I am just about up to my neck with all these nay sayers.
The sky is falling!
Forget it!
They are using you!
How do you think you will keep a beautiful Russian woman!!??
I am sick of it. Why don't all of you go away and leave this forum to the men that are actually involved in this and let us make our own mistakes? The reason is that you are so painfully wrong about everything that I can't describe it.
So bog off and leave us alone we have enough trouble organizing trips and discussing the practical aspects of this without some idiot on the sidelines saying:
"I hope when you get to Blackpool all the donkeys are dead"
We know the risks it is a constant in our minds so if you don't
mind, stop rubbing it in. It is our problem not yours.
And as for the wanker that is impersonating Lena why don't you get a life you moron. Leave both Lena and Toad alone it is none of your business and I am furious to read that crap.
How about the administrators taking some action and removing any post with that name and also blocking that members id?
Izi, you took the words right out of my mouth, I just returned from my morning constitutional with the thought to write similar items. I suggest Olga start a new forum for thes a-holes, maybe call it "fiance losers" or "fiance bitchers"
These losers that get joy from passing off poor information-is it any wonder their marriages and relationships have failed. With their attitudes, they will continue to fail, even with the ladies of their own country.
Maybe Izi and I are a bit pissed today but I need to get this off my chest.
If you are dating and plan to marry an FSU girl, you better look very clearly at what she has to endure to come to your country. It is going to be f*cking tough on her and she is going to be very emotional and moody. If you are not ready for that, in fact, if you have not totally prepared yourself for that fact, you are just freaking stupid. She is leaving her friends, her family, her comfort zone, her independance, everything. And now she is totally dependant on a man, for her money, for activities to fill her empty days, for everything. She is in a forgein country, has limited knowledge of the language (even if she is fluent we have so much slang in our country she will not understand). She can not work for a while, she can not drive for a while. She is depressed, she wonders if she made the correct decision, life sucks except for having a man. And if this man is not totally supportive and understanding, guess what-she does not even have the man she wanted.
IMHO, when my Sveta comes to America to live with me, the first year will be "Disneyland". I will do whatever needs to be done to make sure she has time to adjust to her new life. Everything in her life may look like sh*t but she will always be able to roll over in her bed and find the husband she came to America for. When I finish my work, I will be at home-with my wife, not out with the boys at the bar or somewhere. After time, our marriage will settle down but I will show her she is the most important person in my life. She will never doubt she made the right decision to marry me. Sure she will miss her home and family and friends and her former life, but she will know for freaking sure that her 6 years search for a man is over, it is freaking over forever (provided something does not kill me).
So all you that are not willing to give 100% or did not give 100% in the past and are blaming the FSU girls, F*CK OFF.
Before everyone suggests I am saying we should be "doormats", that is not what I am saying-we just need to have extra compassion and understanding for our mates.
izi, sailor, I support you completely.
yes! Men, stop being losers. if you made stupid mistake and sent money, smile on your self, and learn. do not cry about it and blame everybody else for your stupid mistake.
if a girl dumped you after some time of writing, talking on the phone, sending flowers even visiting, it is a life. there is no magic here. Nobody will sell you herself or a wife. It is a normal dating process, but more difficult as you are separated by huge distance sometimes.
I "like" a person who sends a gift to a girl, then she tells him she doesn¡¦t want to continue communication, and that guy to proof that he is a looser reports her to all scam list, FBI, INS, makes charge backs on his credit card charges for the gifts he sent her... he he :)
FSU girls are humans. Remember everybody adjust differently, one has homesick, other doesn¡¦t. relationship can become unbearable after 1 week between to peopleƒº people are people. So it does require efforts from your site to find your match locally, or in another country.
Izi, may be we actually wee need to have those "Nay sayers" from time to time on the forum. So we crash them and proof our points:)
we will clean up some posts, please email me links.
When my first wife ran away with the plumber, I did not cry scammer. When my second marriage failed (after 14 years) and I paid my ex $50K plus the house and everything we owned, I did not cry scammer. God forbid, if something happens between my girl and me, I will have lost well over $10K and I count myself lucky to have met and loved such a fine example of a beautiful human. Sure a few are scammers, but most are just folks just like us searching for love.
If you try and fail, then be a man-pick yourself up and try again; if not FSU then somewhere else but do not blame the girls for your failure.
I appreciate CS and Oleg's support. Between the idiot that keeps making fun of Lena and the morons who are all doom and gloom I find the forum depressing.
I see Oleg locked the "Toad's final update before permanent retirement" - at last. That was a sad tragic little affair and has nothing to do with any of the rest of us especially some idiot who thinks it is funny.
10's of thousands of men all over the world go to FSU to find ladies. Hundreds of thousands of women try to find men from the west. Are they all scammers and losers? No of course not they are sincere people who for a variety of genuine reasons want to find a partner outside their own country. They definitely do not want greencards or to rob some poor unsuspecting guy.
There are far more success stories than failures and it is true that things are speeded up but they work anyway.
Before I went to Kherson to find a wife I called the sister of the owner of the agency I used who lives in Tampa Florida. Just up the road from me. She told me an interesting story. Her husband came to Kherson and asked her to marry him after a week!!
He then returned to America and started the paperwork. The next time she saw him was in Tampa!!
They were together for about a year and then she had a baby. That child is 5 now and they have been together for about 6 years. She told me that she never thought that she would marry a man 19 years older than herself. I also found out that they had a business that went under and she stuck with him. Now they are stable again.
I did not believe my ears when she told me all this so I double checked and everything she said was true.
My friend in Kharkov says that the Slav womans mind is different to a western woman. They meet you and decide if they want you. They may not be head over heels for you at that moment but it comes very quickly. Then because of that 'instant' commitment the deeper love comes in time. That is why these fast relationships work.
One of the main reason for this is what Sailor said. His description of how he will treat his lady is typical.
THEY ARE NOT USED TO THAT KIND OF TREATMENT!
They get treated like crap normally. So when a man comes along and sits with that sick child all night and goes and gets the groceries and asks her how she wants the kitchen decorated it is a BIG deal.
I wonder what the exact situation was with all these failures? I was not there I did not see what happened.
I hope this nonsense is reduced because it is not just me and Sailor. I just got off the phone with my friend on his way to the airport to catch a plane to Ukraine right now(he was in his car). He said to me did you see that crap on the forum? He went so far as to say that the Australian contingent must have some kind of problem for such a level of failure. I don't endorse that statement but it makes you wonder. The Americans and Europeans don't seem to be having the same level of failure!
Rectal Prodigys would be a good forum for these idiots to post under. I've always like the words anal retentive, that describes a few here. Wtrav02 come out, come out where ever you are!!
Actually, it's not all bad. What izi, oleg, & sailor are saying above adds insight to what these women go through when coming to another country. How many western men would be willing to go to Russia or Ukraine, sight unseen & not understanding the language or customs, to be with a woman from an FSU country? I'm guessing not too many. Things look a little different when you reverse the roles....
Mindwire, count me as one of the crazy that has offer to move to FSU to be with my girl and her son. To give up a job making over $200K a year to be a doorman for $100 a week just to find love and family. I have had all the material things of this life, now I want my beautiful wife and family. Nevertheless, opening doors for strangers is not in my future, she has chosen to come to America and not have me move to Belarus. Darn, I was really looking forward to wearing on of those doorman uniforms with the little hat, jacket, etc.
Sailor;
If you're qualified to make $200k a year, you might start out at something that pays $100 a week, But you're not going to be there very long. It's like anything else... You capitalize on your current position a little here & a little there... when it's time you gracefully step into something better. Some people think that money is security... people who think that, will never actually have security. The only real security a man can have is a wealth of knowledge, experience and ability. Without these 3 things money is basically useless!
Take everyone in Louisiana that got creamed by the hurricane, give each $50,k & watch to see what happens. Those who have knowledge, experience, & ability will prosper. Those that were sitting on a bridge waiting for a handout (who couldn't figure out how to make a latrine or a shelter to get the kids out of the hot sun), Will Perish! Your personal posessions can be wiped out in an instant. Your knowledge, experience, and ability are with you until Alzheimers or severe disability sets in!
Doorman Story:
I was checking into a hotel north of Minneapolis a couple of weeks ago, this lady comes down to the desk to retrieve the keys to her Mercedes she had given to the Valet. The desk clerk informs her "We don't have a Valet!". They call police, and of course the cops already knows where her car is, because the guy parked it in a pond a few blocks away! Apparently this woman thought all black men standing in front of a hotel were Valet parking guys. There was no way to keep a straight face, and these old birds were shooting me some pretty nasty looks as I stood there laughing about their dilemma as it unfolded. There was no point in even trying to be subtle. Once the police left, there was finally a clerk available to run my card & give me a key card.
Guess that's what you get for assuming that everyone of a certain race (or from a certain country) fits into your little predetermined package!
Mindwire, thanks, exactly my point to my lady. I may start at the bottom but I will quickly multiply my assets to capitalize in what ever environment I find myself.