It is my theory that in order to make a marriage work, each spouse must decide freely whether to be the masculine or feminine energy partner.
Neither partner can be both. That's the jungean definition of narcissism.
Today we all have access to both energies -active masculine and passive feminine- so we need inner choice.
We cannot chaotically and spontaneously jump back and forth between the two.
That destroys relationships, and wears down one of both partners.
It doesn't matter who chooses to be the masculine or feminine energy, as long as there is only one of each at any given moment of interaction.
If a woman chooses to be the feminine energy partner, she should marry a masculine energy partner.
If, however, a woman chooses to be the masculine energy partner, she must be certain that her husband wants to be the feminine energy partner, if not, she will collide with her masculine man...(now you start getting the idea where this is going, uh?)
Our goal should always be to have a clear decision about our energy of preference before we start a relationship with anyone, regardless of nationality or cultural background.
Of course, once you've chosen your primary role, you do not have to stick to it forever every minute of every day.
As a married or committed couple you add spice for variety..:)
You may go from masculine giving energy to feminine receiving energy. This is fine too, as long as you negotiate these changes with your partner and corteously switch styles.
I beleive marriage life is an EQUITABLE (as opposed to 'equality') barter of sex for money, with each partner sharing the responsibility for each other's needs to be good providers and desirable lovers.
The person who chooses to be the masculine energy partner is the primary provider, the generous and protecting partnerwho brings status and security and is in charge of the material aspects of the relationship -money, property, work, business. He (it is usually, but not always, the he) sacrifices his naturally god given right to be irresponsible, polygamous and spoiled, in order to lead the team towards their mutually negotiated goals.
The person who chooses to be the feminine energy is the sensual and sexual partner, who is receptive, responsive and available to a masculine partner. She (again, usually, but not always, the she) sacrifices her hard earned, liberated right to be independent, to initiate, to be respected, and to co-lead in order to follow her man and serve on his team...(I can sense feminists on "lock 'n load" mode already). The male initiates, and the female follows, but with absolute right to veto anything unethical, illegal or immoral, as well as anything that hurts her body or her money, property or career.
On the other hand a woman can be the masculine energy without castrating her man or the feminie energy without denying her own personality. We now have the freedom and ability to choose whether we want to be female or masculine energy and while hormones, brain differences, language patterns and temperement may direct us to certain choices we must finally be guided by what feels most naturally to us.
We must all look inside ourselves, examine our real desires and feelings and act on them. This will allow us to attain any romantic relationship we desire not based on our genitals but based on who we really are.
The biggest message in this diarrhea of the mouth cmmentary is "Make your choice and go with it with gusto". Because we, of the 21st century are very complex creature. We're ambisexual, narcissistic, and even androgynous; we have more choice of behaviour than ever before. The slaves are free, lol...what the hell do we do with the freedom now, uh?
A monodextral heterosexual sunflowerish hydrocarbon-loving full-of-energy absolutely male-only initiator of fun foremost, however with a brain indifferent to psychobabble picked from magazines typically present in medical waiting rooms.
One thing I agree with though - switching styles, Kama Sutra's a good start.
He's from California, he's been hanging out in Humboldt county too much lately. Also Barstow, Ridgecrest and Lake Isabella are bastions
of the heathen devil weed marijuana LMAO!
This is a valid point.
Marina wants to be the dominant partner but at the same time wants to have a man who is a man - within her definitions.
This sucks !! I won't tolerate it.
I have stated this in this forum before and I will again. I am the fricking man and I will run things. Sorry Bagira but that is how In think. Most women secretly want that too. They want to feel protected with a strong male. Unfortunately society as screwed up these traditional roles. Some of it is very good but the bulk is BAD !!!
I won't donate my testicles to any woman (or Richard Simmons).
Yes I'm back and I believe, yes I am almost sure of it, no there is no doubt it is definite, my sense of humor came along for the ride. Now for some Nazi jokes !!
Humbolt has the most beautiful forest in calif, also the weirdest mushrooms...Barstow is calif's armpit #3, after Fresno and Bakersfield, lake Isabella is the California version of the Aral sea (well, almost) but close to the most beautiful trout country in the US.....Ridgecrest???? Nothing more than a junction desert town between the 14 and 395 highways.
Don't challenge my geography. I'll drag you through the mud, lol
Toad I lived in California for a time. Bakersfield the home of Rick Mears. I like California, just chose not to live there. I prefer the
mountains of Tennessee over anything. Which is only a three hour drive for me here. So anytime you want to wet a fly line with me, I can take you to some places you'll enjoy. I remember watching a fishing show with Bob Knight and Ted Williams fly fishing in Russia, I will have to find that again.
Ah, shucks boys, why are you worried about geography, read the line!
The man sat down and tried to figure out cause and effect, actions vers reactions. I think his fire has been lit by that girl.
Ride that horse Toad! Ride her till she's saddle broke or your but's to sore to ride. I don't think your going to fall off.
For a year through 95 / 96 I was a over the road truck driver. I wandered over the bulk of the USA. It is a beautiful place. I would go to some very remote weird places but always the scenery would take your breath away. One time I went to a place called Snowflake in Arizona. A paper mill. It was incredible there absolutely breathtaking. Incidentally Snowflake is where that UFO encounter took place that they made the movie "Fire in the Sky" about.
I also went to an obscure dead volcano in New Mexico to pick up volcanic ash for Home Depot. It was fun.
Despite my now technical job (engineering tech) I have to tell you that I miss that job. It seems inconsistent but that was a more fulfilling way to make a living rather than Dilbert land.
TN, AZ, NM....and just about every state has wonderful place that at one time or another we've all enjoyed visiting.
But how many of us would actually consider spending out lives there with the same gusto of that fleeting sporadic visit or mere drive through.
After I left Argentina, I have literally 'walked the americas' before arriving to Calif in '79.
It only took a couple of months to figure this was the best place to live within the qorld I knew. Every other state/country I've visited ratified my initial evaluation.
Hawaii being the only exception. When my kids are grown and on their own entirely, I'd consider living there.
TD,
I do not smoke, tobacco, crack, smack or even cannabis (despite the tattoo in my upper right arm declaring the opposite -that's a sailor story for another session..:)
My initial diahrrea of the mouth on this thread is my understanding of how most people, both male and female are in the west these days.
NO, I did not create those concepts or interpretations.
I read them from others who put them out there within the last 10 years or so...I parrot them because I believe that's how things are.
I advocate them because I beleive they are useful and I follow them in my own personal life and pursuit of a healthy relationship because I believe they'll work.
So far so good.
Lena is buying into the system. "It makes sense", she says...Music to my ears.
We're such complex creatures these days (much more so than when "traditional marriages" existed, that in most cases (Lena and I being one of them) couples cannot reach marital harmony unless and until each person is willing to surrender either his/her thoughts (respect) or his/her feelings (cherishing)
Not in a repressing way, but in a manner that accepts conciously that whatever it is we surrender is simply not priority.
Hence the most important question you can ask a modern woman/man is: "What is more important to you, to be respected for your thoughts and actions (male energy) or be cherished for your feelings (female energy)...?
When everyone is done squirming, denying and rebelling against that question -because every single modern man and woman these days is perfectly capable of living a single life demanding and expecting both cherishing and respect- we realize that if we insist on the same expectations within a relationship, we're acting like narcissists and the end results invariable ends in failure because of the collissions and 'doormat' status handed over to one of the partners.
Think about it.
There are techniques to learn this relationship dance that have held my interest and attention for over 10 years now.
I did not gave up seeking relationships with western women because they're fat piggies only. But mainly because they're purely narcissistic in their choice, behaviours and expectations. I certainly have the scars to prove it.
someone maybe digesting spacecakes managed to mould the exceptionally broad outlines of the mix of male/female character-treats into a wording, in doing so capturing the attention of just about the core of a Gauss-curve hence inducing signs of recognition with the majority.
Sorry, I consider myself not average, for I think that the human nature is a lot more complex than the above black & white statement. But by all means believe it, if anything a character treat as old as mankind. Anything must be explained, and out of this belief religion was born - take that from an agnostic atheist who also distrusts Darwin.
I thought the best streams were in Montana,although I do not buy into that " River Runs Through it" doggism which puts nightcrawler users on one side,and fly fishing elitists on the other. Especially when I am fishing because I am hungry-which has been the case more than once. By the way-the story is about the Blackfoot River in Montana,a beautiful,pristine river which you can still make a 4 day float party out of. :o) --but I do agree about Barstow. I went through it a week ago. I would rather be stuck in Fargo, North Dakota. Also,all anxiety/backache/cancer/aids (devilweed) medicine put aside,I like the energies theory. It is like the positive and negative poles of a battery. If you oppose the positive ends of two magnets,they push each other apart. Hmmmm--now that I think of it,with this country so insanely in debt,maybe controlling the quantity,quality,consistency of that nasty woman Mari I wanna would squash the Mexican market, reduce drug violence,and take a few bucks from the Canadians too. Bottom the market out,and drive all the scumbags out. Recriminalization is a dream, does anybody remember the punishment for a pot seed in Utah? Wait until the prozac addicts make their claims for euphoric tranquility. Who can really argue? You can come here to the reservation in Arizona and have a religious experience by ingesting peyote under the guidance of a medicine man. Coming from a drunk backround,I cannot remember anybody going through Detoxification from mota,although I do remember taking too much peyote and being completely disconnected to reality,more so than lysergic alkaloids,or psilocybin. The legacy of California---liberal,hanging loose Cali. I do not know anybody there who is not a partaker of the "dank" stuff. It is not just a product of the counterculture,it is a serious agricultural benefit. More so perhaps even in Hawaii.I have read stats which claim it as the 3rd most prosperous crop,after tourism and pineapples. I also wanted to say--and I know religion is a dish best never served at all--but faith in a higher power sometimes comes from a brush with death,or having your world mysteriously,unaccountably preserved by an unknown savior . I don`t expect anybody to believe in Bigfoot or Yahweh,or to believe me when I say that upon my 4th or 5th full breath of water--I had resigned myself to my death,because it was so peaceful. I was actually breathing water--and a hand grabbed me by the shoulder. I shot out of the water like a dolphin. The rest of my shipwreck buddies were all on the beach,and had given me up for drowned. Maybe it was not God,maybe it was a large trout or an angel. I don`t know about anybody else,but I say when given a choice of what to believe,try to take the narrow path of righteousness which few people will follow,name your saving grace and demons by whatever title you prefer,and be to a woman what you will be for her also. Be atheist,but follow basic principles of goodness,which are universal,and belong to no secular Sunday gathering. The church is the body-not the building. It is the people,not the parish. Anybody got some more of them spacecakes? Be well,my brothers of different mothers!!
I do not think what Toad is talking about is psycho-babble.
Life is complicated and there are no real rule books despite what many religions would have us believe.
All you can do as life progresses is try to educate yourself and come up with some personal definitions that you can compare to and live with.
These ideas Toad has put out there are exactly this.
A further explanation is how I feel about the word 'love'. I have a distinct definition for this word. I used to just knee jerk react and 'love'. It caused pain.
Somewhere down the road the road I defined it, based on past experience and now I do a little better.
The subject of how men and women actually live together without killing each other is a very valid topic. It is probably not discussed enough.
Personally I think of a realationship as teamwork with one partner making veto decisions with the complete consent and total respect to the other party.
These personal guidelines are needed to make any sense out of life. Toad's are just as valid a anybody else's.