I seem to remember that a long time ago I have read in one of the old threads that a gentleman or more were taking computers to their ladies so they could connect via internet rather than internet cafe or agency. I don't know how computers look in russia, but since the alphabet is different it seems either the ladies know how to type in English or my memory is wrong. Any insight would be appreciated, as I am thinking about setting her up to communicate directly. Does anyone know about prices for computers in FSU, and cost of internet service?
In two weeks I will be bringing a laptop to my girl in Russia. She had an old computer, but..... now it is gone. On her old computer she had purchased a special keyboard that had both cryllic and English letters. Most computers I saw over there had these combination keyboards. Fortunately she is very good with English so she will have no problem with my laptop. I hope we can plug in her keyboard to the laptop.
Computers are more expensive there, and on a previous trip I brought over an HP 1210 all in one printer in my suit case.
Her internet provider was a prepaid deal. You purchased time, I think it was something like 10 hours for 200 rubles. but I don't remember for sure.
A good machine somewhere around PV 2000 with 256mb flash, 80Gigs of harddrice and some decent video card plus Samsung 17' monitor is around 500-600$, add about 200 for different stuff like web-cam, printer, modem, scanner. To my mind it doesn't seem too expencive. Besides all the software here is butleg and on a disc that costs 2-3$ you can find a collection worth thousands in the US.
All over the world people use keybords with two sets of letters on them that are switched between by pressing Ctrl-Shift. I would make your laptop Russian-speaking:-) in 10 minutes with the help of installing a couple fonts and putting special stickers on the keys. Not a big deal.
Internet will be from 30 to 50$ a month for a daily user, now there are offers taking which you can cut this to some 20$ a month. Unlimited connection is usually around 80-100 a month and a broadband is around 150-200 a month.
I checked prices in my girls town, and I never saw any deals nearly that good. All prices were much higher. Perhaps the better deals can be found in the bigest cities, or perhaps I was not looking in the right shops. Even my girl does not know where to find these deals.
The keyboards usually go with 2 alphabets, Russian and English. In Ukraine it is the same, but it is possible to type Ukrainian, because the majority of the letters is the same, only some letters differ, so it is easy to change language.
In my city we have such a system with Internet, you put some money onto your account, and then you start using Internet. They count the traffic you used, from 6 up to 15 cents for a megabite.
shaggy47435 :) Well the prices are like that, for any Internet you use. Have to admit that it is very nice for home usage, as at home at least me don't use that much Internet, so this is fine with me:) If only the Internet service would work better...as sometimes the cables are cut by some idiots, or the wind, rain and snow can break the work of Internet. So sometimes need to wait for some hours before the Internet works back again:)
Neonred. I do not know what city you were at but in all more or less big cities in the European part of Russia, Belarus, Ukraine prices are almost the same. In Moscow there are companies that can sell you a comp with above mentioned configuration for about 280-300$. Plus a monitor will be about 140$. But for this really one should know places!;-)
What can I tell... The one who seeks will find... You were visiting the wrong shops.
I got my girl a nice computer for $1,100. She picked it out herself over there and I seen it while I was visiting last time. She got a 40 gig harddrive 256mbram and a 17" flatscreen monitor with an XP OS. Very nice pc, but I could have got it cheaper here in the states. Its got the keyboard with both letters, I used it without any problems. Internet is very different from here. You gotta click the modem then dial up on the phone, wait for the signal and then your online. Its 56k dialup though, dreadfully slow compared with what I am used to. But if your an a budget you can spend about $500 and have what you need.
Well, beeing a computer guy I will give you approximate price for the parts of the computer and let you count yourself. To my mind, I would buy a good laptop with the same characteristics for that 1,100.
Now let's count:
OK. Lets plus all the rest necessary stuff:
modem
Genius 56 K V90 GM56PCI-L (Lucent 1646) 20
speakers
Sven/ SPS-818 subwoofer 18W+10W*2/4+3*2 34
printer
Canon I-250 72
scanner
Mustek Bearpaw 1200CU Plus 50
web and low resolution combined camera(enough to make decent pictures also)
Mustek WCAM 300A 23
That looks good. I was in Rostov, and I was looking in major retail shops and the telephone/internet store. At the time I was not very serious about buying, just looking. I did see ads in Moscow for the deals you speak about. I will be bringing over my old laptop anyway as I don't need it and she does. I did look seriously for the HP printer and could not find it close to the price I paid in the US. And fortunately most laptops and printers sold here in the US are dual voltage. All I needed was the $3 coversion plug. Good info however.
just got a 2ghz pentium m celeron, 1gig ram, 128mb 9800 radeon with wuxga widescreen, internal wireless card and dvd/rw for about 1200 and thats just my laptop. I can build what you described for even less than the price you described. But the pc that I described for her is what she wanted, so she got it. If your on a budget than yes its a good idea to shoparound, luckily I dont have that problem =)
Crash, very good price for the laptop. The matter is that laptops are not made in this part of the world and mostly come from the US or Japan. Imagine what it adds to the price. As for the price for this PC I have just taken the nearest company price and took everything from there. We used to get the best prices in Moscow, there it can be bought 15%-20% cheaper.
Anyway your notebook is pretty good although it is Celeron.:-)
for a laptop I suppose any uP will do, simply because it's a portable and only used when needed to - who really needs speed then?
But I was so stupid to save small-change only and bought a Celeron for the office, and a month later a 'real' P4 for myself at home. Same speeds (2.4G), but in January I'll 'upgrade' (meaning: scrap the MB and buy a new P4-one) the Celeron because this el-cheapo chip is dreadfully slow, and also, with the exact same OS (XPHome + SP2), it displays slight errors/hickups the P4 never ever does. And no, both of them clean as a fiddle, I'm not the only one who's dumping a Celeron for a P4.
But Crash, you surprise me - you're US, and I was in the understanding that Celerons were made for developing markets which will make-do with an emulating chip, i.e. I thought it was not really sold in the US. Buy the real thing next time, you really will be doing yourself a BIG favour :)
For those who want REAL speed: buy a HD with the serial link & on-disk buffer. Lightning-quick, in fact unbelievably so, that old-fashioned bus/flat-cable stands zero chance! Yeah, the MB has to be laid out for it, but they're there.
And, eh, Crash - what you did there at her place is called a 'dial-up' ;-))
Dreadfully slow? No ways man, it's all I've got, and 56K is zooming! So you see, you're spoilt with your broadband and fibers and all, but you'll be surprised to hear we also have 'wireless' sometimes.
You see, cables contain copper, and thieves steal them.... ;-)))
JJ, shop around there is my advice, or have her doing it. If you're wealthy you even can have this lot home-delivered to her, just be prepared to cough. You're interested in hardware only. Any software is available, cheap and pirated, in fact it is abundant. Russian OS's, multiple language-settings, any font you like, and switching between them is as easy as FD says. If you go visit and will be lost with Cyrillics on her screen it even is possible to load the English-OS you're used to, and having this option has another advantage - she could get used to this, I suppose handy for when she comes to you. One 'new' thing less to get used to, or rather she could do this at home.
Thanks for all the advice. I don't know that speed is so much the issue for e-mailing, I am more concerned with the reliability of phone lines and phone service. As I had mentioned in another thread, actually getting a connection is somewhat of a hit or miss lately, and it doesn't seem to get better. I hope that after the holidays it will calm down again.
Just got back from across the pond again. Felice, went looking all over the city for that phantom computer you wrote about here. Guess what... doesnt exist at that price. Maybe you can tell me in detail where I can find a machine like that. and that laptop works very well for what I use it for. In fact it works so good I bought a few more for my company. My downloads clock at close to 500/K per sec. sometimes quicker. If you think 56k can match that then I have some property in alaska at a geat price! contact me for details.