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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > The Student Visa Option Author Post jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2004 7:07:38 PM   The girl I met in Moldova is incredibly bright (as are many FSU girls). She has expressed interest in coming to the US to be a student. Actually, her intereset MAY BE just to come to the US but she is more than willing to be a student to do it. So I thought I would check with a local state university and see what the requirements to be a foreign student, and eligible for a Student Visa are. The admissions officer I talked to sounded quite enthused - they can't dedicate a lot of money to recruiting foreign students but it seems that "diverstity" is a big catchword on college campuses these days and few colleges have anyone from the FSU. I was told that the girl had to send transcripts directly to the registrars office if they were in English. Naturally my Russian lady's transcripts are in Russian so an $85 service is required. She must also pass o proficiency test - this test is given world wide by a particualr tseting agency. He English is excellent so I am guessing it would not be a problem. The big problem, according to the admissions officer is cost. As an (obviously) out of state applicant she would pay full tuition - and she would have to be able to show that she could pay other expenses (room and board) showing, on the surface, the ability to pay $28,000 per year in all inclusive expenses. Since she would be presumably be living with me if she came - and I would provide food etc. - her estimated expenses are, of course, reduced. She is also eligible for state financial aid - which could likely reduce her tuition to that of a state resident. There are a lot fo hoops to jump through - but it would be a possible extra option. The net cost would be the proce of instate tuition, romm and board and less than $500 in application fees. With the school filling out cettain paperwork she would be eleigible for a nonimigrant visa in a whole different way. Am I going to do this with this lady?.....Probably not...for other reasons. I just wanted to point out the option. (It certainly is easier than the "impssible" sntiment generally expressed when asking about any other sort of nonimigrant visa and an FSU lady). olegnay Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2004 7:46:22 PM   if she graduated from Russian University, try to get her to a graduate program with teaching assistantship. they usually give tuition waver, or remission and pay for teaching. then it is free. she must take TOEFL, and GRE before she applies. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 8:17:10 PM   I'm reintroducing this thread as well since the situation has again presented itself. Nut first let me present another part of another thread written by someone else on the same topic. jjbarrier Member Send: 09.01.2005 20:45:02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Does anyone know if women from FSU could get student visa's - after all it seems plenty of people of countries that have populations less than enamored with the United States manage to get their kids into our schools as well, why not women from Russia? wtrav02 Member Send: 09.01.2005 21:36:01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- jj, absolutely she can get a student visa as long as she is admitted by a US college or university. In fact, this is a way (if not the only one) to bring an FSU woman here legally without the obligation to marry her. You have to pay her tuition for as long as she attends classes ... or if she is loaded she can pay the fees. You may want to try community college, they admit foreign students, you just pay higher fees, but still much lower than regular college. This is something to investigate. You can even get married to her if you get along and the INS has no problem (since she is here legally already). DavidUSA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 8:25:48 PM   jetmba, Unless this girlfriend of yours is your loving wife, don't get involved. There's better ways to spend $28,000 or whatever. You can buy Super Bowl tickets. LOL jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 8:29:28 PM   My exfiance and I are considering this option. The reason is that the fiance visa process is a problem by itself. Once married you ARE MARRIED for real. If you divorce you could be subject to the same division of assets that you would be subject to if you married a US girl. A prenuptual agreement might work in theory - but at least one judge I spoke to told me that it could be easily thrown out of court if the girls simply stated that she did not understand what it meant. Besides that - as you probably all know - many people are reluctant to commit at all - much less after a few visits to her home country and a 90 day stay here. She is currently a student. Though she is older than most - she went back to college in Moldova at age 26. I could pay for the application fees, the TOEFL (a standardized test for English) and a few other things and help with the paperwork at a local universtity here. There is a rquirement that a spondor show net assets of at least $21,500 in bank deposits to show fiancial means to support the prospective student. I can do that. The money doesn't actually have to be spent for support of course. The sum mentioned is assumed to be needed if she were to have her own apartment. We could reduce those expenses considerably if she lives with me while attending school. There IS some risk of course. She has no obligation to stay with me or to marry me if she is a student. She COULD find some rich guy - or just another guy and bid me farewell. But that would be a risk I might be willing to take - as opposed to the risk of a divorce anyway and the subsequent settlemtn costs. And as trav mentions in his post above (that I cut and pasted there) we could get married if we chose. Its an option that we are considering. Comments are welcome. august456 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 8:29:41 PM   Jetmba, i have a question If You can show the college that you will paying for the girl's tuition and expenses and supporting her, will she be able to get the student visa????? Because if she does not have any money, you would be paying for her. is that okay to get a student visa? harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 8:38:36 PM   You're right. "Diverse" is a big catch word these days, as if it were the coming of Christ. Funny, there are no qualitative meanings associated with the word. It is merely descriptive of a condition, neither good or bad, just differing. Talk about hi-jacking ! This would make tourists proud ! di·verse di·verse (dî-vûrs¹, dì-, dì¹vûrs´) adjective 1. Differing one from another. 2. Made up of distinct characteristics, qualities, or elements. [Middle English divers,, from Old French divers, from Latin dìversus, past participle of dìvertere, to divert. See divert.] DavidUSA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 8:40:36 PM   I'd look in another direction jetmba. Go find someone who likes you for who you are and wants to be with you. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 8:59:57 PM   Total cost for me might be $500 (or so) in application fees. The cost of the visa itself. "In-state" tuition at a state university (since she is eligible for a scholarship to offset tuition from "out of state" tuition) and living expenses for the two of us together. And of course the airline flight. During the time we can decide if we really want to be together or not - much more than the 90 days of a fiance visa. No other obligations. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 9:03:16 PM   august456 I have the application form in front of me. She has to either have the funds herself - or have SOMEONE willing to sign to sponsor her. That someone can be her friends and family, a church or civic organization - or a friend over here. I'm her friend over here. Its all perfectly legal. She doesn't have to be self supporting to qualify for a student visa. jonny1973 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 9:06:12 PM   Let me first say I have not done this, but I will give my opinion. I looked into a student visa for my girlfriend, and I was very excited. Like you, I was willing to do the financial aspects with the local university, etc. I read all of the international student application documents, and it seemed like there were some hurdles, but we could clear them. My girl was excited, I was excited. So, the university in your city can be certified to issue an I-20. The school can process all the paperwork. You might have to prove that you can be financially responsible for her. But, if that is not a problem, then great. The university in my area could ask me to pre-pay a year’s tuition, if they are at all unsure. But, if the financial aspects aren’t an issue, then that can be overcome. Great-- all that is done. Everything perfect, she has the I-20. The trick is, that I-20 doesn’t mean anything. It is just the ticket she needs to get into for the embassy for an interview. Once she shows up at the Embassy, they still decide if she gets a visa. And, it is still incumbent on her to prove that she has non-immigrant intent. So, they look at a couple of things. They have some experience doing this, and they’ve noticed that many, many, many of the young women who went on student and tourist visas in the past, didn’t come back. They got to the U.S. and stayed. (Even legally, by getting married, etc.) So, from their perspective, many of the people before said they had non-immigrant intent, but then immigrated. It’s a track record you would be fighting against. It is the consular officer's job to NOT grant visas unless they are somehow convinced that the applicant has non-immigrant intent. And, the burden of proof is always on the applicant. But, to be fair, the embassy will ask some questions, to establish that she has strong ties to her home country, and she would be returning. They will ask: “Who will be paying for your school?” American boyfriend. “Who will you be living with?” American boyfriend. “Who will support you financially, and in every other way?” American boyfriend. “But, you swear you have no interest in immigrating to the United States?” Um, your girlfriend doesn’t happen to be single and pretty, does she? The consular officer will notice that. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 9:07:42 PM   "Intent" by the way is part of the law too. If we intended to get married and were using a student visa as a means to that end - it would be fraudulent application and therefore illegal. But since we HAVE no such intent - its perfectly legal. And while she is here she CAN get married (to me or potentially to someone else). The law certainly doesn't say she can't. jonny1973 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2007 9:09:53 PM   So, how else could you do it? Put all the money in her own account, in Moldova, so they can see she has her own money to pay for it? Where on EARTH did she get that kind of money? Something will scream out in their heads: American boyfriend. Put it in her parent’s account, and say they have the money to support her, while she is abroad? Mmmmmmaybe. You’ll probably have to leave it sitting in their account for a year-- as the embassy could certainly ask to see a history of the account, to make sure a large lump-sum deposit hasn’t just recently shown up. (“American boyfriend”) It seems like your girlfriend may really want to immigrate to the United States (in order to be in your arms.) But, the impetus in on the petitioner to prove non-immigrant intent-- and this will be really difficult. Really, it is not much different than a tourist visa. Just because everything is perfect from the school’s perspective, doesn’t mean the Embassy will have any interest in issuing the visa. What I recommend is that you call some colleges that have lots of international students. Get an international students representative on the phone and ask them about the process. Ask them what happens once the school issues an I-20. Ask if they know if it is difficult to get the student visa issued by the embassy in Ukraine or Moldova. Ask them if it is automatic, once the I-20 is issued, or if they can sometimes deny it. And, if the embassy can sometimes deny it the visa, is that rare-- or common? Also, if she does go through all this, and then the visa application is denied, that matters: Guess what one of the questions is on the K1 visa application? “Have you ever been denied a visa to United States.” She will be marking ‘Yes’-- she did have a visa denied, which all of a sudden makes the K1 harder. (Might not strike it down-- but it is something to consider.) After I got this far-- I personally started to feel the deck was seriously stacked against getting this visa. I would be interested in hearing more, if you do move forward with it. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2007 8:45:43 AM   jonny1973: You write "Guess what one of the questions is on the K1 visa application? “Have you ever been denied a visa to United States.” She will be marking ‘Yes’-- she did have a visa denied, which all of a sudden makes the K1 harder. (Might not strike it down-- but it is something to consider.)" Well in my case the plot thickens condierably when you consider the possibility of a K-1 visa because we have already HAD ONE. That's right. I already BROUGHT HER OVER on a fiance visa, which has both potentially bad and good implications when considered here. THE BAD - The embassy will be fully aware that there was a claimed romantic interest between us, which could support the idea that there still is - and mught lend to a conclusion that this is just a ploy for a second chance. (Little disclaimer here. She really is a(n excellent actually) student in Moldova and she really does want to continue her education. And we have no plans or intention at this time to marry.) THE GOOD - She has been to America already and has a perfect track record of returning to Moldova (100%) on time and as promised. That might shine favorably on her application. jonny1973 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2007 10:12:01 AM   When talking to immigration attorneys, I have heard of people doing two K1's for the same person, but the circumstances were exreme. One had a parent pass away during the intial K1 period. For another, there was a 10-year gap between the first visa and the second. But, doing a K, and then a J, with you as the sponsor both times seems… diffficult. Ok, but you know how it is impossible to get a single Ukrainian girl a tourist visa? I sponsored a girl from Ukraine, and she got a tourist visa. 20 years old. Single. Pretty. Granted a tourist visa by the embassy in Kyiv. When my girlfriend was here on a K1, we wanted her best friend to be here. I wrote a letter of support for her friend, explaining to the embassy that she was to be the maid-of-honor in our wedding. I executed an affidavit of support. I explained that I was paying for her ticket and housing, as I believed was customary for a maid of honor. I said she would be here two weeks, and we would go to Washington D.C. after the wedding. The embassy in Kyiv granted her the visa. Six months validity. (It killed my girlfriend, becasue she had the K1, which took 180 days to get and was good for 90 days, and her friend—that her boyfriend sponsored-- got a visa that was valid for 6 months, and it took about 2 weeks to get.) It was valied for 6 months, though we only asked for two weeks-- and they actually printed 'Stated two weeks' on the visa. So, it is all talk until somebody tries it. They (we) say it is impossible to get a tourist visa. She got one. I say it is impossible to get the J visa.....and unfortunatly I still think it would be very unlikly....but it would be interesting to hear from somebody that has actually tried it, and isn’t just speculating, as I am. I didn’t intend this to be a cautionary tale. But…is your young woman wonderful? Mine was. To my regret, I didn’t marry my girl. Her friend returned to Ukraine, within the two weeks. My girl didn’t overstay her K1. She returned within her 90 days. And she doesn’t have to worry about getting another visa. She met someone with the good sense to marry her, and she has a new passport now--showing her new married name. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2007 11:17:02 AM   jonny1973: She was pretty wonderful - though we did have some problems as I have written elsewhere in this forum. Our situation was complicated by the death of a close family member during the application process. My 20 year old son was killed in a car accident on the day that one of our documents was approved. The devastation still was a factor of course four months later when she arrived. It did not help our chances for success. Both before and since we have considered a Tourist Visa - but have not tried for the same reasons you mention - the supposed impossibility of obtaining one, and the idea that a denial looks bad on the record. I am now faced with a BIG dilemma. We are no longer actually engaged or planning to marry of course, but we are still close and she would like to study in the US. We both acknowledge this and there is no disagreement. I care for her - but we have had serious problems and setbacks. Neither of us wants to jump headlong into commitment - but I wouldn't mind helping her with her schooling in exchange for companionship. I do enjoy her company MOST of the time. But I am not getting any younger - and I have dedicated the last 3+ years to my relationshipship with this girl. I have three weeks off during April - which I originally intended to use to attend a Romance Social (intended when I chose my vacation at the beginning of the year). SHe wants me to visit her (and provide gifts of course as I always do). If I do that of course I cannot prospect for anyone else. It will make it ticklish if I attend a Romance Social and meet someone else - and then expect to bring her over, even Platonically. A new love interest (needless to say) might not approve. And if this girl harbors any real interest in us really testing the waters again with each other - that becomes nearly impossible. This can only work if I DON'T meet anyone else at the Romance Social (not a likely possibility) or if forget about that and continue to pursue (and support) the same girl I have for three years - with a record of no real commitment. Time is a wastin' for me to make my decision. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2007 4:26:01 PM   Jet, "prenuptual agreement might work in theory - but at least one judge I spoke to told me that it could be easily thrown out of court if the girls simply stated that she did not understand what it meant" If I'd have a prenup (in your case I certainly would, no offence) then I'd also have her concurrently sign a document in her own lang stating she knows superbly well what's stated in the prenup, with an excellent translation of this prenup attached. I've read here jet, not all but enough to see the bottom line shimmer though. By all means try, one never knows and least of all me, but do me a favour? My first English text book was called "Look before you Leap"..... You see, there IS another obligation, the most difficult one, the moral one. Wish you well making your desicion, hope you'll know it ;-) jonny1973 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2007 7:13:11 PM   Jetmba, the pre-nup can stand-- but one couldn’t just shove any piece of paper in front of a young woman, have her sign it, and then expect it to hold up. It totally wouldn’t. But, there are approaches. First, before coming here, she should know about the pre-nup. Ideally, before she announces the engagement to her family, she will already know about the pre-nup. The reason is, she could otherwise reasonably be seen to have been under undo pressure to execute the pre-nup. You can see how this would play out I court. “You brought her to the United States, then told her if she didn’t sign the pre-nup, she would have to leave the country? Your Honor! That is coercion! She was coerced into signing it!” People have had otherwise solid pre-nups thrown out because they were sprung on their fiancées after the wheels of the wedding were in motion. If you drop a pre-nup on someone the day before the wedding, even to an American partner, it should be expected that it would be thrown out-- because they already mailed out the invitations, had all their family coming, etc.etc. It was too late, in some ways, for them to back out. Lots of external pressure on them to get married at that point. Her not knowing about the pre-nup before coming to America could be the same thing. Ok, so she should know about the pre-nup before coming to America. Then, in America, she should have her own lawyer. You have yours, she has hers. If you want it to hold up. (Even then, it can be an issue-- because who paid for her lawyer? You did. Ideally she would have enough money socked away (a gift from you, from long before she came?) that she would use as her own money to pay the attorney.) jonny1973 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2007 7:15:50 PM   Ah-- of course, the document needs to be in Russian and English. Or, <Poof!> Easy to throw out. Really, to help the chances of it stand up, you could: 1.) Get a pre-nup drafted in America. Or a document stating that there will be a pre-nup, to be finalized when in America. 2.) Get it translated into Russian. 3.) Take that to her, and have her sign it as a draft in her home country. It says that there will be a pre-nup, to be finalized in America before the wedding. 4.) Then, when she comes to America, she gets an attorney. 5.) Your attorney and her attorney hash out the final version. 6.) It is translated into Russian. She understands everything. Probably good to videotape the execution of the documents, in an office where both of you have your attorney present, and she totally and clearly says she understands what it says. 7.) You both sign. (As far before the wedding date as possible.) That might hold up. I can recommend a book: “No-Lo Prenuptial Agreements. How to write a Fair and Lasting contract.” It is actually a good book for couples. If my wife was a native speaker, I would go through this book with her. It covers so many financial things that really should be discussed, and it covers them in an open and positive way. It is very open, and friendly for couples. By the way, I was so worried about my assets, that I didn’t marry my girl. Now she is married to someone else, and I am on this board. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2007 7:29:14 PM   Jet, Read your post with much interest, much better than anything on the tube! My feeling on the issue is you have had 3+ years with this girl, correct?, it that if you haven't married her by now, it will never happen. If you have to think about it, it's not really there, sorry. It is very nice of you to want to help her in her schooling, I applaude you for that but sometimes you have to make the tough decision and just let go. You are trying to force a round ball into a square hole.Move on and get your life going again. Just my thoughts from the outside. Good luck on whatever you decide, tough decision! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > The Student Visa Option
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