hello and this is my experience after hitting this fsu thing with all my good intentions. wessman you want both sides of the story, you will get a very accurate account. idiotdetector you misread me, i am not mad at all. you ask why i am on forum? it is because i am a loser like you and everyone else who cant find the love we want in our hometown. dont take it personal. because now it is my time to write and i feel qualified to make my own analogy after a monumental effort to find love. i have read you guys enough and you are all driving yourselves crazy. my opinion is truelight and worldtraveller shoot straight from the hip . they dont dream and philosophise. they say exactly what they experience and see for themselves. that is why i identify with them.i got tired of e-mailing for months because i suspected that the ladies were not writing their own replies. you know , ask three questions and only one or none get answered. or very abstract replys that pertain to nothing you wrote to her or them about. my first visit to kiev was wonderful. i went to a european connections social and was overwhelmed. i dated several women i met there and i also actually got a date from a girl who was a former miss wow named kate kermik. she is actually the owner and administrator of katrin agency in kiev which through my questions to fiance .com they are the only agency they deal with. i had dinner and lunch with her but she would not reveal her employment until down the road much later.she was not my type so we remained friends. so at this social i became close with my interpretor. i also want you guys to know she formerly worked for another agency for marriage. i went back to kiev the second time to be with her. but we decided mutually we had differences and are very close friends now. so now men i am planning my third trip to kiev and do a search on the women of kiev all from the same agency. i chose four and they were all so happy to know that i was coming to wine and dine them that some could not even get my name right on their replys. they were so happy they could not even answer my questions to them. guess what men, so i e-mail their agency and behold it is the former miss wow i mentioned earlier to my surprise. and she admits herself as the owner .
(continuation from jmoluv) part two i ask her if the ladys i write to are receiving their own letters and writing their own replys and she says these girls do not have the time to come in and write their own letters so her staff of writers call the girls if they can or simply write the letters fictionally for the girls.MEN DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I JUST SAID????THIS CAME STRAIGHT FROM THE OWNERS MOUTH TO ME!!!!! so the whole time i was writing letters and receiving replys they were never from the girls who could not wait to see me. i was devastated. i already had plane tickets and hotel reservations . she said she would invite the girls i wrote to to come down and answer me. well guess what all communication has stopped and i had to cancel my whole trip. this is bullshit. she also said that the prettier women in her agency are not really interested in marriage. how nice to know!! so she sent me her ugly list and man they are ugly. my interpretor friend said this is the norm for this industry to write false letters. this is how they make money to live. a fiance .com worker said to me the same thing also and i wont name names. i hope you guys wake up. if you think she is writing you ,she probably is not. this is all kiev ladys on our site
continuation again from jmoluv- i actually dated a 37 year old mother in kiev who told me i had to teach her how to kiss? then she said she knew absolutely nothing about making love but she had a ten year old son. she beleived in immaculate conception. i truly had fun in both my trips to kiev and i honestly was going to choose one of the four to come to the usa i thought were writing me but the katrin agency crushed me . the administrator feels it is perfectly acceptable to do this. i dont understand why fiance.com does not remove her agency women. they as i have learned have always had problems with this agency before. i feel that i have been deceived and ripped off. i was a loser in the usa and now i am a loser in the former fsu. if you want to meet women go to a social. do not waste your time with the e-mail process . it is almost a passe thing to the ladies these days over there. the beautiful women over there know they are beautiful and most are quiet happy with the attention they get from there own men. we are just fodder for their entertainment on the internet and an income to the agencys. i hope this sinks in to you heads a little better. good luck to all you men/jeff
this is why you have very nice system on fiance.com - you do not pay for each letter. simply do not write to the ladies that are not sincere by any reason. also as far as I know, agency from Kiev, was supposed to be lose their access to the site due to a number of campaigns. also, ladies really do not have time to come and read letters so agency call them and read, they tell what to write in reply. get phone number, real address, start calling and talking on the phone. what is the problem? wiret to the ladies with private emial only if you are afraid of agency help. how did you get to the idea of buying a plane ticket if you have not even talked to the girl over the phone. did you do it? email to customer service all letters from that agency.
I think this practice is widespread. I had a similar experience with some other agencies. The the pretty girls on Russian Bride sites are not really available for serious dating. Some are professional dating artists who make an income out of this, and you can actually entertain some of them. But they will not introduce you to their friends or parents. After a date they go back to their boyfriends. But their are many categories of pretty girls that I have discovered, and I will do a write up of them and post it here.
- The Professional dating artist who is paid to attract business. She dates visiting men but is not serious.
- The stolen identity, a fake identity used with stolen pictures.
- Pretty pictures obtained in a fraudulent fashion, girls that are real but do not want to meet western men.
- Retouched pictures (Adobe Photoshop), girls that are made to look prettier.
- Multiple indentities, i.e. one girl posing for several identities each with different hair style and clothing
to olegnay, in response. the writers at katrin agency in kiev deceived me . dont you understand what i said? they all said they would be happy to meet me through their letters. they couldnt wait. until the director asked them to start writing their own replies. two who couldnt wait to meet me finally said we had nothing in common and the other two never came in to write. every single god dam time i ever asked for a private e-mail or cell phone all women on this web never said yes or never said no. they dont like to answer much to specific questions. this is how these agencys rip you off. they keep you guessing and writing more. or they want to charge you for the three way phone call for business. if they were truly interested in promoting marriage they should be more than glad give the private e-mail or cell phone if the lady says it is okay. like i said before but your not listening , i have become close friends with two ukrainian women who were in the business. it is the standard of the industry to write false letters. good writers letters are more believable and not so good are not so believable. that was straight from the source. wake up!!!!!
read my posting. this agency lost their access to fiance.com
they have been checked and worked with site for several month. some men even had very good experience vesting them in Kiev. But as I understand after your campaign and others, they lost their access to fiance.com. yes they should have given you all private information and let you talk to the girl independently. read this forum. there are hundreds of posting with advices what to do and how to not to be fooled. why should I wake up? I am awake:) you wake up. if you are to happy with them try to prosecute them in Kiev. at least as I understood you know the owner now and where they operate.
prosecute them in kiev? come on now oleg , the court system and the local police are just as corrupt as all these websites. when i was on kreshatyk street with my date . the local police approached me. they knew somehow i was american but i did not dress like one. they accused my date from european connections of being a prostitute and she cried. i forgot to put my passport in my changed sportcoat and they asked for it. i said it was in my apartment right inside the door in front of them. they said we dont want to see it now . we just want one hundred american dollars and we will walk away. i had too, what was i to do? they threatened to take me away. for what i do not know. prosecute katrin agency in kiev? the police commander is probably sleeping with the agency women and the owner.
court system works fine. problem will be with all girls from tahta gency, they will state that they have written all the letters most probably:) anyway. "katrin" agency will not be working on fiance.com anymore the way they did.
The girl that I am going to marry has quite openly admitted to me that she did not write the first five letters to me....This is not important, the agency read my letters to her and she decided to keep correseponding, I have now met her in Moldova, Romania and 4 times in Italy, she has the most integrity of any woman I have ever met. So don't get mad at the system, all my letters were translated down the phone to her and then she wrote her own letters and phoned them thru to her agency to reply to me. these women work long hours and bring up children on their own.... I will admit there will always be bad ones, but they are a minority, I never had an e mail from her on her personal e mail till after we met, but we have turned out to be soulmates, she has lived in Italy for 3 months so far and the west has failed to spoil her, she has taken the good things the west has to offer and rejected the shallow consumerism and womens lib
well oleg, i just looked up the women from that agency and they are still on our site. i thought you just got done saying two replys ago that that agency lost their access to fiance .com if they stay on and that means it is the same liar that owns it. (different regime same asshole)how many chances will they get? then i am cancelling my membership. that means the same motto that i hate to hear(if you cant beat them than join them)