Well this is her last letter I just got today !
Joe that I have learned(found out). Joe I can arrive to you, certainly
it will be for the first time short (visa the visa of the traveller is
given for one month ---, but on her it is possible to arrive and
second time, only it is a little to pay in addition, or then it is
already easier to take the constant visa), there there are a lot of
nuances, but most important is necessary once to me to arrive to you,
that then all was easier for making. Joe and still most important if I
now מעהאל all documents that it will be ready in one month, and in one
month at me holiday, and in other time to me to not take it and if I
shall make all this, I need to do(make) it now.
I tell to you all this, and it seems all simply but most important it
certainly prices for all this. Joe even if I shall come to you without
Vania (I thought of it and I have solved that better to me at
first to arrive by one and already then with Vania) that the documents
to me to not issue one.
The visa and passport --- all this costs(stands) about 710 dollars,
the visa --- 330 and passport 380 (passport termless, that is give on
many years). Joe I learned about all at job, I
learned(found out) about money, and greatest that I can make it only
to find about 10 000 roubles, it is my salary and holiday money --- of
6 000 roubles and 4 000 I can take at Edika and my grandmother, and
10000 roubles --- it approximately 340 dollars, certainly will not
suffice it on all this. I thought that I could to you give this money,
you see you as well as I are rather poor also you would issue the
documents for this purpose what to arrive to me, if at you it
costs more cheaply, but I also would want to arrive to you (as
I want to see you!!! Very much I want) and holiday at me I can will
agree, but all business in money.
Now it is a unique(sole) problem for us with you. To me so is sad from
it, but I look on your photos and again I smile because I know that
you love me and we with you shall see each other, we can make it. I am
sure. Or still that I wanted you to offer, if you could find this
money, you see then I could all the same, more precisely we with you
could we give back this all together with you, you see I do not present
to myself the life without you. I go along the street --- I think of
you, I lie down to sleep --- I think of you and with Vania we speak
about you much.
Joe write to me about all. I shall wait for your letter.
Joe I love you. Yours Tanya and Vania
JB I don't know how emotionally attached to her you were so let me say I'm sorry man.On the other hand at least we can learn from the veterans here and in this case they called it right down the pike all the way to the letter.Anyways better luck next time. I just hope it doesn't happen to me. If it does though now I know what to look for.I really hope you find who your looking for man.
Get used to it. I can tell you shit loads of actual happenings to me on this sight. I went in to this with wide eyed wonderment and got knocked on my ass plenty of times. I dont trust agencies and i dont trust private e-mailers but i have learned to trust my own instincts. After a while you will get tired of e-mailing and will just go. Like freebird said here, first time never go without a back up plan. These chicks are all completely different when you meet them in person. Most but not all. And dont be surprised when you meet them they are cold because they were never replying to you in the first place because their agencies were doing it for them the whole time. You will have good experiences as well as the bad but if you keep plugging away weeding them out you will eventually meet the right one and it may take a few trips. But when you do go there you will find in retrospect that a websight is only a small tool but it helps. I mean you will like it so much over there that you would be confident enough to just go there and meet a lady on your own. I personally wish i would have looked into the FSU about ten or more years ago.
Like someone just said , it is a single mans paradise.
Play with her a little. Tell her that as much as you appreciate her wanting to come to the US as well that you would like to see her where she lives. Tell her that you will simply visit her, releaving her of the burden of having to assemble all the documents and make whatever her contribution would be, to see you.
I did that to one of the girls I wrote, and it was such fun to be the one to scam the scammer... In the end it was me laughing at her, and not the other way around.. Oh my.. I told her I loved her, and missed her.. and so on.. I even told her I had bought a car for her, and that it was in the garage waiting for her to arrive.. I sent her pictures of it, and pretended I was filthy rich.. I showed her pictures of everything she would have when she finally came here... hehe.. I told her I sent money be WU, and she could go and pick it up.. So I had her running and standing in line for a long time to get something that was never sent to her... or him.. for all I know...
I agree with Jet.. Now it is your turn to scam the scammer JDB!! Have some fun! She deserve it.. or him... For all you know it is a 62 yo guy with a hairy chest and a bad breath..
I have friend who have problems russian girls asking money all the time. I dont know exact prices but just today I asked from one russian girl and she said russian foreign pasport and visa cost is less that 100 euros.
Hello guys well like say we did talk on the phone every week and today is the day she calls . And yes I told here I will be there in July we can meet then . Also I am talking to other girls for back up . If you know the US women you cant blame me .
Jmoluv or anyone else for that matter. Ok I am Newbie rookie dumb as dirt about this stuff. you said the Agencies are writing thier letters and not them? what happened to Fiance.com supposedly "weeding out the scammers" or is this the scam? I'm paying V.I.P. prices so some smelly old guy can return letters for them? These girls that are listed with the "agency" is not necessarily fiance.com but some other third party fiance.com has no idea about? So they can say they had no idea and were victims too? Are they even getting my e-mails?I thought the girls signed up with fiance.com then checked thier e-mails like we do. either at home on the computer or at a internet cafe. Clueless and looking for one. Please someone tell me what the heck is going on. ~~Sandman~~
Its a good plan Jdben. If she calls discuss meeting her there. Its obvious that you have some feelings for her. But it makes little sense for (and the red flags go up for) her coming to America first. Why? If she is legitimate and you hit it off there is always time for that later. My guess is that, having told her you will only visit her and not send money for her to buy a visa, she will blow-you-off.
A back-up plan is an excellent idea if you are commited to going. Even if she is a scammer its possible that she WON'T blow-you-off. It might be HER backup plan to let you come over and then scam you then. It should be obvious to you as she is doing it.
Though virtually every FSU cities have marriage agencies where you can regularly meet and date women with little notice, they might not be the ones you are lookng for. Backusp list will afford you a genuine opportunity to spend time with someone you are REALLY interested in if the first one ends up being the scammer that we all think she is.
Ok help me on this one . Like say I am talking to a few ladys . how hard is it to travel 3 or 4 citys in 10 - 12 days and should I go to them or have them come to me . Once more thanks for the help . As you should know this will be my 1st trip
I do not want to be the ambassador of not so good will and i have been accused of this before but sometimes it is a hard pill to swallow for the beleivers and the well wishers . I have my own personal case files on agencies that were writing fictional letters for ladies that they simply took their photos and everything else after that was bogus. I will tell you what i do know are the facts for me . First i am not condemming all agencies. Some are good and some are plain old corrupt. Fiance.com has absolutely no way of filtering out who is writing the replys. They dont have the means to do so. They simply wait till it is obvious that you are getting screwed and only after you have reported it to them . Not them to you. That is all they can do period. Marrige agencies are one of the biggest growth industries in the former FSU. Guess what sells? Hot young women desiring aging older men and aging older men wanting a hot young women. And it is a good seller.So lets keep pumping out those replys and canned letters because that is our paycheck. My close Ukrainian friend worked for a marriage agency and got out because of how they are ordered to write and pull your chain. I have had fiance.com employees tell me that there are many corrupt marriage agencys and they cannot monitor it .Maybe it is an old man with good english writing your replys. I can give you specifics but i do not want to go there . Let me finish this to say that there are good stories also and good agencies i am sure . But i would like to be the first to know which ones they are.
So what your saying is that these girls are not registerd to fiance.com directly or in other words Fiance.com doesn't have branch offices in these cities? Tell me if I get this right or wrong. Instead there are "other" agencies that are posting these girls profiles up through them.These girls generally don't have access to a computer such as internet cafe's and can't respond directly? Is that why it is taking so long for me to get any response? I want to hear the GOOD and the BAD. It makes for proper frame of mind in my opinion.~~Sandman~~
Fiance .com is like a clearing house for all the agencies that choose to be with fiance or fiance chooses them . They have a contract together. Fiance is in Ekaterinaberg and they have an office or branch in the usa. They do not have a office everywhere a woman`s city is listed. You are right, registered agencies post these womens profiles through fiance , these women, and sometimes they are bound (under contract) with their own agency . They can only make contact through their agency , through fiance and then to you. But fiance does not edit or screen letters . But the ladys agency can and sometimes they do . It is the truth . Some but not all. Fiance tries to keep an eye on these agencies but that is impossible without your input. About the ladies with private e-mail. They have their own computor at home or work or they go to an e-mail cafe. Fiance claims they have no real quality control system over private e-mailers only to remove them if they try to scam . Where as they penalize and fine agencies or remove them if they violate the contract or scam . I do know from my questions to several ladies i have met in person about their e-mail activity towards men is that sometimes they simply do it once a week depending if they have time to get to a cafe or agency. Sometimes they just have too many letters to answer and this is where the agencies get sinister. Their writers simply fire out bullshit half answered letters to the men . Do you honestly think a MISS WOW sits down and answers each letter specifically???? Fat chance. And then other women i have met at socials and elsewhere simply beleive e-mails are a waste of time because they simply feel the man will never show up anyway. A lot of women are registered with fiance who simply lose interest and never go to the e-mail cafes . These women are the ones who never reply. I feel the best replys are the ones who decline . That is direct honesty. After 15 months of solid e-mailing i have found about only ten who can write a real genuine reply answering all my questions and then it just may be a good agency writer with a good personality. I am trying to be objective and not negative , but this is my experience. When you ask a lady what the names of her children are and her favorite food is and her letter is some crazy abstract reply and misses those questions as if she is almost stupid , well then you figure it out. Maybe their translator machine is broke down. As i said some not all , but my odds are working against it. My good side of it was being there and actually meeting ladies who were private e-mailers . At least i knew they had to write their own letters. I as you can tell do not beleive in something until it is in front of me. Try asking an agency women for her phone number and personal contact info . They usually miss that question.
Thanks for your forthright insight. I have done just that LoL I was sitting here thinking how the hell could I tell if she is writing me or some geek behind some desk chewing on a half smoked,saliva enveloped cigar,churning out Love letters in his smoke filled little office to us laughing his butt off.It's not that I'm normally skeptical........ok it's because normally I'm skeptical...."if it's to good to be true yada yada yada".I decided to ask her for her phone number. 4 days ago I also sent her flowers and requested a photo of her ON MARCH 8TH.So far nothing they are still "delivering". But I keep getting new photos of her in her apartment with each letter. but the "important" questions are ignored and I sent her a letter with just questions I wanted answered. Time will tell.~~Sandman~~
You see , that is one part of it that always baffles me. Why can they not answer specific questions that are layed down in black and white.I translate it as stupidity or the agency is trying or her to play me. Most not all. I mean if i am asked about my job, i dont start writing about sports. My most important questions or at least half of them are consistently ignored. The bottom line is you cant tell and either can fiance.com . But time does tell and so should your natural instincts which will wise up with experience.