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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > wake up call.............. Author Post true light Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2004 5:15:36 PM   You too, like so many American men have already done, can find yourself a woman from one of the most devious, untrustworthy, manipulative, dishonest, money grabbing, contemptible races on the face of our planet. Yes! Find yourself a real Russian women. You will soon know she is a true Russian when she starts asking you for money and inventing stories that make it necessary for you to continually visit Western Union. But don’t expect any gratitude for it, it’s what you are supposed to do (after all, you are American, and that’s all Americans are good for in the eyes of the Russian parasite). Having begged you for money don’t expect her to show any humility or appreciation, after all, she is Russian and Russians are naturally superior to Americans. Americans spend their time eating hamburgers and watching soaps while the ‘superior’ Russian immerses his or herself in their rich culture (so they would have you believe – the truth is they are too busy conning each other and everyone else to have time for that). The fact she is a thieving, lying, scavenging, bloodsucking loathsome gypsy will not prevent her looking down her nose at you. And her ‘superiority’ won’t stop her holding out her hand for more money at every opportunity. And after you have forked out thousands of bucks to bring her to the US she will occupy herself spending even more of your money beautifying herself (exterior beauty is all she understands, interior beauty is an unknown concept to her), finding herself a Russian lover (after all, why stay with an inferior American when she can find a superior Russian in your country?), whining, doing as little to help you as possible, never doing any house work (her excuse will be that she will not be able to keep herself looking good if she has to do housework or that by expecting her to do house work you are simply proving all you want is a house maid – while the simple truth is she is lazy and looking for the easiest way out (that’s why she is with you!!). In the mean time her lack of decency, loyalty and honour will continually result in her conniving behind your back. When there are so many genuine, loving, beautiful women in the world who’d appreciate a decent, responsible, caring man, why on earth would you choose a Russian?? If they were the last race on earth I would still have huge reservations about starting a relationship with one. When there are so many other countries where you can go to find yourself a beautiful caring wife it seems idiotic to me that you would choose a country where the people are renown for their corruptness and dishonesty. Why do you think it is that you can go to any search engine and type in ‘marriage scam’ and get hundreds of pages reporting thousands of Russian and Ukrainian scammers? Why aren’t there nearly so many reports of Filipino or Thai women scamming? Economically the are in similar circumstances and just as many Western men pursue relationships with women from these countries. Yet reports involving scams from Thai or Filipino women are rare in comparison to the thousands of reported scams involving Russian and Ukrainian women. Just type ‘marriage scam’ in a search page like google.com and see for yourself. If you are so naive you don’t realise the reason so many of these reports originate from Russia and Ukraine is due to the fact Russian and Ukrainian women are innately corrupt and lack any scruples or morals you only have yourselves to blame when you are fleeced. They will deceive, lie and manipulate without a second thought. They lie as easily as they breathe. If you want to find yourself a wife from a country like this, it is your decision, but don’t be surprised when you are scammed. Just as you are not surprised if you go fishing and catch a fish, you shouldn’t be surprised if you go to Russia and catch a scammer olegnay Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2004 5:54:28 PM   similar post happened before and was very well discussed. make a search and read answers:) Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2004 6:00:00 PM   Gee, there for awhile I thought you were talking about my ex-wife but she is American. Sounds like someone has had their ass taken to the cleaners. I think most people here that reads the forum is knowledgeable enough to avoid the scenario you have given. Why condemn a whole country over a few rotten apples? crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2004 6:29:05 PM   You know, if I listened to people like this I would never be in the position I am in. I would never be able to travel when I want, I would never be able to buy whatever I want and I sure would never find the woman I want. Instead I would probably be living in some crappy little apartment with some bitch I dont love, driving a piece of shit kissing some bosses ass everyday of my life just so I can survive. Its too bad about your obviously terrible experience but your definitly barking up the wrong tree....at least for me. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2004 8:44:48 PM   Is it any surprise to everyone here that this thread was initiaded by some guy with a russian e-mail address? Ivan (aka True light), we know some of your women in the webpages are bloodsucking parasites, that's why we never send any money to any of them until we have satisfied ourselves as to their honesty. Your claim that ALL russian and ukraine women are lazy parasites is unbelievably obtuse, callous and without merit. I'm willing to bet you're just jealous of the way western men are able to take women away from your country and provide them with a lifestyle of dignity, hope and prosperity that yourself and your male russian comrades couldn't even dream of because they rather make love to a cheap bottle of vodka than take care of their own families. toad deanis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2004 11:07:34 PM   Uhhhh actually he makes a lot of valid points. Having taken 8 trips to Russian and Ukraine myself and the last one being for three months I'd have to agree with a lot of what he has said. I hope to take some time soon and write my whole story on this forum. I went as deep as you can go in this business if that is what you want to call it. I learned things that I wasn't supposed to learn. Seen things I wasn't supposed to see. One example. I've learned at least 50% of your ladies waiting for their fiance visa are having sex with a local man. These people are very free with their sexuality. She's not waiting for you! Trust me I know! The whole story to follow..... wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2004 12:36:10 AM   I am sure that if I kick Mr. Ed a little more I can get him to say Oh Wilberrrr! If you are not willing to invest time establishing an emotional bond with a woman through letters, photos, flowers, gifts, phone calls, every visit you make eventually will end in mutual disapointment. Statistics prove that very few relationships end in marraige by going and meeting. No matter how far the woman lives from you the courtship process is the same. Drive from your city or town to a city 900 miles away go to a singles party through a local dating service like match.com or matchmaker or American singles and tell me what your odds of getting married to one of these girls you meet and spend a couple of days with. Just because you go to Russia to meet a Russian woman does not make the courtship any different. Especially woman with values and principals that we tout the Russian women to posess. Really what are the chances of meeting and marrying. Well do you know the Chance Brother's Fat, Slim, and None, well Slim is outta town who's left. Some of you guys need to start a brew of coffee to smell it! idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2004 6:09:40 AM   Denais, having been to FSU 4 time I would be very interested to hear your story, if you do not want to post it here, email it to me. True light, if you have been done over thats to bad, but I have meet some girls there who said that they did not want to see me because they thought that we were not ment to be, I have met some girls who would go after 1 day if I asked them and I have met some that said they could not make a decission untill we spend more time together. I myself was scammed by one in a way. You see, there are all types there, just like America. I also know a man who was done over by a phillipino twice. They married him and them left after they got a visa but that was years ago. More people go to Russia simply because they want to marry a white girl perhaps. Now not so many Asian scammers get a chance. Unfortunatly the world is full of scammers and they come in all shapes, sizes and colours. Russian are the most know now because they are the women most sort after women so the scammers from Russia sease there moment. What ever happened to you, try to get over it and move on because I acually know more than one happy man who is married to A FSU woman. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2004 2:53:28 PM   hey true light, it is good to hear some one who is not stupid like the rest of these keypad warriors who think they have all the answers about life and women in the former fsu. you know who i mean, the regular featured philosophers. i have hit this crap since december full time and have visited kiev for two very long stays and i had to cancel my upcoming trip on the 15 of september because what has happened to me what i have uncovered is the most scandalous web you can imagine and i can back up what i have to say. it is incredible what these agencys will do for a dime. i am not talking about fiance.com but they know what i will be talking about.do you actually think that these pretty young girls cant wait to get home from work to rush down to their agency to write to you? guess what, they probably are not.i have dated and made close friends who work in this industry and they told me all i need to know. i have to actually get my rest to write and finish what i have started. i think you men better wake up and smell the coffee. you will hear from me shortly. it will be very interesting. as you know true light be careful, we dont want to deflate anyones egos. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2004 3:51:33 PM   Jmouv, some of what truelight says is true, but he is obviuosly angree about something that has happened to him. If it is all so true and you have all lost interest because it is a waist of time, why are you here? And why do you care at all? I am not blowing your thoughts off, I am genuinly interested. And I certainly have not got all the answers but I do have some experience and opinions. davey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2004 4:39:51 PM   I have been reading this forum regularly but never contributed. However, having read these posts I have decided to tell my story too. I will post it as soon as I have written it up properly. It is time that men wake up yo the realities of this business. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2004 5:48:58 PM   Ok waiting impatiently to hear your horror stories but before you post remember this when you point your finger in someone else's direction there are more pointing your way. In the end these experienced guy's here at Fiance.com will let you know your part in the scamscapade you willingly took part of. Before you write your story of how you became the poor victim try to honestly review your role and tell us what your part was!! nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2004 7:51:12 PM   Wake up Call??? Truelight if these women are so talented at this I will appreciate their work ethic. Let me tell you about a scam, it's a great story, There was this guy that spent 18 years of building a business with very little money to start he was married to this woman who said she loved him with all her heart. She didn't work then decided to get involved with the business, which amounted to handling a few phone calls and she lived a decent life with good amenities. He was loyal to her, but she developed a drinking problem and with many attempts and many dollars invested in rehab to help this woman, she decides to run off with another man, then returns home and begs for forgiveness. Which the man does not accept, well they end up in divorce court, thousands of dollars invested in attorneys and a battle over business she didn't want in the first place. With about 30,000 dollars in legal fees the judge decides the business assests should be distributed evenly. The business falters and is forced into bankruptcy. The man, who was loyal and worked hard to provide for his family walks away with virtually nothing. Since the only two grounds for divorce is irretrivable breakdown of marriage or irreconcilable differences a man gets hammered in court. This scam is the American divorce court. So if you get scammed in Russia or Ukraine it's your own damn fault, when you get in American the scam is on in the court system, restraining orders, men accused of child abuse, huge losses of money and assests. I will take my chances with the lady I've been talking to and if she scams be out of a few hundred dollars then that's my own fault. It would only take 3 hours with an attorney to get 525 dollars from a client. Since what I have invested in my lady with gifts on her birthday and phone calls to her weekly hasn't even come up to 300 dollars. There are horror stories all over the world. Want some real horror stories just ask some guys who have children and have been in divorce court and custody battles. Get a grip, if you get ripped off by these ladies you have no one to blame but yourself. Later Mike Neonred Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/10/2004 12:51:17 AM   Hey Nasfan Why does your story sound EXACTLY like my life?? Make mine 17 years, substitute pills for drinking, but she didn't run away with another man...darn it! The business didn't faulter, but I had to pay her for half the business I worked my ass off for 17 years at 50+ hours a week while she did..... There's even more, but it still makes me sick to think about it..... At least now I have found a Russian woman that loves me more than anyone has ever loved me. Neonred Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/10/2004 12:54:17 AM   AND.... Next week at this time (hurricane Ivan willing) I will be on the plane on my way to visit her again! I just hope I still have a house....this place will not last through 150 mph winds.... idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/10/2004 2:37:51 AM   Wess, damm good point. I had a chance to stopp my roolercoaster but was to stupid, so I blame myself as I think I turned away some real gems. Nas, another very good point Neo, I hope it all works out for you, its nice to hear good news and you are not the first to have good news. Something to take note of. What this tread is like is racism, hatting and labling everyone from a certain group because of the actions of a few. Worldtraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/10/2004 11:07:40 AM   I am amazed to read, that some few gents have a similar opinion about russian women. The first time I went to Russia was in 1991 and since 4 years I am a frequent visitor in Moldova. Due to business and privat interests I was in many different countries all over the world. But I am sorry to say, that characteristics like cheating and lieing are very widespread in eastern europe. In terms of business and also in private issues regarding women. As a conclusion I decided to trust in NO EE woman anymore and furthermore to play the same game as they are doing. I made my experiences and learnt to open my eyes. A wife from russia? Definitly not! WT tradman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/10/2004 12:42:23 PM   wt, why exactly are you on here, if you don't mind me asking? davey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/10/2004 12:57:25 PM   My answer to Worldtraveller's post: This is what decades of communist rule does to the fabric of society. Adversity is a great test of character, as is prosperity. Adversity as well as prosperity can bring out the best in some people, and the worst in others. It all depends on character. When I see obese bald middle aged men chase after sexy young girls in a difficult situation I am sickened by it. I am just as sickened when I see sexy young girls using their beauty and femininity to deliberately mislead men. There is blame on both sides, as well as on the side of the Russian bride industry which perpetuate the myths that make all of this possible. Of course not all failures are heartless scams by the woman. I think most failures are just the logical result of the circumstances that drive people to these artificial relationships. You cannot bend the rules of the dating game. You cannot win the true love of a woman that would not be interested in you under better circumstances. Guys, know your "strike band", that is, be aware of the kind of woman you can attract in your own country with regards to beauty, age etc. When seeking an FSU bride, do not move outside those boundaries. If you do, the relationship has no long term future. You may be dealing with a scam artist at worst, or at best with somebody of integrity who under pressure of her current circumstances has decided to accept some compromises. If you keep to women that would fall in love with you under normal circumstances, your relationship has a much better chance of survival. Come on guys, be a man and do not try to abuse a particular situation. I have been to the FSU many times, and I cannot even begin to tell you how much resentment this causes. IMHO a gross mismatch in the expectations of western men and FSU women is the primary reason for women eventually being labelled as scammers. Many girls start off with honest intentions, hoping to find her prince in the west. She gets drawn into this business, accepting some compromises. Many men write, some visit. The princes do not come back, because they are not that desperate and re-evalute their options. The desperate ones, or those aiming way beyond their natural strike band persist. When she realises that she only attracts frogs, she turns to scamming because she feels insulted and bitter. Another may witdraw at a late stage because she made the wrong decision and cannot continue to live wih it. By then the man has already spend a lot of money on visits, language courses etc. and she gets labelled a scammer. Yet another girl that got married, may under her new circumstances question her willingness to live with these compromises, and be labelled a "green card whore". Guys, wake up to the reality of this game, forget the hype perpetuated by dating agencies, and stick to the basic rules of the dating game. If you do not, you will get burned. There is a strange paradox in all of this. The more honorable the intentions of the woman, the longer it takes for the complete scenario to play out, and the more emotional harm is done. Strangely, if she is only a visa scammer, it is only money that you loose. Worldtraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/10/2004 1:12:27 PM   Trad, feel free to ask. There are two reasons: 1. To give info and support regarding those gents, who want to travel to Moldova. 2. If I never would have been in the former CIS I would think and act in the same way, as the overwhelming majority of the guys are doing here. I was married several years with a russian woman. It was fine in the beginning till she showed her real face. After I had for sure 20 and more girlfriends also in the former CIS. And sooner or later I found the same stereotyp. If I read the messages here I have an impression, that many guys want to see all good, all positive in the EE women, because of a private disappointment they already had with a wife from their own country. During the years I learned many couples, where the wife came from former CIS. And unfortunately most of the marriages broke sooner or later. You may recognize it or not, but many of those women turned to another character after living for some time in western countries. And so they aren´t anylonger that kind of russian woman, who was the reason why a western gent felt in love once. My intention here is simply to give an opinion from an experienced side. Trying to tell the reality besides hearts and eyes full of love. Anyway: I don´t say to anyone that it would be wrong to look for his soulmate in former CIS. I only made my decision for myself. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > wake up call..............
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