From women that are listed as email with agency they keep telling me that they are charged to return mail to me and of course if I am serious about them then maybe I could help out a little with the cost. Fiance has told me that there is no cost for them to return mail to VIP members with agency email. Lets here from the masses. Of course this lady is one of the Miss Wows and the second in a few weeks to say this to me. What do we think scam! I must say I do. I have made the proper inquires to fiance to investigate but again I smell a rat!
yes, agencies must provide correspondence for free. the may charge ladies for been member of their agency. besides letters, agencies provide different services. BUT, please report to admin all such cases. what agency try to do: they use fiance.com for free advertisement of the service. and try to get you to pay them directly for mail forwarding services. they are not allowed to do it. they must provide service free of charge for you if lady is on fiance.com. shaggy, please email me also.
Oh you guys should hear the crap I just got told!....I am not a man because I want to cause her trouble she rights over 50 cents the cost of her trip to the agency she says. If she wrote to me only it would be no problem but as she is a Miss Wow I wonder how many poor suckers fall for it. She stated it cost her for each letter before and now it is the trasportaion and translation cost...well lets see what she says next. Can you say scam with a capital S!
Oleg I have reported someone for that before wanting me to pay to have her mail forwarded and to join her service and my reply from fiance.com was that was ok to advertise there service. I will try to find the letter and forward it to you. Thanks for clearing it up so quickly! Do tell us about the agency as they had to know this was going on in the letters they translate. She was on the spot for her reply to me earlier and they had to know.
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"...I am not a man because ........"
(quoted from above)
The question about a 'Real Man' has been discussed before. I think the general concensus was that the definition varied widely.
So, I am a Man, because I say I am.
Obviously, any female who disagrees has the freedom to go and find somebody else.
Oleg, you are correct they used that statement in the letter that they would be pulling her from the site but I know she was listed several more weeks. Sorry for the misunderstanding your letter was correct it just did not tell me why it was ok. It makes more sense to me now.
I bet if you look at past occurances they send in a patsy who crams her way to the Miss Wow and then tells everyone to join her agency and leaves...you might want to reconcider that one oleg!
shaggy you seem to be on a mission with this...lots of comments from you around the site. As someone who has been on my own mission, I understand your desire to improve the service. Perhaps, once you have finished your investigations you could produce a post condensing everything you think members should be aware of.
How soon before you have written to every lady??? ;-))
q.c.
you write very excellent threads. you are as i see more spiritual than statistical information. you make a good contribution in your own right. and then there is shag. his contribution is digging deep into the written so called facts we look at . and he uncovers quite a bit that most members wont challenge to these agencies. i dont have enough time to tell you how many women i have seen on this site with dual names and profiles between fiance and the numerous agencies in the former fsu. some men here just cant swallow that big pill. it happens so much , WHY?
They really charge women and as much as $30 a months. Compare it with average income in Novosibirsk ($100). Read the statement from marriage agency manage (felicedate)
who works with fience.com
felicedate, post in “woman who replies without reading letters”
in his poster he wrote:
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We have several clients that are extremely frustrated because in a year(!) they had up to 20 cases when a man appeares , writes, reads asks her telephone number and so on and finally either dissapeares or she really askes him "What next?" and he decides that he is not ready for thisserious step in this life, he is too young(some 45:-) or has no money and so on... Well by the way, for some reasons many men start all this even not realizing that all the process will cost not less than some 10.000. I have met many such "business owners" who finally informed the girl that they are no longer able to pay 30$ a month for the fiance.com membership and want her to use private e-mail. What is sad that most girls really do not understand what it means and agree to pay themselves not to lose the person whom they really began to like...
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Tha t means that they do not allow woman to use her private e-mail. All the correspondence goes through agency and she does not really know your e-mail. She gets only letters through agency. May be they read it through the phone to she. Ask her if she knows your e-mail?
They deliberately misinterpret for her you desire to stop looking for another girls and stop paying $30 for fiency.com as your non serious. They said to woman that you need to pay $30 for right to correspond with her. It is agencies like Felicedate’s who pushed woman to ask for money and who create spumers.
Guys yes I have had too much time on my hands and I practically live with this forum open and often find the time to comment. I am very serious in this matter and as a emplimentor personallity type I over research and plan the things that are in the front of my mind and finding a wife at this time is heavily up front of many things...lol.
Just to let you know I have writen to a couple of hundred women. 74 of these women never returned my email. Some I emailed again and nothing. My original intention was not to write so many but as I said there was a delay in the first few weeks and I kept trying new pics....lol. Needless to say I was suddenly flooded with letters and to date I have exchanged over 800 letters out and about 750 responses. I currently only write about 20. Only a couple that I feel we have any future but when anyone writes me I send them a genuine hand writen letter back. Sure there are parts copied and pasted but each one is unique and answers all questions and comments. You guys know me little gets by. I am a computer guy with too much time on my hands a good knowledge of the possible feats of this service as well.
I have determined the abuse we mostly see is agencies running there miss wow people in, writting a few hundred people then telling them they are leaving and to subscribe to there agencies. I have experienced many more agencies than fiance.com and my reason for being here is the forum and the people I have met that are good and honest. I am compiling data but only sharing what I feel I have some evidence or experience to share. Maybe it would be a good Idea. I have other sites that have great info but out of respect I have not posted them here if anyone is interested feel free to contact me personally. I still think this one is a good one for getting to see what is out there and lately they have been very cooperative in ending some of these problems in a proactive matter. Thanks I try as I think human nature especially in the west is to build and make better. Its why we are where we are today!
Bagira I would love to here more as I know as well several times that I felt the letter to my lady was not complete as well as the return. In some cases after phone calls we found we were correct. I have had very little luck getting better info about those agencies. But yes I saw where felice said they do censor letters and that is plain wrong. Remember ladies you can list yourself with fiance.com and avoid the agency but then again you have to have computer access. We love your input and hope you will continue to help us make an honest endevor of this grand search for love and happiness.
I'm writing with a lady, I had to ask her a few times about her letters before she admitted the agency translate, she said she pays for translation but didn't mention she pays for the actual writing and transmission of the email.
I've only been around this site a short time, I haven't been asked by a lady for money .... yet, but from experience and after a few letters, some will give you the silent treatment, as soon as you go chasing them, which you are meant to do, they may tell you they have no money to write etc.
I did get spammed by an agency in SPb the other morning, 5 'supposed' ladies, all from SPb, wrote to me within 30 minutes of each other. I guess they're saving on transportation in SPb, they go to the agency by the bus load!
Do these agencies think we're stupid or what? It's obviously the agency writing the letters!
Yes I have seen several similar things. Many though come in bulk form the same agency as the translation process but if they are all canned it sounds like you might have them nailed. That is one of the reasons I posted here is my information tells me our membership should cover the return letters and translation if the lady is on fiance.com as Oleg has said. If they are not then most likely they are pulling your leg. My experience has also been that many women have better english skills than listed. My new mantra is I do not trust those that I cannot talk to. I have found that some ladies have had trouble getting there number to me as it seems it was left out of many translations before I got it and then once we spoke she left the agency because of the censoring of our letters. We do not have as long a letter but we now know what is said truly came from the other person. Like any other big bussiness or city beware as there is always someone who thinks they are a little smarter than the system.
Bagira, nothing is free in this world. agency business to make money on providing services. they charge ladies for services. if lady has her private email there is no problem for her to start using a lot of sites for free. some ladies go to the agency even if they have internet access, just to get started and get advise. agency should provide addres infomration and should not edit letters. they must srtive to provide exelent service so ladies will keep using it, even having their own email.
Olegnay,
So you confirm that agency do not give woman guy's privet e-mail and push them to ask for money from man for this seivice? So agencies creat spammers?