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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > plastic operation costs Author Post loopy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/5/2004 8:39:28 AM   hi, I wonder whether anybody can tell me about this story? I met a girl in kiev, and since then my wallet is getting thinner and thinner ...... lately smb. pushed her from a bus and she had broken her nose, deluged her face, etc. I'm told!!!! her friend(female) asking me for $1000 contribution to a plastic operation. the whole nose thing costs all together $2000. it's in a private clinic virtus, kiev. I mean their website has got list of how much everything costs, however to me it looks like like a hoax/scam!!!! is it normal for anybody being hit on the street to end up in a private clinic instead of normal hospital which is covered from your insurance, with this sort of high prices. I have sent her flowers by using an agent, no chance, she doesn't want to see anybody. her agency is waiting for a prove .... the girl itself says she doesn't want any money from me, saying she was very upset after I told her her friend demands/talking about $2000 worth of repairs .... anybody can tell me what I can do in this situation? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/5/2004 9:13:51 AM   loopy, you're very likely being scammed as you've already figured. Please look for advice at another post named: "Possible fraud??" authored by "200 camaro" (ignore the negative comments posted by some and focus on positive ones). Good luck and please feel free to ask any questions. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/5/2004 9:29:11 AM   I've got a friend I met in Odessa. He met a thirty two year old Ukrainian that he fell head over heels for. First of all - though we were advised not to bring an engangement ring (women tend to "lose them" and ask for another) he did. Of course the woman lost it and asked for another. Next she lied about the number of times she had acually been married (one of the marriages was to secure an apartment on Odessa). Next she claimed that she was attacked by three teenagers while going out for smokes one night and hospitalized. She has since entirely "lost her memory" and is asking for money on a regular basis as she is completely hospitalized. A translator he befriended and trusts completely to discover the truth I am convinced is completely in on the charade. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/5/2004 10:21:28 AM   Some of these are not even clever tricks. You can have a local attorney check her identity for about $100. If you are close to giving her a ring and you're not sure about the girl, it may be worthwhile to have a local detective do a full investigation on her for about $800-1000 (they'll give a full report). This is money well spent as opposed to money wired for lessons, operations, and all kinds of "innovative" tricks. The advice is: be suspicious, use your judgement. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/5/2004 10:30:03 AM   Trouble is this guy is absolutely convinced that the girl is for real and so in the translator he trusts. He will not "waste" a dime (as he puts it to investigate. Though I have sympathy for him I must admit he is not veru bright. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/5/2004 5:15:24 PM   w-trav and who is to say the local detective is not a scammer either. the local cops in kyiv got their 100 dollars from me. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 9:25:10 AM   jmoluv, I think if you ask the help of a reputable agency like fiance.com, they have feet on the ground, they should be able to help you in this regard. At the end, it is your own judgment that matters. Don't go to the other extreme where you doubt everything and everybody regardless of the evidence. I don't believe there is a holy grail. It is mostly uncharted territory, it requires persistence, good judgement, some luck, and it may cost quite a bit of money. P.S. The people that I dealt with for services in Ukraine were all very nice. Exception one agent who overcharged me for something, but none was scamming me. They're no all of them thieves. Most people in the business are just trying to make a buck and make ends meet. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 12:14:54 PM   Loopy, YES, chances that you're being scammed are high. And to emphasize what Wtrav02 said above, realize thaqt the scamming is the product of YOUR error in judgement for whatever reasons. If it turns out that way, do your best to own up to it, chalk it up to the "another expensive lesson in life" file and move on to the next honest ladies that are all over FSU. Good luck, toad loopy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 1:50:36 PM   thanx for your contributions. well, I think the accident has really happened. from my judgement. i still migh be wrong. and my impression is that the girl demanding the money thought 'coze I'm from the west I might be capable of paying anything for my 'dear' .... unfortunatelly it's not so! I've phoned both of them and explained that all this is a nonsense, me sending money without any prove ..... and my dear says recently that she has found a new doctor, not asking for any money ..... I have to say, she has never asked me for any!!!! I still trust her, even something is dodgy about her friend!!!! I'm sure I'll find out soon or later!!!! my dear was was very upset of her friends behaviour, apologising, and explaining she is a good friend, looking after her ..... question is whether she understands the difference in between a friend for money and friends love towards my dear whether her friendship is for real, or whether she does it with a vision of making money from her boyfriend!!!! I feel like I don't have to pay anything anyway as we are not married yet, we are not living together, we met just only once, I think there is no reason of me jumping from this relationship, yet!!! GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 2:21:47 PM   JUMP!!!! Why get involved with someone who condones friends like that? If any of my friends would try to extort ANY favors from the woman I am interested in, he would not be my friend very long....and he would end up with far fewer teeth, as well. toad wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 3:07:40 PM   loopy, you're doing the right thing. Would you ever ask a woman that you haven't even met in person to give you money? Be cautious some are "asking" money it in a delicate manner, i.e. without actually asking you for money. They may try to exploit your feelings. What some women are looking for is sponsorship. It may begin with the payments for the doctor, then it's something else and so on, and before you know it becomes a practice you sending her money. Enough women in these countries are girlfriends of rich, local married or unmarried men and live on the "stipend" that they receive from these men, they depend on them, ie. where the term sponsorship came from. You should always run away from discussions about money. Also, prioritize your time, there are many prospects out there that are real. Even if you're a smart guy and you don't give them money for nothing, why waste your time on the fake ones? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 3:09:10 PM   oops very important typo: "loopy, you're NOT doing the right thing ...". I repeat the same: JUMP OFF!!! loopy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 4:57:29 PM   wtrav02, I forgot to mention I met the girls, both of them, they are real. very, very sad!!! wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 5:00:30 PM   loopy, good luck whatever you do have fun it can't hurt! loopy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 5:06:42 PM   i'm gonna be carefull & wise!!! no money. no exploiting. I think I researched the topic thoroughly!!! now I know what can I expect what is it about!!! I agree with a toad, it was my mistake of judgement, I take full responsibility for that!!! I mean everybody makes mistakes at some stage. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 5:10:00 PM   live and learn, that's all we can do loopy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 5:19:47 PM   toad, there is another detail, my girl lives in the other girl house or appartment, I'm told, so she must comply with some domestic rules, I guess!!! some sort of diplomacy is required at this stage!!!! she is a student, no money. I assume. nowhere to go. I reckon they even stay together in one room, and when I talk to her on the phone the other girl is listening ..... that's what would I do after I found out about my dodgy flatmate messing around!!! just say they are nice!!! I mean women are women. u never know what to do with them. they are unpredictable! sometimes u need to talk to them and change them in their directions .... which has happened, she has changed her doctor, some sort of development. As I said from now I'm gonna be carefull! GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2004 5:45:40 PM   Hummmm....you might end up having to take them both, lol. loopy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/6/2005 3:35:53 PM   I would like to put right my accusations about the scam with plastic operation I put on this site. I met this lady again. She went through a very bad trauma thanx to my misunderstanding ...... I now understand that I made her very unhappy and could lose a very precious relationship. I have been given a chance to fix it again!!!! after I've been explained what happened ....... well, the true story is that she couldn't breath and so for her friend was asking me for help, not demanding money. I was blind and didn't listen properly. I have to say I lost her trust by refusing to help, puting the story on the net, asking other people for confirmations, etc. I have learnt that I have made a mistake and now I'm trying to put it back!!!! save the relationship. anyway, I'm told, that going into a normal hospital would take many days waiting on a waiting list, not saying there is a high percentage or need to bribe smb. to get things moving .... so for, unavoidable costs anyway!!!! this is not about a scam, this is about how difficult it was for me to understand in what situation u can get when u happen to have an accident. so, in summary, this is not about demanding money. this about smb.'s being unfortunate and trying to help themselves to fix the problem in every possible way. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/6/2005 4:58:06 PM   Loopy, Say now, just assume for a moment, don't take this personal... You're a scammer, making a living out of virtual suitors who're gullible enough to send you money because of some nice photo's, some genereic dribblings you mail them, and of course also stories you spin them. Internet-costs nobody will believe anymore these days, also robberies cannot happen too aften, but accidents and surgery etc are potential BIG contributors to your income. Now that also spreads like wildfire, and the guys are getting aware of this trick. What better than posting on a forum like this that such cases indeed CAN be possible? Nobody will argue, and to rub it in you, after posting, come back later and tell the world it was true, not a scam, fully above board and etc, making all true and believable. Point taken, news will spread, income will continue. Shall I tell you 1 thing? I don't believe your email addy (d@yahoo.com), in fact it's impossible, and with it you have chucked the believability of this thread. I don't believe a thing of what you've posted here, I think it's a scam!! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > plastic operation costs
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