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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > HOW TO LEARN THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE ? Author Post RICH100 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 4:04:41 AM   I am an Australian man looking for a Russian Lady and I figure the chances are better if I learn to speak (and even write ) the language. I have seen web sites, heard of tapes,CDs and books, there may even be local courses in Sydney, but before I outlay the money and spend the time, can anyone give me a lead on the best way to go ? Thanks, Richard. Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 5:16:49 AM   Hi Richard It will be a big task. If you can achieve it you will be well rewarded. I got books and I learnt the Cyrillic pronunciation. I might be a slow learner, but that was a mission on its own. I would think going and doing a full term, intense coarse would be the best option. I learnt all the intro and pleasantry words etc, trouble was, all the Russian words I learnt, the Russians I met knew those words in English. I want to learn Russian myself, I think I will wait until I am married, and then slowly learn off her. – Good luck. Keep an update on your progress. Peter felicedate Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 5:33:47 AM   Give up guys!:-) A guy with a diploma in Russian and English languages and literature tells this! Russian is really one of the most difficult languages in the world(after Chinese and some other Asian), sometimes I think that guys who invented it were all the time drunk and always were forgetting what they invented on the previous day. Phonetics and grammar of Russian are the hardest for an English speaker. I have seen foreigners speaking more or less good Russian only on TV, never in real life. Even one German gentleman whom I know(he works already for 3 years as an engineer at a German-Belarussian joint venture) speaks only German. N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 5:51:14 AM   I DL'ed the Pimpsler CD's on the net.. I try to learn but it is very hard. The Pimpsler CD's are not so bad I think. The problem by learning from a CD is that you will never learn the letters, so reading is impossible... The words are repeated, and they split the words up in smaller pieces so it is easier to learn them. The way I see it the CD's are ok, but the value is limited. They can teach you some basics, some words and sentences. And I already have been in situations where I can use some of it, but I never think the CD's alone can help me become a fluent speaker of Russian. My main problem is time.. You need time to listen to a cd... I don't have that time right now.. Annika77 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 5:51:34 AM   I have seen forigners speaking reasonable russian. Brits, germans, finns. Estonian is very different language still most of estonians speak russian. But for person who only speak english and have never studied any other language ...it might be hard. I think language cources with native russian teacher is right thing to do. N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 5:53:59 AM   Pimpsler?? Nooooo Pimsleur!Pimsleur!Pimsleur!Pimsleur! Pimsleur!Pimsleur!Pimsl eur! Pimsleur!Pimsleur! Pimsleur! izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 5:57:28 AM   Rich This is a thorny question that we have tackled before. Before I visited Ekaterinburg I thought that learning Russian was a little redundant. It is a hell of an undertaking. Different alphabet, pronunciation is diabolical and the grammar is totally different. It isn't far removed from learning Chinese, it is definitely in the same category. I bought a set of CDs/DVDs from Ebay and they sucked the big one. A total rip off. If you are going to get something get something reputable and spend the money. Anyway, where I live we speak English and Spanish predominantly and a sprinkling of French I have enough to handle already. Plus the fact that Marina is going to have to learn better English. She is also going to have to learn Spanish. I said to myself why bother. She took the same viewpoint. Constantly discouraging me believing that my energy would be better spent in another direction. Then I went to visit. Sooner or later you will find yourself alone and having a little Russian is extremely useful. I went for a walk one day and needed a toilet. That got interesting!! I had to wait until I made it back to the apartment. I went to a reastaurant/bar one day for coffee and toast. Not an easy experience. I am torn by this. I feel fairly sure that I will end up marrying Marina and I sure as shit am not going to live in Russia, at least not for a very long time. So what is the point? I think I will take some adult education classes but I am not going to give myself a headache over this one. My best wishes to you and you have my deepest respects if you pull this one off. Good luck. Annika77 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 6:01:30 AM   We speak 5 languages me and my boyfriend : english, estonian, dutch, german, russian...so really convinient to travel. I like spanish and would like to study that too. Annika77 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 6:04:33 AM   All that CD and books stuff...I dont belive it...language comes in communication with native speakers and in cources. Its just some talented people who take language easily ...usually its quite hard work. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 6:35:25 AM   Annika You are absolutely right. I learned French by going there from childhood. I learned Spanish by visiting Guatemala and living with a family for 2 months. Zero English. I also had a private teacher for 5 weeks. 8 hours a day for 5 days a week. Then practising in the market place etc. I also married a Cuban and have lived in South Florida for 20 years. If you don't make an attempt to learn Spanish here your life is limited. My in-laws speak no English and I was married for 12 years. I was forced to learn. There is no substitute for total immersion. I also agree with the talent thing. I have worked here for a long time and for a while there we had a lot of people from Brazil coming and shopping so 2 of my friends learned Portuguese. Just talented, especially one of them. He was one of the dumbest individuals I have ever met, a New Yorker with a strong accent, but he had a talent with language. Incredible. He would just learn. Much respect !! I wish I had that talent. It takes a lot of time and education to learn another language and formal classroom training is of little help. I have met many. Many Americans who have 3 classes in Spanish and can't speak a word. The only way to really learn is to live there and get your hands dirty. Ditto Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 7:57:20 AM   I learned what little Russian I know from Pimsleur. The problem is how many times can you ask Tverskaya street is or Yes, I am American. It might help Izi on his daily jaunt in search of coffee or a bathroom, but is useless when my fiancee and I are trying to work out our future. It may seem a bit calous, but I'm going to wait until she arrives and learn from her. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 8:11:19 AM   To learn Russian the fundamental issue is learning the cyrillic alphabet. I have used courses and they do help, but nothing like talking with people who speak the language. They have more vowels than english and different grammar issues, as for speaking in the male and female definitive. It is a difficult language, but not impossible to learn. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 8:45:00 AM   you know on a site on the interent there is some russian girls looking for men in sydney that are already in sydney. But I know some of them and would not recomend them. Thats a warning just in case you find them and become interested wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 8:52:32 AM   I have found the "Rosetta Stone" language course to be very helpful. The major drawback is that it must be done on a computer so you cannot take it the car to listen to. But it takes you through speaking, reading and even a section on writing. In the writing section the fact that you have to write the word repeatedly to get the proper spelling helps you (at least me) commit it to memory. But I would agree with the previous posts…you will never be able to become conversational until you spend time with a native speaker. Bill spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 9:39:24 AM   I agree with you,Izi,because in Arizona there are many Mexicans,and I have learned basically how to communicate out of necessity. I think that with Russian-Pimsleur is good,because you want to hear the sounds of certain words. There are many free resources also on the internet,and some of these will also link you to native speaker you can hear. I do not think it is good to push yourself too hard to learn. I do however use my knowledge in thought even while I am driving to work or out and about. I have several books on learning,and one of my favorite books suggested to me to "name everything in my home" My guitar has a sticker on it-gitara ( phonetic) my bathroom door says vannaya. I did not put tape on my couch ( divan ) but this is a word that we already know in english-as well as many other similiar words which Russia has adopted from us,and we from them. Park is park. Depending on what KIND of a learner you are,and HOW you best take in information--you might be better off to take small bites of learning. If not,and you feel as if you have to get a big dose quickly--you should just pay for some classes which are available at so many educational facilities. And buy a Russian-English dictionary. It will not really help you with present,past forms of the words--but many words in Russian have a core word,for example gavar-- and you then learn the different suffixes for this base word gavar-you, gavar-eet,gavar-esh and so on. I think the cyrillic alphabet is beautiful because once you learn it--the alphabets always represent the same sound,and you will be able to read most Russian words,even if you don`t know the meaning. The lady whom I speak with now is always very pleased to hear my attempts at her language. To consider--when in Mexico--use whatever you have for Spanish,because not only is it respectful,but people are sincerely pleased that you make the effort. I am certain it is the same anywhere. Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 5:12:44 PM   This book "The Penguin Russian Course" by Nicholas J Brown. Got it from Amoazon.com It is a good book to teach your self the alphabet and basic words. Learning this is not as hard as some above say. I have a memory like a siv, I think it took me a couple of weeks @ 1-2 hours a night. There is 8 Cyrillic symbols that will take you 70% of that time to embed into the grey matter. The others are simpler and some are literally the same as ours. felicedate Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2005 6:08:42 PM   One detail, guys. If i am not mixing the things, it is more or less easy for a human to learn things intensively until he/she is 16. This is why we get at least some basics of everything at school. With age it gets more and more difficult to make yourself study. You'd better have some fun!:-) Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/15/2005 5:04:25 AM   So True Felice - so very True. spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/15/2005 10:47:02 AM   Something else I do is go to Prompt Online Translations to practice. It is easy to use and free izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/16/2005 12:26:00 PM   Try Babel Fish. I find it much better than Propmt without the unnecessary email spam. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > HOW TO LEARN THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE ?
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