Remember the Nails' classic "88 Lines About 44 Women"?
Well, here's "64 Lines About 32 Russian Women, sung to the same tune...
Svetlana was an Ice Queen from Murmansk, she held out till the end.
Natasha was a different type, she's the one who put it in.
Larissa had been to Turkey, and I was afraid of a girl like that.
Oksana posed in front of rugs on walls, sitting with her cat.
Viktoria was a proud girl, and really liked to tout it.
Katya was inquisitive, kept asking “what do you think about it?”
Zhanna had a special way of saying “it’s a pity.”
Vera just kept asking me “when will you visit my city?”
Ludmilla’s family kept getting sick, operations for this, hospitals for that.
Irina wanted a cell phone and a computer so we could chat.
Tatiana only needed $1,800 cash for airfare and a cab.
Yelena’s point of view was this: take whatever you can grab.
Marina was another girl who took me for a sap.
Liliya liked to tie me up, and left me hanging by a strap.
Galina ran a business, with several apartments to rent us.
Valentina was the sweetest thing, but really needed a dentist.
Ulyana baked tasty cakes, and wanted clever children.
Anna liked strong families, but needed a man to build one
Aleksandra was a doctor, and really expected a lot
Julia showed me round her town, and where the Great patriotic War was fought.
Anastasia, who knew no shame, was never, ever satisfied.
Julie came and went so fast, she didn't even say good-bye.
Natalya rode the train, but left me at the station.
Nadya said she’d meet my plane, but then went on vacation.
Elena took me to a restaurant, where she promptly ate six courses.
Lyubov cooked meal upon meal, as if she were feeding horses.
Mira “worked like an economist” and lived in Vladivostok.
Masha studied language at a University in Novopolotsk.
Evgenia hated every thing I wore, tried to put me into suits.
Inna always dressed to kill, especially those high-heeled snakeskin boots.
Angelina was no angel, she really got me pissed.
Olga, here's a kiss, I chose you to end this list.
It was sent to me by someone who has a lot of experience of Russia and who has far too much time on his hands! I felt it was worthy of posting, for it's humour and to highlight certain truths...
There is not one 'Perfect Slavic Woman' as some men may come to believe, from reading profiles or agency hype.
I just joined. My name is Doug Salem. I am not using an alias or handle, as I have nothing to hide. I happened to be doing a Yahoo search for something else and ended up finding this message board by accident. I was surprised to see my work on here, as I am the author of "64 Lines About 32 Russian Women." QuietCharm, I forgive you for lifting it and will stick to that old maxim about imitation (or let's say replication in this case) being the sincerest form of flattery). Whatever became of the Nails anyway?
I am a member of several other message boards and Yahoo groups about Russian women, but had never heard of this one. I don't recognize any of the email handles here. Do I know any of you guys from the other groups? Do you know me?
For those of you who don't, I will introduce myself. I am 47 years old. I live in Southern California (native). I have been married to my beautiful Russian wife, Olga (hence the name of the last girl in the song), 27 years old, for five years. We are very happy. Olga is from Krivoy Rog, Ukraine. We were 40 and 20 years old, respectively, when we met. I was married to an American woman in an earlier life, but divorced young and with no children. Olga had never been married and had no children. We are expecting our first child, a "leetil geerl" (per Olga's Mom) February 9 and are very excited about it.
I would like to participate in this group, but would like to know what your policies are about advertising. There may be a conflict of interest, so if the web site owner or a moderator is reading this, please advise. Those of you who know me from the other groups know that I am a writer and that I try to write articles about my experiences with Olga and her family that are both informative and entertaining. I also try to give advice to newbies - advice that tends to rub a lot of guys the wrong way because my style is to throw cold water on dreamers, fantasizers, and those in denial - to give them reality checks. Why? because I strongly feel like the Western men's tendency to give in to dreaming, fantasy, and denial when it comes to courting and marrying Russian women is the single biggest cause of failure in these relationships. Failures that unfairly result in accusations of "scam!"
In return for my writing labors I usually try to plug my wife's little translation and flower and gift delivery business. Also, she has a Yahoo group called Ask Olga and Friends that is a dear Abby style advice column on which Western men ask (tasteful) questions about courting and marrying Russian women. The questions are answered (equally tastefully) by our panel of "advisors" - six Russian women who have been happily married to western men for four years or more.
Please let me know if it's O.K. for me to post on this group and plug Olga's business ocassionally. I have a lot of good material (stories) about Russian women I can put up here. Along those lines, please let me know if you have already seen it all on the other groups, in which case putting it up here might be rendundant and over-saturation.
My sugestion is to help people out and leave the plug in there private email address as fiance.com does offer these services they will not want open advertising. I do know that if the content is relivant they will usually allow some name dropping. Just no open sales pitches. We welcome you and are intersted as well in the panel of women as we have a few that post here but not that many that have completed the journey. Again we welcome you and look forward to any information you would like to share.
I cannot speak for everyone but sense your input will be invaluable. Even if something has been posted on another site, there are people who will not have seen it and sometimes when topics drop off the radar, it is worth resurrecting them. Post away!
You mean unrealistic expectations are not the sole preserve of the western female? Tell us more…
I have been to the FSU twice, for 2 months, (St.P & Moscow) so am not completely wet behind the ears but cannot claim to know the Russian female mind. I don’t even know my own! :-) Any insights would be useful.
I note the age difference between you and Olga and am impressed that you are together after 7 years. Seems they don’t all run off. Congratulations on the impending birth. I know what a joy that will be. :-))
You and I are the same age and my own thinking has been, even though I have been contacted by several younger ladies, to stick with women aged 31-35. I am going to the Ukraine in the spring for the first time and am able to stay awhile and have a good look around. So far, only Odessa is on the list.
Thanks for the welcome. I will do my best to disseminate my information and opinions without pissing off too many people. But there is a lot to be said about the unrealistic expectations of Western men pursuing Russian wives. It is our biggest downfall. The key to success is getting real.
QuietCharm, there might be a problem with the age group of women you are considering, depending on your own personal situation. I can elaborate on this if you wish. Do you have any children from a previous marriage? This is a very importnat consideration when it comes to age gaps.
Shaggy, unfortunately I can not bring Olga's "panel" of happily married Russian women over here. They won't have anything to do with discussion groups where lonely, frustrated Western bachelors are permitted to run amok, say whatever they want, argue, flame, etc. They are much too lady-like for that. And this why this group, as well as all of the other groups with the same format ("men's groups') can't attract substantial input from the right kind of Russian women. (Those that have been successful finding happiness with Western husbands. Those that are TRULY happy.)
That is why I came up with the special format of Ask Olga and Friends. It provides a friendly environment for the Russian women advisors. A lot of guys who are used to having their way and flaming each other on these men’s groups don’t like it because; well because they can’t go around pissing on fire hydrants. Other guys really like it because they get to hear the unadulterated opinions of, and get advice from, real, live Russian women who are happily married to Western men. You just have to get used to the format, which is asking your question (gentlemanly worded), then letting the women advisors do the talking while you LISTEN. Even with the Russian woman-friendly format, Olga and I had a hell of a time rounding up our crew of Russian women advisors.
Here is the URL for that group. That’s my lovely wife, Olga on the home page. She is the group owner and namesake.
When you first said you are my age, i was thnking you meant you are the age I was when I started looking for a Russian wife - 40.
So now that I have figured out that you meant you are you are 47, and that you have two kids who don't live with you - one who is fully grown and another about halfway, I think you are looking in the right age range.
You should be O.K. taking on a Russian wife between 31-35 years old. So long as you realize she will come with a child of her own - most likely a 10 to 12 year old. That will add an extra layer of complexity to the whole deal. Not just in gettinh them out of FSU, but in getting them settled in and adapted to a life in the West. There are a lot of unique issues with the triangular relationships of the Russian single Moms, their kids, and their new Western husbands; moreso that just the usual doemstic Brady Bunch type unions. You ough to look into this a little bit and talk to some other guys who have done it successfully.
Your living in Portugal will make it easier, as that will be an easier environment and lifestyle for them to adapt to.
If you are willing to have yet another child with your new Russian wife, you might try looking for a 30-year old Russian women who has no children yet. It will be like finding a needle in a haystack, but it is not impossible. Also, there may be health issues involved. They do not have the same level of preventive medicine over there, especially when it comes to female-type stuff, and the prime reproductive years for Russian women are between 18 - 25. many of the older women come with complications in this area.
But again, it is not impossible. you will just have to look harder.
I recommend the latter. Not because I want to ruin your retirement plans, but because I think you will have an easier go of it and a more positive experience.
Either way, just do your homework.
One of the advisors on AOAF, Irina Marhel, who is married to a Canadian guy, is about 30 years old and came with a seven year old daughter. She and her Western husband have been married about three years now, so the little girl must be about 10. They just had a child together. They have a very good marriage. you might try getting to know her hsuband via email. He's a nice guy and helpful. Could probably give you some good information about the whole kid thing. You can read more about them in the "Advisor's Bios" section of AOAF.