Sequence of events, our introductory letters cross, I receive hers first and reply with a bit of info, nothing heavy, then she replies saying she would like to meet me in Moscow, she doesnt supply email or mobile and the letter seems genuine, age difference isnt massive. Am I being over cautious or is this normal.
Ask Izi - he loooooooves Moscow women because they inevitably invite you over in the first letter, and he thinks that is better than StPetersburg women which wait with the invite until their second letter. He's impatient you see :)
Juxter, why don't you ask her the details you want? And next ask yourself if you will visit someone so far away after having received a single letter.
And no, this is not at all some scammerism, it is just that they seem to think you simply hop on a bus and come over for some coffee. Now if they would promise a cookie to go with that ....... ;-)
Read around, don't send money and get a feel for things, you'll learn.
Thanks for info Thunderdome, info like that tends to keep me on an even keel, I did reply by saying I wanted to correspond with her for a while, maybe time has taught me to be patient, sounds like I used to be like Izi. It does seem expensive coffee even with a cookie thrown in!
juxter TD is joking with you. He knows that I have a real down on women from Stp and Moscow. The reason is becuase of exactly this situation.
They stuff like "get your ass over here my ovaries are drying up and I think I only have one egg left. For the love of God head for the airport" :)))
Izi, from your experience where do the level headed and genuine girls reside, I know they are all individuals but I get the impression that girls from different countries/areas are similar if you know what I mean (its been a long day)
After five trips to the FSU in the past 12 months (sixth trip in a few days), I can honestly say that the best girls that I've met live in St. Petersburg. They seem to be more educated and cultured, but equally beautiful as girls anywhere in the FSU. They tend to be more worldly than girls from a smaller cities or villages, due to all the foreigners that visit St. Petersburg. Also, St. Petersburg is not a bad place to live, so if they want to leave I'd feel more comfortable that it was because of the relationship rather than because they don't want to live in a small village in Uzbekistan.
Having said that, there are a number of guys on this forum that received a few letters from girls in St. Pete or Moscow and formed conclusions about *all* girls from those cities. That's too bad because they are missing out on some great women. It may be true that a girl from Kherson or Chernivitsi may be more willing to write letters for a few months, but I've found that writing letters is largely a waste of time anyway, so personally I don't see that as an advantage.
VNVnation Thanks for that, as I thought, everyone is an individual the world over. I need some Physical contact with these girls, my phylosophy in keep your sails up and be prepared to catch any breeze that comes by, dont you just love life!
LOL, yeah, my email is the name of my favorite song by a band called the Swans.
If you look at the stats for some of the more popular girls on this site, they get many letters every month. Put yourself in their shoes--if you were getting 50-100 letters every month you might start saying that you didn't want to write letters anymore but you'd like to meet in person.
Anyway, you do need physical contact with these girls. I think it's best to pick a city, set up a few meetings, get a backup plan in place, and GO!
VNV, now you are talking my language here! I am not sure about the letters and the meetings to be honest. Women are different in the bigger cities contra the smaller ones, that is one aspect. Then there has something to do with age I think. The younger ones I guess are a little more hasty than the older ones.. But of course they are not a homogenic group of people so they are all different. BUT, when you are talking about picking a city I really agree with you!! This is important I think!!!
Pick a city that is easy to get to, don't make the trip harder for you than neccessary. Remember, you might have to go there several times, also when you later are visiting your mother in law for the vacation... puhh.. Do you really want to spend 10 hours in a plane, then another 5 in a train for finally have a 2 hour busride at some bumpy roads? Ok, so this woman from outside all civilisation is a beauty, but do a search on a bigger city that is easy to get to, I am sure you will find just as many beautiful women there... And the best part, it saved you almost a day of travelling... One more day to date...
Backup plan is a great thing I think. I would definitely have a backup plan if I had to go as far as some of you guys are... What if the lady isn't close to your dream at all? Have a backup plan, and don't hesitate to use it! This trip has already cost you heavily, make the best out of it! That s the reason I started looking in Tallinn in the first place, ok, the ladies there are a little more "European" I guess, but they are only 50 minutes away.. hahaa.. ALso Ukraine is about 2 or 3 hours... not too bad... So I find myself there some weekends now and then... (I know, I am a lucky bastard... if the lady was nothing for me, I can just go back the next weekend and date another one..)
But you know, even I like to have seen a little more than one letter before I go there... Don't be too hasty.. Be a little selective, I am sure the ladies are as well!
And again, I would like to remind you to be realistic in your search for a lady. SOme of you have understood this completely, but there are still some in their 50's here that really believe that 22 yo beauty find him sexy and attractive... OPEN your eyes, and use your brain!!! It is absolutely NOT realistic!! Ok, maybe you get some great (?) sex, but do you really see yourself as a 70 yo guy with a 35 yo beauty at your side??? I think she have been long gone by then! Find someone close to your own age, I say max 10 years, I know others say 15, but I am not going to stretch further than that! Did you find the old lady in her 50 to 60's in the next house attractive when you were 22? Please don't dissapoint me now.. lol...
Myself I was quite selective when I found my woman from Estonia. She had a great job, nice house, a new car and a good life. She really didn't need me at all... THat is great to think about for me, because it mean she isn't coming here because of money or because she does not like the way she live. She do come because she actually like this psycho Viking.. Great for me I guess..
It is hard to know if they fall for you because of the hope for a better life or if it is love, but I can promise you the chances of being love is at least much higher if your age is close to eachother. I know some have been lucky, but I don't think they belong to the majority. My woman is 8 years younger than me, and I find it perfect! I have no idea if it will last, but I cross my fingers. We have some obstackles we need to take care of, so who knows? It can be over before it really started, but it can also be the great one. At least I know it will not be because of the lack of love, it will be only practical reasons that will be a factor if we choose to go separate ways, NOT age...!
Thats it for now.. JUST BE REALISTIC! These women are not just a doll to show off, they are supposed to be your best friend, lovers and life-companion!
I just have to add... Even if she is a beauty, and your phone-conversations and emails are really great, there are still something called chemistry between people.. think about it for a sec..
VNV I never thought of it like that, NOR, thanks for taking the time with your extensive reply, practical reasoning wins the day over emotional thinking. I am going to Prague in November, I know this is more westernised but I am hoping it will give me a taste of Eastern Europe and as you say easier to get to along with Riga and Tallin. I am trying to stay realistic on the age thing, for a long term relationship I was thinking of no more than 12 years younger. Totally agree with the chemistry bit.
Jux your being Normal. I will be in Moscow soon. I have had a girl there
that me and her write to each other Monday thru Friday like 10 times a day.
we speak on phone and she's cool. not to mention HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. But besides that she has funny personality, But she can have her moods...
I do not plan to stay there the whole time.
Jux before you even might find the right one, you might speak to a number
before you choose the right one. it all just depends. but your in great shape
because I can only fit like 4 in my suit case:)))
Best of luck to you.
Juxter, you mention you're going to Prague. I've never been there myself but recently met a guy who's lived there for a year (as well as several years in Riga and Tallinn), and he said it's all but impossible to meet local women there. Apparently the city is so overrun by "ryanair scum" (gangs of lager louts coming to whore and drink themselves legless) that they turn their back on you the moment they hear you utter a word of English. Just one guy's comment, but it makes sense to me that the locals in Prague are sick of having their city being overrun by tourists. He mentioned that Riga is much better. Another thing this guy mentioned (perhaps some of you could comment on that) was that he much prefers the native Latvian women (as opposed to the russian ones living there). The latter he saw as more likely to be mercenary.
curmudgeon, Yes Ive heard these things too, im going midweek, hoping to miss all that, cost of air ticket £50 nothing lost even if I back out. Riga and Tallin are also on my list for this year and possibly russia if things develop
I have to agree with you to certain point. Actually I have never been to Prague, and that is a shame to be honest since all my friends tell me it is soooo great... (not talking about women). Yes, after Ryanair and others started their direct-flights these cities have been overrun by drunk, ugly bastards that for some reason think they own the city they show up in... As a Norwegian I didn't meet much negativity, but I would not like to be a Finish guy in Tallinn, they are stamped in the forhead the minute they arrive... Wow.. some of them are really loud and think they are the center of the world...
I am usually quite outgoing, but when going to these bars and nightclubs in the citys flooded by this kind of "tourists" I keep a low profile. For some reason it seem like they notice anyway that I am foreign, but different from these "drunkheads". You can approach a woman there, and she will be quite friendly but what I have discovered is that the women are approaching me instead of me approaching them... -nice change anyway... At home they look at me like I was some kind of freak if I for some reason should talk to them... Here you better ask for directions or what time it is...
Turn of the "woman-radar", they can sense it if you are too interested, or if you go from one woman to the next... Just switch off the "radar", enjoy your drink, relax, be friendly and see what happens next.