going out, 1 for house, 1 for walks with friends, and 1 for sport. This is something average...but it's true.
Makes me realize how good I have it, a little bit humbling actually. I've read that ukrainian women are extremely proud, for the most part. If I were to take a women shopping, and buy her some clothes would she be offended?