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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Saftey Travel To Foreign Land Author Post quills728 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 7:07:15 PM   Has anybody who has traveled to meet their lady experienced or heard crime amoung tourists? Not to be called a coward, but saftey is a concern for me. I like to be armed with information about this. Input anyone? wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 7:54:50 PM   I have been to Ukraine twice and I have found it no more dangerous than any other place I have been. Just understand that you're not on your own turf and act accordingly. It would be my opinion that it would be easier to get mugged in LA than Kyiv. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 8:38:39 PM   Everything I saw in Ekaterinburg, Tymen and Tobolsk leads me to believe it is the russians who should be concerned with the violence in our cities, not the other way around. Lena's apartment building is not different than many others. Electric opener on a heavy duty metal door place on the back of the building away from the street. The elevator is tiny, barely enough for 4 russian people providing nobody is carrying groceries. Lena and her friend Irina told me sometimes gangs manage to get in and wait in lay for unsuspecting apartment residents coming home to rob them. Everyone os extra cautious at night if the see groups of young men hanging around. There is a sense of unspoken community spirit among the building residents when things like this take place. One day coming back from a long walk (of couse, what else :) two guys in their early 20s got in the elevator with us. Each was at least a foot shorter than me and lena at one point had to tell me to lighten up the frowning because the poor bastards where whispering aloud wondering if the big 'gringo' was there to rob them..:) Although I read russian can be extremely rude to others in public I can only think of more like indifferent or aloof at worse, based on the way strangers treated me. quills, Depends on where you go, I guess...what city is your lady from? I'd ask her directly whether she lives in an area considered to be 'high crime' by HER standards, not yours. If you're not staying with her, i'd rely on the recommendations of whatever agency you choose to keep you informed about crime areas in the city you're visiting. We did not go out at night to 'walk' the city'. We took taxis, which are cheap, usually 100 rubles = US$ 3.75 toad Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 8:59:53 PM   I feel the same way every one else does. I was in Moldova and never had a problem. I felt much safer there than in the US. Two nights I had to walk a half mile back to my flat at 2:00 a.m. Passed many groups of guys in back alleys with no problems. I only had to use my gun once. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 1:40:26 AM   LMAO....you gunslinger, you Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 4:25:51 AM   what you doing until 2am Dale ???? Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 4:43:29 AM   Trying to talk her into coming back to my flat! :o) unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 8:14:06 AM   I have traveled a lot in the FSU and they are safer than we are. It still applies that if you don't go to places where people get shot and stabbed then you reduce your chances. Most of thier crimes are crimes of pashion, only the really big criminals use guns because they have no fear. The police in the FSU are very good and they are changing from the old wild west type days of the early days. Worldtraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 8:22:46 AM   The police in the FSU are good????? Uncle, for sure this is a joke, right??? WT Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 10:23:40 AM   From my one experience with the police, I have to agree with WT. I had to register myself within three days of arrival in Moldova. The OVIR office was closed on my third day so I knew that I could register at a police station. The 25 yr. old police man said that he was too busy to do this. (his feet were up on the desk when we walked in). I asked him what the hell I was supposed to do if I got stopped and asked for my registration paper. He said, "You will like our jails very much". unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 11:56:34 AM   Hey Guys; I am in Lawenforcement and you just need to know how to talk to them. In a lot of areas they are still corrupt but overall most of the best ones are trying to do a good job. The investigative types and supervisors are getting better and better. These guys you have delt with are bored and just not up to speed. They have some excelent people who are real go-getters. You know the way it is when you try to blanket a large group of people with a bad label made by a few jerks. Overall the USA has more danger but East LA is not representative of the rest of the country either. Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 10:58:51 PM   Was it third time lucky - Dale ???? (you did only walk twice alone, correct) Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 6:01:57 AM   Max- You are very observant! The third day (Valentines Day) her parents arrived by train to watch her son for us. She stayed with me from then on and never left my side. Worldtraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 9:58:59 AM   Uncle, sorry, but reading your lines I only can shake my head! You do not mention, if you have own personal experiences of police in FSU. I intend to say NO. Have a look on webpages of NGOs and you will recognize, that especially the Ukraina, Moldova and the -stan countries are completely influenced with police connected crimes. One little example: once I had a kind of friend in Moldova. He was working in the department fighting against narcotics. Several months later he was fired, because he was dealing himself with that damned stuff. His biggest problem was, that he did it in a careless way. You think he was set into prison? No, he paid a "fee" and actually he is working in a wellknown company in Moldova with an excellent salary. Uncle, have a walk in the streets of Chisinau. Sooner or later some local policemen will ask you directly or indirectly, friendly or unfriendly, for a kind of "support".... You rarely will see a slim policeman - it isnīt her official salary, which give them her proper figure. Yes, it is important to know, how to talk with them. It is only a question of MONEY. WT unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 10:31:44 AM   WT, You are right about those places. My exspearence has been with upperlevel people in Russia. The problems are there I do not deni it. They are acting like the police in Mexico in many places. They can call it the BITE or Mordita but corruptio is real out there. I know that I have seen a different picture because most of the time I am with somebody and my exsposure is limited. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 1:12:24 PM   One must always support the man with the bigger gun, lol....pay and walk away to tell your story elsewhere so you can vent your indignation however you see fit. Few of us, if any, are planning to actually move permanently to any of these countries, regardless of their corrupt authorities. Get in, get your woman at the prudent time....and get the hell out, I say. Simplistic manner to put it, but I am a fervent advocate of the KISS principle What we do is not easy, and being shaken down by a dirty cop is one of the lesser inconveniences of the ordeal we put on our shoulders. toad unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 2:32:16 PM   Toad, Once again you cut through to the heart of the question. Get all you can, can all you get, and leave the rest! In Texas we don't have that problem. If we did it gets solved pretty quick! UB GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 4:07:17 PM   Yyyyyyyiiiihhhaaaaaa...lol Freewaay Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:47:02 PM   Anyone know what it is like in Azov . Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Saftey Travel To Foreign Land
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