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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > 2005 Tours Author Post DJK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2005 9:26:53 PM   I have tried in vane to get info off the Fiancé.com site about upcoming socials in Saint Petersburg in 05. Has anyone gone to these socials and what is the general consensus. I have never been to Eastern Europe and thought the organized social might be a good way to take first steps. I know there is allot of message traffic regarding the value of the socials versus direct communications. The lady I am communicating with will be moving to Saint Petersburg and I though that having a social available might be a good contingency plan. Don't flame me to hard -- just a newbie trying to take his first trip to the FSU. The fear mongers out there make me think twice about going it alone. DJK scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2005 9:47:38 PM   I have been to a social in St. Petersburg via the Fiance.com affiliate Anastasia. I imagine there are better tour agencies, but this served the purpose of introducing me to the FSU. For some, Socials are a good way to start. That's not the case for all. If you want to try a social for the first try, there is nothing wrong with it. It's just whatever approach you wish to start with. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2005 10:48:39 PM   DJ As you probably already know there are 2 schools of thought about the best way to approach finding a lady in FSU. Socials vs Emails. They are both good. I prefer the email method as it has worked for me. The women generally think that the girls who attend the socials have no pride or are downright hookers. I think that is crap but I have been told that several times including my lady friend. Before I got hooked up I decided that I would use AFA. From my research they seem to be top dog. They are reputable if expensive. I wish you good luck with whichever method you choose. DJK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2005 11:24:09 PM   I've met someone and we have been corresponding back and forth for about 4 months. My purpose for the social is to have a contingency plan in case I meet with her and things don't work out. The general consensus is always to have a backup plan. Scott: what were your impressions of St. Petersburg? As I have never been to Eastern Europe would you advise that it's OK for a first timer to go on his own??? Izi: who is AFA??? Are they affiliated with this site or are they another agency? THANKS!!! DJK N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:04:30 AM   would say there is 3 ways to do it actually. I have had success with my visits. Of course there are some emails first, but I visit as fast as possible. I am not married or engaged, and I still look for the right one. But I have met girls this way, and they like me and I like them, even if I still don't feel I have met the perfect one for me yet. Still I will caracterize it as successful. But that has to do with my journeys that have been great, nice ladies I have met, and friends I have made. When it comes to back-up plans there are many of them. But actually the oldfashion works best I think. You can meet and pick up girls anywhere. One of the biggest fears most men have is "What if I don't like her or she doesn't like me." So, what are you going to do if you get to Russia and unfortunately, the woman you had planned to meet is not that "right" someone? Not the woman you had imagined? I have an idea for you and it is as old as time and works like the ticking of a fine watch. Once you have arrived in Russia and discovered the women you were to meet is not compatible, use your God given instincts and do what men have done for thousands of years - approach and pick up Russian girls on your own. I know that sometimes many of us western men feel uncomfortable approaching women in public places because in our countries many women don't appreciate being approached by a stranger and this can sometimes cause problems. In Norway you better ask for directions if you don't wan't a fist in your face... But in Russia it is a very different situation. Russian women appreciate getting compliments from men and don't see anything strange or unusual if these compliments are given by complete strangers. In fact, compliments from men make a Russian woman's day. They are romantics and still believe in fairy tales. The world being in the state that it is, I know it is hard to believe but even today, many young Russian girls and even adult women leave their homes in the morning with hope of meeting their "one and only" even if it is by accident. So, why not use this approach while you are in Russia? Western men who understand the potential of a chance encounter in Russia just plan their trip, buy a ticket and fly to Russia to find their soulmate the old fashion way and guess what? Their chances of being successful are very huge! I am offering you some methods that work in Russia. Use your imagination to fit the situation and make them work for you. To start off, approaching a Russian woman will be a lot easier for you than for a Russian man. Why? Because you are a foreigner and Russians are intrigued with foreigners and will be very polite and friendly. When these women get older, they tend to loose their English language skills but I doubt that you want to pick up a Babushka (grandmother) on the Russian streets. Any place can be the right place to pick up Russian women: ON THE STREETS For a person in a strange city, just standing on the sidewalk in any city can be an easy way to meet a woman. All you need to do is tell any woman you are "lost", you need directions, etc; You can even keep a map in your hand, obviously showing that you have lost your way. By the way, you will lose your way very often, so you won't be lying. Once you get the directions you might say something like: "Thank you so much but I am afraid that anyway it will be very difficult to find this on my own. Do you have time to walk with me and show me the way?" If girl doesn't agree, then just give her your card with your name and the hotel phone number and ask her to call if she might have the time to show the city to you. Or, just ask for her phone number and an opportunity to see her again. SMALL FOOD SHOPS This time you are again "lost", but the direction you need is in choosing food stuffs. Breads, pastries, canned goods almost anything can be questioned. Just ask any of pretty patrons "What is better? This or that product?" You can ask what she likes better and then give her a compliment: "I think I can trust the taste of such a beautiful girl." Again, opportunity knocks and you can lead the rest of conversation based on her reaction. In most cases you will get a favorable reaction. GIFT SHOPS You will be in shock how many stunning Russian women you are going to see in Russia. They will be everywhere! So, don't be surprised if you meet an attractive woman who will be selling the morning newspaper or some little souvenir in the kiosks. If she is working it doesn't mean you cannot try to pick up her. Ask her when she gets off from work, ask for her phone number or ask for her to call you. One major caveat, be sure to look at her right hand (Russians wear their wedding ring on the right hand), before you make any overtures. Russian women are proud of their marital status and almost always wear a wedding ring. Just remember that If a woman hasn't a wedding ring, it almost a 100% possibility that she isn't married. If you see a wedding ring on the left hand, it is mean that woman is divorced and want to show this in a demonstrative way. In other words she is most likely available. SCHOOLS OF HIGHER LEARNING Universities can be a great place to meet unmarried young women. There are women all over the campus and all you need is a sharp eye to find a woman that interests you. Approach the woman you have chosen and speak with her in English. This will immediately get the woman's attention (the fact that you are speaking in English). CHIVALRY IS NOT DEAD Just being a foreigner who is from a western country will draw attention to you, but being "always the gentleman" will garner you a lot of points. Always try to put your best foot forward when trying to attract a woman. For example, when stepping off a bus, offer your hand to the N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:05:49 AM   .....when stepping off a bus, offer your hand to the young lady as she steps down! Check the weather often to see if it is going to rain. If the possibility exists, carry an umbrella with you and by the off-change that it does rain, you are prepared to extend shelter to some pretty young thing caught without protection from the weather. If she refuses to take shelter from your offer, what have you lost? , nothing, but if she accepts now you have an opening to pursue matters. RESTAURANTS-BARS Just like in most western countries, bars and nightclubs are still great places to meet the opposite sex. What is interesting, in Russia, is that most restaurants switch from dining to nightclubs during the later part of the evening. Just like at most nightclubs, asking someone to dance is always and open door to getting to know someone. Many Russian women love to go to these restaurant/bars to dance and meet men and just to have fun. Yes, guys... I know it sounds silly... BUT, I know it works.. I haven't done the map thing, or many of the others, but I have met women working, one of the girls I went out with I met in a shoe-store, another woman I gave a flower for helping me call a taxi I accidentally left my cellphone in, we went out that night... Others I have met in nightclubs.. But I still meet women at internet, this is only a way to make the trip worthwile if everything else is going down the drain... N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:10:11 AM   BTW... It is fun also... scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:15:50 AM   St. Peterburg is probably the best of the Russian cities. It is the closest to Europe via the Baltic sea. I haven't been to Odessa (in Ukraine), but it is much the same way to my knowledge (I.E. larger number of foreign visitors. Landing in Russia is a strange feeling for the first time, but it's amazing how quickly you feel like it is just like any other large city. I DO recommend you learn Cyrillic, and basic Russian. It helps when walking around and looking at maps. Keep in mind that many places in St. Petersburg DO speak English, but that's not reason to not learn part of the language. N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:21:18 AM   scott, But, don't you think the girls of Moscow and St.Petersburg is a little spoiled, and too much citygirls? I know it is wrong of me to generalise it, but my impression is that the girls in the smaller cities are a little more humble. Moscow and ST.Pburg have gone through a massive economic change the last years, and I have a (personal) feeling they are sort of influenced by it. Let's hope I am wrong, it is just an impression... DJK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:48:19 AM   The woman I am planning to meet is relocating from Bishkek, apparently it is getting difficult for Russian nationals and many are leaving Kyrgyzstan and returning home. She will have only been in St. Petersburg for a few weeks so I'm hopeful she will retain her charm. I'm trying to learn basic Russian -- it's amazing how hard it is to find anything locally given we have such a large Russian population where I live. I'm probably going to get a computer based program and self-teach. N()R: it sounds like your answering my question about going it alone and saying that you will feel it's OK. There are so many threads about corruption and scam's and people coming up missing, it's hard to tell what BS and what isn't. I guess the FSU is a breading ground for it's own brand of urban legend. Bottom line; treat the trip like you would if you were going to NY or LA, enjoy yourself but don't go looking for trouble. DJK Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 12:58:19 AM   N()R Doubt if you would have time for a beer !! You are a bloody love machine !! Actually I don't drink alcohol but perhaps catch up in Kiev for a coffee. You are right about SPB & Moscow ladies, especially the ones that frequent the central areas of these cities. DJK SPB is beautiful. Heaps to see and an amazing place. I loved it and was there for 3 weeks cold turkey on my own. No plans or accommodation pre arranged after the 1st week. Felt 100% safe and a pretty City with many pretty ladies. Not cheap Re Hotels or tours for us westerners, but you wont be disappointed. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 1:35:11 AM   DJ AFA is A Foreign Affair. VNVnation Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 1:36:36 AM   "Scott: what were your impressions of St. Petersburg? As I have never been to Eastern Europe would you advise that it's OK for a first timer to go on his own??? " I'm not Scott, but St. Petersburg is a great city to visit and meet women. There are things to do no matter what your interests (museums, theater, architecture, restaurants, cafes, shopping, concerts, sporting events, nightclubs, gambling) and beautiful women. A lot of people speak some English and I definitely felt safer there than in smaller cities like Ivanovo. The only downside is that it can be quite expensive to have a good time there. I used a great agency in St. Pete. If you want the name of it, email me offlist. DJK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 1:39:29 AM   I'm just glad you guys talked me out of my paranoia. Maxirat, I think it was you a while ago that talked me out of my fears and into action. I'm in a great relationship and looking forward to my first trip and meeting Galina. It's been a great journey so far and I owe much of it to the advise on this Forum; thanks to all. I will let you know how things work out. VNVnation Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 1:51:09 AM   DJK, good luck with your relationship and have fun in St. Pete. I'll be there myself June and July. DJK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 1:57:53 AM   I'm planning for July myself... I'll send a note off line and take you up on the offer for some planning info. DJK GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 2:37:39 AM   DJK, Nor listed a lot of good places to for men to meet women. I suggest you pick DAYTIME places to mee these women. I would put Language Institutes/ Universities at the very top of the list. Good luck toad DJK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 3:58:59 AM   OK - I know I will get allot of strange looks but.... I have focused my search by looking for woman age 30+. Allot of what I have read tells of men finding 20 something's. That has not been a problem for me here in the states. As a matter of fact the problem is that's all I seem to find. Since my divorce 5 years ago I have dated a series of 20 something's... Great to look at, fun to be with but... after a few weeks they run out of gas. They just don't have the right stuff to keep me interested. I'm looking for a women you knows what she really wants, has experienced life and can hold her own in a conversation. I know one size does not fit all so for all of you that have found a 20 something beauty and have found happiness, good on ya. That's just not what I'm looking for. I think I can still apply Nor's suggestion but apply my age filter to get to the demographic I prefer. I lived in Austria an know its an unfair comparison comparing an American 20 year old to a European or FSU 20 year old. Maybe I need to re-think my strategy (or maybe I've had too much Makers Mark and it's time to hit the rack (midnight as I write this after a long day working on my boat.) Thanks again for all the help -- Toad/Nor/Max/Scott/VnV: I appreciate it!!! Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 4:41:21 AM   N()R, so you give pre-printed CARDS to women so they may phone you? Now tell me you're Brad Pitt less some hair, and a receptionist answers calls for you in your hotel room :) What impression you think such makes? If a total strange visiting woman gives me her card, with her local number on it, my impression is she came a bit TOO prepared. I'd either chuck it or would try to take advantage of her, but the chance I'd get serious I would say is zero. By the looks of things you're an exceptionally suave persuader, a smooth operator, and - ahem - the first to spot this are women. Hanging out in a supermarket with a purpose other than really buying what you need, lurking on the pavement, waiting in or near a university, all this you only THINK you get away with, but let me tell you that you will stand out by doing it. However, I do agree with the brunt of your post, and that is that no 'backup plan' other than playing tourist is best. Especially in a city like Spb there is SO much to do that you will lack time to do half, and trust me DJK, you will meet women literally anywhere - so please don't go 'looking' for them like N()R writes. Go at leisure, take your time, and damn well open your mouth and talk to those you think are nice. This will keep you busy I promise you, and only a smile to someone specific just might lead to coffee somewhere. You see, THIS is the difference there which is most striking. A lot of women are attractive, true, but they are exceptionally open to approaches from men, better still, they sometimes take the initiative and will approach you, and they just may be scarily young then also. Every man who has been there senses something is different. The avearage woman there is prettier than in the west, and they are open, friendly, seem honest and clearly value male attention. Compare that to the west - those who act like this can't be for real, they're slutty or hookers or need something from you. I've got no doubt that this aspect contributes to all those stories about Russian women being hookers, plus the fact that western women in general have a basic dislike for them. Hookers you will get there too, but the vast majority of the women there are real, genuine, fiendly and open, and very much approachable without a default defensive attitude western guys automatically expect, simply because they are used to it. Connected with this, often mentioned here is the fact that they seem to have a surprisingly healthy appetite for sex, but what do you think is the reason for that? Just being 'different'? They like sex, same like you & me, and same like 'our' women, make no mistake. Only our western culture has some defensive mechanisms grown in, bred in maybe, which are difficult to describe but bear down to women using sex as a means of trade, a weapon sometimes, and very often women feel they do a man a favour by having sex with him. Maybe not quite correctly put, but most will know what I'm talking about. Russian women don't do this per default, and I allocate this to the fact that they simply appreciate interaction with males, a certain form of honesty which hardly makes them sluts. Come on now Toad, you give new meaning to robbing the cradle if you're going to lurk outside schools/universities. Pedophile you, how young do you want them eh? They're students for crying out loud, have not yet any real life's experience - or maybe you were referring to picking up a professor hmm? DJK, to Spb you should go to meet her. I promise you you will have the time of your life - and that is without a social, and also when you won't 'click' with her. Only around Nevsky Prospect there is so much to do that you will need more time than you will have, and without lurking on corners or in shops you will meet more women than you can handle, if anything trust me on that. Oh, that is if you're not the overly introvert shy type, but even then it will be different than 'at home'. Good luck, and have fun! DJK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2005 4:52:13 AM   Will do... thanks again Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > 2005 Tours
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