I have finally terminated my search for a Russian bride. Here are the reasons. I am an American citizen working in South Africa on a temporary assignment. I have posted my profile in the Russian media twice, once while still in the US and once while living in South Africa. I also contacted a huge number of the more attractive girls posted on Russian bride sites. While I was living in the US, the response was overwhelming and included a high proportion of very sexy young things. Without exception the pretty girls who responded turned out to be scammers. (The majority of pretty girls did not respond). While living in South Africa, I got responses from a very different kind of Russian woman. More mature, far less attractive, and all of them seemed quite sincere. Not a single one that I could classify as a known or probable scammer. Keep in mind that it is very easy to get a Russian woman to visit you in South Africa. Visa and ticket scammers rarely target men from this country. Also realise that a South African passport is not very desirable. This protects SA residents against green card fraud. Suddenly everything made much more sense! I only got responses from girls that were really interested in me! And I was not very impressed with those! Personally, I feel that I will rather court SA girls while I am on assignment here. Despite what the Russian bride industry tells you, Anglo-Saxon girls are much much more attractive than Russian girls.I am in a position to make a comparison because I have travelled Russia extensively. With Anglo-Saxon girls you have the benefit that their home language and culture is the same as yours. Very few women here have that jaded, materialistic and feministic attitude, and they actually do like us Americans for what we are. They are also not desperate to leave their home country. If you are not into Anglo-Saxon, there are large Greek, Portuguese, Jewish and Italian communities here. The Afrikaans speaking ladies are lovely too, some are still innocent and have good values. Indian ladies are real gems, just keep in mind that Indians are very successful and among top income earners, so you will not find a single desparate one. But IMHO if you are trying to bend the rules of the dating game by "rescuing" a pretty girl from a desparate situation like in Russia YOU WILL OPEN THE DOORS FOR A SCAM.
My experience with the Russian Bride Mega-Industry: - No pretty girls are available. Most are just stolen pictures / identities. Those pretty pics are abtained by advertising in the Russian media for free photo portfolios (I HAVE SEEN THOSE ADS!). Innocent girls have their photos taken, and sign a release form to allow their photos to be used on the internet for marketing purposes. MOST DO NOT KNOW THAT THESE PICTURES ARE GOING TO END UP ON RUSSIAN BRIDE SITES. You can buy the contact details of these girls, but they are not going to be interested in you, and their addresses are sold thousands of times to naive men like you and me. Beautiful women are scare (in Russia and everywhere else) and they are well cared for in any society including Russia. There are just enough upcoming young oligarchs in Russia to take care of their beautiful women. These men are modern, young, dynamic, powerful and filthy rich in a country with a low cost of living. They live in Russia and understand the conditions and culture there. No middle aged American man is going to compete.
There is also the professional date phenomenon. A pretty girl who gets a kick back from her agency to appear on a dating site, meet visiting men or to attend socials arranged by a romance tour company. Prostitution is often a part of this game. Some are not prostitutes but accept dates with visiting western men and go back to their boyfriends afterwards.
The portrayal of Russian men by the Russian bride industry as drunken male chauvinist pigs not interested in long term relationships is dishonest. On my travels I have met enough fine young Russian men to convince me that Russian women really interested in relocating to the west are the fat, dull looking loosers described by Bill.
The big irony in all of this is that I have not met my dream wife in Russia, but I now count a number of fine Russian males and married couples as friends ...
I met my dream girl in Russia and I found her here on fiance.com.
I guess you were looking in the wrong places. She is pretty and succesful. Also, I just came back from Spain where we spent more time together and she paid for the trip. She is no scam.
DBN. You know I sympathyse with you very much. To become such a paranoic man... Your life must be hard.:-)
believe me that this is absolute BS about the unreal girls. I assure you that most of them are real. Beautiful photos? As k me how many shots I have made to learn how to make those photos of our clients! I am proud that I am living near those beauties. Sometimes I myself think that I would not allow anyone have this or that my client so beautiful she is, the only thing preventing is that I do not need more than one!:-)
And about what are the girls like in Vitebsk better ask Manfred who just today returned from here after visiting our girl Natalya for 2 weeks. he went back to Austria with an engagement ring on his finger and with some her things to let her come to Austria without dragging tonns on her neck!:-)
DB. All you have sang here is a loser's song, if you lost in this game, let the others win. And I am sure they will.
My bride is from Ukraine, is successful and to my mind is very attractive. She is defiantly not looking to escape as if I was closer to retirement we would settle in Ukraine. Actually we will probably return to Ukraine upon my retirement to live. I guess we all have our antidotal experiences but to condemn an entire industry is hardly fair.
dbn,
I'll be meeting my 27 year old sweetheart in about 6 weeks.
She is far more accomplished at her age than most 40 year old american women I know.
She does not need ME to bring her to the US, she could get her visiting visa (and has done it) all on her own. So if things work out with us when we meet, the green card scam is not a valid concern.
Several other real breathing FSU women are also possibilities and I found none of them through any of the russian mass media you describe.
Thank you for giving up the search among russian women...More for us to feast on...:)
Thank you!! It is a great feeling to be in love. How lucky I am, I don't really know yet.. hehe.. Time will show... Right now everything feels just GREAT! I am sure you will find someone soon :) Good Luck!!
"Beautiful women are scare (in Russia and everywhere else)"
You're sure you've been there? At age 55 I'd suggest re-visiting my optometrist, or else visit the bigger cities in Russia next time. Of all places I've been to these have the highest density of stunners I've seen, and I also wear glasses.
If you're impressed witht the rather colourfull local SA-women then know that the most striking girls you'll find in Bloemfontein. They're quite approachable as well if you speak Afrikaans, however your accent might prove beneficial here. Less Indian there than in the harbour city, and on this a kind word of advice. When young some indeed are ravishing, but look at their Mom's, I'd say invariably leaning to overweight or tipping the scale. Somewhat similar for the other Mediterranean groups you mention, and as for Jewish women I've hardly seen very nice one's - and I live in a suburb packed with them.
I hunch that at your age you're looking into an age-diff, and then you maybe want to adjust your target somewhat. However, take it from me that your local surroundings are a lot more difficult in this respect than the FSU one's, and know I also have been there. But don't blame either your eyesight or your experiences for uttering statements like the above, because you, especially on some of them, are very wrong in my opinion.
They're your prerogative of course, just know that others will disagree.
This person is deluded. I have been living in South Africa since birth and I am looking for my wife in Russia/Ukraine. My motivation is the same as everyone else's. In fact I know a whole bunch of SA guys busy with the same thing. And even more who are already married to Russian women. Mr Durban, come to Brooklyn centre (Pretoria) once a month and you will see the local Russian Brides club meeting for dinner. Men with their beautiful, stylish and cultured Russian wives. Oviously, SA was good enough for them and this is enough to persuade me that there are enough decent Russian women whose primary goal is to be happily married and have a good famlily life. Not to get an American green card as you say.
Sadly, feminism has crept into SA too. I don't have any experience of American women but I can tell you the local girls are probably as spoilt and materialistic, unless you really want to go rural....(deeply rural!!!)
Some of the groups you mentioned don't shave their armpits. Just have a good look at Mama to get an idea of how she will look at 50. But no doubt we have some pretty girls here. In the end it is also about numbers available and tipping the scale in your favour.
Something in your style of writing tells me you are a stirrer who just wrote that piece to get a reaction. So I won't waste my time with you anymore.
PS: For you other guys, I made up my mind after meeting a Russian girl who visited here on a cultural exchange project. You are on the right track!
Well....rather strange point of view, that "all beautiful women are scam everywhere"...hm...then I have to put all my friends, beautiful girls (who though don't search for a husband in other countries, are beautiful still) into scam list, or what???
you baastid, you stingy, jealous poor example of a sharing pal - you'd keep some of them to yourselves you say? ;-)
Not very nice, really not appreciated, especially not by the legions of 'outsiders'. You see, they really want this kind of inside-information, but also it keeps the buck rolling. Punting hunters will sneak up on especially those, but don't worry - they rarely shoot when looking into a pair of gorgeous buck-eyes.
Nice job you have - fancy some help over the holidays? I make exceptional coffee, am known to handle delicate equipment well, and could prove useful in the dressing room or, more professionally expressed, behind the scenes ;-)
Thunder, thanks for the kind words!:( I am not this evil as you imagine. But sometimes... I would take a look at you when a gal like her comes to the agency. http://www.fiance.com/gallery-questionnarie-43171.html
And I am myself making photos of them telling to bow down, to show this or that pose to take off some sweater....:-) That;s harsh!:-)
Thunder, I would think over employing you part time, but you pay me the salary in this case!LOL.
When you find all of the other guys not appropriate for one of the girls, think of me.. I have all the qualities.. and the good looks that follows... LOL
Ok this has to be a joke right?
My girlfriend is astonishingly beautiful, 37, 2 degrees in mechanical engineering and law, very good English, cultured, well read, well travelled, has been to the USA many times including Hawaii, knows Florida where I live and has a delightful 11 year old daughter who not only like me but speaks fluent English.
Scam?? You have to be joking. She gave up a mega milionaire because of love. She could have had it all but chose peace and love. Then to top it all off she likes me and wants to have another child with me. She doesn't particularly like America, prefers Europe and has no real desire to leave Russia. SHE IS QUITE GENUINE. I have quite a few pictures of her, just normal pictures in her apartment, she doesn't always look perfect but it is a real close thing. I sent flowers and she looks just as great in that candid photo. We speak all the time she is completely genuine. Thing is there is more where she came from. I know a knockout in Odessa and another even more beautiful in Russia.
In other words I have never read such a complete trough of pig swill in my life !! I am sorry but you are speaking complete nonsense. Now you can flame my ass.
You find what you look for! I've got a real Beauty in the FSU and it runs more than skin deep!
What a pitty that you lack the ability to seperate the wheat from the chaf. Dbn55, your doomed whereever you look. If you did your research as well as you fuel your bad attitude you would find that you are full of it! Some of these ladies might not fit your envalope because they are preceptive as well.
They know "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's probobly a duck". Maybe your bad attitude shows through.