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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > FSU vs WEST Author Post Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 5:31:22 PM   Women of the FSU! The women in FSU are much more friendly and open. They treat men a million times better than women in the west, for sure. Western men who arrive in FSU are often amazed at how open FSU women are to meeting strangers. In western parts of the world, women tend to be very defensive and stuck up toward strangers. As a result, trying to meet them feels awkward, unnatural, and inappropriate. But not so in FSU. FSU women are more naturally curious, intellectual, and uninhibited than their western counterparts. There, meeting women comes easily and naturally, which is a delightful surprise to Western men who are accustomed to the opposite. It almost seems too good to be true, but it is, so many men think to themselves “My gosh. Where have I been?!” Meeting people In general, meeting people in FSU is a whole different dimension than it is in the west. In the west, strangers are strangers and people don't like to meet you unless it's through an organization like work, school, clubs, common friends, church, etc. and even then, it's not always easy to get to know them or become a part of their social circle. In FSU countries on the other hand, people have the attitude that they like to meet new people, especially foreigners, and are very direct about it. Differences arouse curiosity there. Almost no one is a stranger. You never feel like you don’t exist. That's the attitude they have. You can meet people anywhere, on the street, standing in line, at a bus stop, etc. And this applies even if you're a shy person too, because the fact that people are open and welcoming to strangers, GIVES shy people a confidence they wouldn’t normally have. The process is very mutual. You don't really have to "make" it happen. In the west though, people are defensive to strangers approaching them and so it's much harder since it feels inappropriate to try to meet people. Words can't really describe the kind of social vibe I'm talking about in FSU. You'd have to be melded in that kind of environment and stay for a while to know what I am talking about. Eventually, you feel like a different person yourself than the person you were back home. In fact, when I arrived in a new city in FSU, it would usually only take a few hours to already know some people, get some contact information, and have plans that night. Just doing the normal things will usually create natural opportunities that get you acquainted with people. When you see how easy it is, you will soon become less shy and more direct yourself. People in FSU are totally UN-cliqueish, which is so refreshing when you're new. Inverse of social atmosphere and paid friendliness Here is another observation on the tradeoffs between the West and FSU. As much as the West is above FSU in terms of economic status, in the same way, FSU is way above the West in its social atmosphere, for sure. The social atmosphere there is much more lively, animated, uninhibited, and INCLUSIVE (that's the key word here). In FSU, you don't have to have hot looks, riches, or be a movie star to party and hang around attractive quality people. You just have to be yourself. And that's a huge difference indeed. Also, here's another tidbit for you. It's a weird quirk between FSU and West, which I didn't notice until a FSU person pointed it out to me. In FSU, people at work tend to be rude and cold to customers. But when they're off work, they become very sociable, open, and uninhibited. In the West, it's the opposite. People at work are friendly and courteous to you when they are paid to be that way. But when they are off work, they become stuck up and don't want you to bother them. A very interesting inverse indeed. (Note: If you want to test the latter, go to your local shopping mall, and say, "Hi, how are you?" to people with a smile. Assuming you are average looking and not famous or in a Mickey Mouse costume, the only people who will greet you back are the retail workers who are PAID to be friendly to you. The rest will ignore you, give you a snotty look, or brush you aside.) Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 5:31:34 PM   he general attitude of women Now here's the part that will interest us single guys the most :))) In Russia and many of the other countries of the former Soviet Union, women and girls are not only intellectual with diverse interests, but also more uninhibited and open (and I don't necessarily mean sexually either <though it can be that> just in general) What a combination! In FSU, many women who look like models will spend time with you if you just ask. And even if they say no, at least they don't look at you like you're not good enough for them or that it was rude or inappropriate of you for even trying. They don't have the Western female attitude that they're too good to waste their time on you. In a society with socialist values, people don't tend to think that way or put a value on themselves like that. In fact, even a shy timid person could meet people there and approach a gorgeous girl, because unlike here, girls there generally are not defensive, paranoid, or snobby when you try to meet them. This makes getting them into your social circle or getting into theirs effortless and natural. Thus, you don't feel intimidated by them and that gives you the confidence to approach them, even if you're a shy person. It just feels so much more natural and normal, whereas in the west, approaching a girl you don't know because she's attractive feels inappropriate. There, when I approach a woman, she often looks at me with a curious and intrigued look. In contrast, in most parts of the western world, when I approach a girl I want to meet, she looks at me with an expression that says "Unless you need directions somewhere, you shouldn't be talking to me." Now how's that for a big contrast? Meeting and dating women Here is the main difference between meeting women in FSU vs. The Western world. In most parts of the west, when you see an attractive girl in a public place, it is a form of silent torture because you can't really do anything about it. If you go up and try to meet them, most of the time they will see that as inappropriate and think you as some kind of creep, resulting in a defensive posture and vibe. This of course, make guys become more shy and erodes their confidence toward attractive women. In FSU, on the other hand, it's not like that at all. More often than not, the attractive girls you see in public that you try to meet will often want to meet you too, even if they look like models. And when they give you their number or agree to get together later, they usually follow through (rather than giving you their number and then screening out your calls like many Western girls do). And even if they aren't interested or don’t have the time to meet you, at least they don't make you feel like you are doing anything inappropriate, so you don't feel like you've lost anything or violated anything. And besides, there are enough girls there that want to meet you anyway, to keep you motivated and confident enough to keep trying all the time. Therefore, in FSU you don't feel the torture of seeing an attractive woman and not being able to do anything about it because you CAN do something about it which isn’t inappropriate or unnatural! Now guys, which attitude would you prefer from attractive women? In fact, you often meet girls even when you’re not even trying to meet them, like when you’re on your way somewhere or doing something on your own. Often, just standing in line, asking for directions, waiting at a bus stop, sitting in an internet café, etc. leads to meeting women. You don’t even have to try to make it happen. It just happens naturally as part of the flow of things. It’s that easy. Seriously. Sometimes, they will even come up to you to introduce themselves or practice their English. FSU girls can be aggressive about that and not shy at all. Most FSU women will give you their number, and if you follow up on it, they will be willing to meet you again. It is rare to get fake numbers there. The ease of meeting women in FSU gives even shy guys the confidence to approach them, which does not even feel inappropriate at all like it would in the states. Therefore, if you tend to be too shy to meet or approach women, you won’t feel that way in FSU I can assure you. When you’re there, it will seem so natural and easy to meet new women, that it’s “part of the flow” of things. It may be hard for you to sit there and imagine yourself not being shy, but when you’re actually there and melded into the dynamics of a different world and attitude, you will adapt and change to it. If you have a hard time believing how easy it all is, you should go there yourself, and experience it. It will be the time of your life, I promise!! Holding conversations with women Furthermore, holding a conversation with FSU women is easy and natural, because they are curious, easily amused, and can talk about almost anything. This is so refreshingly nice, because in the West, typical young girls are VERY difficult to hold a conversation with because 1) they are interested in few topics if any, 2) have no curiosity, 3) have short attention spans, and 4) they do not like to think much. Keeping their attention and interest is a constant uphill battle, and no guy deserves to be treated like that. With FSU women on the other hand (and foreign women in general), it is very easy to hold a conversation with them, even if they can't speak English. It is much more natural, and they often have a childlike sincere joy at hearing your voice when you call, like a child opening a Christmas present, which makes you feel very welcomed. You don't feel like you have to fight to hold their attention. They are naturally curious and intellectual, and find even simple things you talk about to be interesting. You just feel so much more appreciated when you call them, and it lifts your spirits afterward. The tremendous differe Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 5:32:47 PM   The tremendous difference in these little things says A LOT, in my opinion. Fear of rejection becoming unnecessary In FSU (if you stay there for a while), even when some of the women you meet lose interest in you after a while or dump you, it’s not such a big deal. You quickly recover because your ego there is not as vulnerable as it is in the West. (For some reason, our ego and self-esteem in the West are fragile and vulnerable, and can break like egg shells.) You see, it’s ok because you meet so many women in FSU that statistically, there are ALWAYS some who maintain a genuine interest in you, which is like backup reserve for your sense of self-worth. So you are able to have the attitude that you have nothing to lose and lots of backups, which is true in fact. Therefore, getting rejection there isn’t as damaging to your ego, because there are always plenty of other beautiful friendly women you know there who will replace those that you lose. Hence, such losses are quickly forgotten. And that’s the beauty of FSU! Russian women having a combination of the best qualities In general, women in FSU are much more open, friendly, intellectual, and feminine than their western counterparts. Their personality, dress style, interests, and aura reflect that. With a typical FSU woman, you get the best qualities of East and West. They have an outer physical beauty comparable to attractive thin Western women without the feminism or spoiled attitude. They have the discipline, values and domestic skills of the typical women in Asia, but without their rigid mentality, singularity in thought, and extreme introversion. And finally, they have the intellectual side of the typical European women, but are even more friendly and open than they are. You can't ask for a better combination of qualities. And in addition, most FSU women have the same maturity level of Western women ten years older than them. This means with a FSU woman, you get the mind of an older woman in a young woman's body! These reasons are why many Western guys who experience women in FSU usually exclaim "Where have I been all this time?!" Surplus vs. shortage of attractive mentally healthy single women Another factor at work here that helps us men, is that in FSU there is a big surplus of attractive mentally healthy single women, rather than a shortage like in the West. As we men all know, in the West there is a surplus of nice good single men and a shortage of nice attractive mentally healthy single women. As a result, even the less attractive women in the West can afford to become pickier, and single Western men can easily have trouble finding any available decent women. Just go to a bar or nightclub in the West and you'll see that the men far outnumber the women. And even the unattractive women in those places seem like princesses to the big surplus of disgruntled unhappy chumps there. It's a really pathetic scene for the nice guy. On the other hand, in FSU there is a big surplus of attractive, friendly, mentally healthy single women with good values. And there's a shortage of nice, non-alcoholic single men there with decent money and values. That's why the conditions there greatly favor the Western man. Beauty and brains common rather than rare As we all know, in the West it is rare to find a woman with both beauty and brains, especially one who is single too. The more beautiful a woman’s appearance, the less developed her intellect is. And the more developed her intellect is, the less attractive her appearance is. I know this not a politically correct thing to say, but it’s true. However, unlike the West, women with both beauty and brains is VERY common in FSU, and can be found everywhere there. And furthermore, it is easy to find one that is actually SINGLE too! In the West, that is almost unheard of and a rare find, as rare as a diamond. But these diamonds are all over FSU waiting to meet nice single men (like you perhaps?)! Bagira Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 6:08:56 PM   And do you understand what woman will fill then she arrives from FSU to US? All people are stranges. She feels alone. Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 6:15:19 PM   Bagira, You might be right, but I think that depends a little of what kind of social network the man have. In my case I already have 3 Russian people in my close circle of friends. One man, and 2 women. They live 5 minutes away, and I think my future wife will find them friendly and nice just as I did. So hopefully she will not feel too alone... prrrr said the Kitten... freebird1967 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 6:16:14 PM   Nice write up Nor. I dont agree with everything but with most of it... I have found that I get along with Older US women ( 45 plus ) as good friends and had wished they are younger... they seem more grounded and real. Now the statement about maturity makes absolute sense to me. I do think thats part of it. They do seem to be more realistic in FSU and you dont have to have donald trumps wallet or Brad pitts looks to hook up with a nice girl. The men I saw were not bad... just seemed to be alot more women. The men were picky.. and who can blame them? Yes there are GOOD girls in the west..... but the fact is a good single girl our age is hard to find.... and they know they are in demand... so why bother when you can go to a place where a decent guy is in demand. How many of us really know the dating game? I mean lets get down to the grit here... I have played the game extensively... I am a decent looking guy with a brain and a job. Now Im not bragging just putting it into perspective. I dont think it is desperacy that drives us.. Sure we can get beautiful women in the west.... but you have to play theyre game.... Whatever it is.. maybe you have to treat them with contempt to drive them crazy.. or maybe jealousy is what makes them hot.... or maybe when you ignore them most the time.. havent we all played these silly games? I finally said "fuck that" I want a real woman.... thats why I am here.. I am tired of retarded women I have to treat like trash to get them interested... treat a AM like a lady and she will shit all over you.. treat her like a whore and she will love you. For me thats how its worked.... very rarely did I meet a girl without some fucked up issues. In fact the worse I am to them the more they love me... what the hell? Me.. Im here for an honest woman who wants an honest relationship... No games no bullshit psychology... just a good friend and lover and a woman! Now is this just me or have you other guys had these same experiences? jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 6:16:19 PM   Norwegian, I dont know your history but i take it that you have spent time here in the states. Am i correct? It appears you are very knowledgeable about western social behavior and how all demographics have evolved between men and women relationships in the west. Have you studied human social behavior of the western hemisphere or do you just have a keen perception of the obvious. LOL Your synopsis is very accurate. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 6:18:55 PM   Ditto that freebird about how you have to treat a western women to get her attention. Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 8:00:59 PM   jmoluv, There is no different in Norway, believe me! Norway is also a part of the west my friend :) And it isn't that different from the states, except for some few things... The Obesity epidemic has still not become the number one health risk here yet, and we don't have homeless people living on the street.. But apart from that, not so different actually. (you should all download a song with the title: "Underwear goes inside the pants" by Lazyboy -Great lyrics! Trust me!) I have travelled a lot, seen many places and cultures, and all over the west it is the same. UK, US, Norway, Holland, Germany, France etc. Same story.. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 8:17:24 PM   I hate to hear that about Norway. I have always wanted to visit your country. Just for the sights and sounds and its rich history and of course the lore of the Norseman . We have a travel channel on television and they have brought us excellent programs of your country and how to get around if you visit. It looks almost magical there with the combination of the sea, fijords, mountains ,meadows, lakes and villages. Maybe someday i can come pillage and plunder !!!! And leave with a fat maiden??? Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 8:49:42 PM   jmoluv, You describe our nature and country in a way I would have dificult to do myself. I thank you man!! Yes, we have a wonderful landscape, I think it must be some of the most beautiful nature there is on this planet, but it isn't nice of me to be cocky.. LOL.. But, that doesn't mean the women are any nicer here than any other place... lol.. No, my friend, you stick to your FSU woman, and bring her here on a vacation you will never forget :))) Can I take it as a compliment? Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 8:52:33 PM   By the way... You have my email adress, so if you ever decide to come please write me :) jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2005 9:27:02 PM   I just may do that someday !! 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