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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Russian Female Doctors Author Post geriatrix Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2005 12:07:18 PM   Russian Female Doctors Since there is a shortage of doctors in many western countries one would guess that female doctors who submit a profile are genuinely looking for a man - not just a ticket to a western country, since they should have a reasonable chance to immigrate on their own merits. Or am I wrong? Neonred Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2005 2:18:09 PM   I don't know about other countries, but I think they don't have any better chance of getting into the US than most others. And they definitely will not be able to come here and practice medicine without going back to school after they move here. But I am sure you are correct in assuming they are in most cases genuine in there search for a man. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2005 4:04:38 PM   Are they doctors or do they just have a medical degree? Many say they are lawyers but they're not, they just have a law degree. I'm aware of many foreign nurses being employed in UK but as already been pointed out, if they were to come across wanting to be a doctor then they would have to study, sit the exams, and start all over again. Without disrespect to nurses, anyone can be a nurse but a doctor, that's something different. VNVnation Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2005 4:15:33 PM   I don't see why a female doctor would be any more or less sincere than any other woman. I knew one female doctor in Tver who made about $80/month, working 11 days every two weeks. She lived in a tiny apartment with her mother and had a pretty rough life. When I was seeing her I did some research on what it would take for her to practice medicine in the U.S. Aside from the language barrier, she would have had to go through a lot of training here. I don't think she would have any advantage in immigrating to the U.S. without a fiance visa. nomad Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2005 10:22:31 PM   This is one topic that i have personal knowledge of ,the US doesnt give any advantage at all to russian or fsu physicians trying to immigrate here. To practice medicine here they are required to sit for all the base exams again as well as completing 3-5 years of a supervised residency program before they can practice independently , many have resorted to working in ancillary medical services such as a laboratory or went into different work entirely because they could not put up with the rigors of trying to practice here. Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2005 3:12:29 AM   Same in NZ Some years ago foreign doctors were alowed in but then couldnt get registration and ended up working in McDonalds. Its the same for dentists. I know of a dentist that resat all the papers. It took six years. Not so easy if english isnt your first language. For a lawyer it would be worse. Law is based on case history. Nothing they have learnt, would apply here. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2005 6:02:38 AM   My first Russian gilfriend introduced me to a freind of hers, who told me she had been a DOCTOR in Belarus. This former supposed MD seemed quite upset that she was not allowed to practice in the US. Where she had counted on resuming her profession she instead was now employed as an administrative assistant. The reason for the entire introduction was that I was having some pain in my shoulder - which was later revealed to be a full tear of my rotator cuff. My lady suggested that rather than have American doctors ("quacks" as she called them) treat me with their ineffective and expensive methods - I let her friend do the job. I was advised that this would all be done through weekly sessions of having colored, heated stones placed on my back for the proper amount of time, all in a line wiht my spinal cord. Gee... I wonder why wasn't this "Dcotor" allowed to move right into private practice in the US? izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2005 6:22:34 AM   I finished with a lovely lady in Moscow for a couple of reasons. Not least of which was because she was a doctor. I have a friend who is married to a Colombian doctor. She is becoming a nurse here in Florida. I had a long talk with her. believe me it is virtually impossible to become a doctor here in the USa if you were quailified somewhere else. There are many factors involved and they all say impossible. Bagira Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2005 11:39:25 PM   I have a friend. She passed all doctor's exames and 5 years of residency program (othen 36 hours of work without sleep). It took her 10 years. So it is possible for russian woman to become a doctor in the US. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/27/2005 9:15:42 AM   It is possible but practically very dificult. I can give very specific details Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2005 4:22:39 PM   10 years study! Be a good case for looking for MUCH younger? izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2005 2:56:16 PM   Bagira Let us just address the question of residency being as you brought it up. Have you got any idea how difficult it is to find a place that will let you have a residency? It is incredibly difficult. So a person goes through years of study in addition to what they have already done in FSU then they have to have a residency in a hospital to complete ther program. They will not be able to find one. The reason why is because they only want so many residents in any given hospital. That hospital will have an affiliation with a particular teaching institution and that is where they will get their residents from. Therefore if you are from outside the system and have had some of your qualifications converted over from South America or FSU you are coming in half way through. That boils down to money. The most popular place for residency for people in this position is Puerto Rico. They will take folks from anywhere but still there is a waiting list. It is true that people do it but it is enormously difficult. Much easier to have 2 years of the 4 year nursing program cut in half and become a nurse. In my friends case it is merely going through thr motions because she already is a doctor. She is educated already far beyond the nursing standard so it is easy for her. It still takes 2 years though. Mindwire Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/4/2005 4:41:18 AM   Even if an FMG (Foriegn Medical Graduate) can accomplish their licensing here in the U.S., and pass state board requirements, there are not many opportunities for placement in a hospital or to join a practice unless they are very specialized. When I was in college, I used to set up interviews for recruiters at Jackson & Coker (the U.S.'s largest physician recruiting firm)and the majority of opportunities ( I would say well over 85%) state that they specifically do not want FMG's. The positions for FMG's are not even in the same pay range as they are for U.S. trained physicians. Emmigrating on her own merits would be tough unless she already has a job offer here in the U.S.... Pretty hard to do unless she went to medical school, completed her residency here, & maintained her licensing; then went home for some reason.... Typically, the physicians who train here in the U.S. & then return to their home country are ditching the tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars in U.S. student loans provided to them by our Government, so they can go home and make 3 or more times what an established physician is making because they are U.S. trained. I'd have to agree with izi. getting into the system from outside would be difficult and time consuming. She would have to have a surplus of knowledge, experience, ability, & cash to make the fast track to practicing medicine in the U.S...... otherwise.... enroll her in medical school (providing she can get in), hope the University will accept her previous training, and run her through residency again.... 10 years later, she gets a shiney otoscope and a piece of paper on the wall at home..... NOW she has to go find a job, with that FMG designation..... If you weigh the time & cost against the reward of being an underpaid physician.... the over-qualified nurse starts looking pretty good..... Mindwire Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/26/2005 10:10:56 PM   Here's a good place to Start if you're bringing a physician over from the FSU. http://www.russiandoctors.org/forum/index.php nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/26/2005 11:11:11 PM   3 times, hmm, so they can make 700 USD a month, now that's what I would spend 8 years of my life trying to attain. Mindwire Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2005 1:17:50 AM   nas; Are you implying that FSU physicians earn $230 USD per month? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2005 6:57:33 AM   Mindwire Physicians do not make that much money, at least not in Ukraine. Medicine is still socialized, and government controlled.They can wait for months for payment from the government. Their is a free market medicine in Ukraine but it is very expensive for the average Ukrainian. A friend of ours just went and had a mammogram done in private clinic, the price 350 hyvrnas. Average Ukrainian earns about 1200 hyvrnas a month. Calculate that by the exchange rate little under 70 USD to the mammogram. Physicians in the FSU are not on the wage scale as the US, not even close. Mindwire Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2005 7:28:23 AM   Seems pretty low, but explains a few things if your numbers are correct..... 10 bucks a day....? You sure about that one nas??? GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2005 2:37:33 PM   Mind, YES. Most FSU countries still maintains the same basic medical infrastructure they had during soviet times. Whatever changes have come have not dramatically changed the 'low pay' status doctors have. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2005 6:07:32 PM   Mindwire There was a documentary on HBO Called Chernobyl Heart. Where during a surgery the American doctor explains the cost of the Patch he was placing in the childs heart was about 600 USD, then he went to comment that was about three times of what a Surgeon would earn in a month in the FSU. Also I have spoke with one of Larissa's friends the last time in Mariupol who is a doctor and she explained much of the payment schedules and fee's in socialized medicine. Pretty shocking, but then again they are not held bound by attorneys, malpractice insurance and many other of the pitfalls of tort revenue created here in the states. Later Mike Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Russian Female Doctors
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