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First it should be pointed out to you that International Law does not allow for people to be bought & sold. The term "mail-order-bride" is a mis-nomer if you haven't figured that out yet. It doesn't work that way. I do not find it unusual that you are able to make a blanket statement about me, or the people who use this site, because you have no problem making a blanket statement against all Russian women, and the entire Russian Society.... In my book that makes you a bigot, a fake, and a wanna-be. Since I have not been to Russia yet, (to pick out my trophy-wife from off the shelf) it would be difficult for me to be fornicating with Russian women.... except for a friend's wife.... but I think that he & I would have a few words over that one! :o)
Actually, I don't think you know anything about American women, and I'm sure most here are not as scared of American Women as they are disgusted by their attitudes & ideals. Anyone who is looking for a woman to control is looking for a "Pet" not a "Wife". Why reach out to the other side of the planet to find a woman to control, when you can find that at the local tavern? Your "Religion" however, will continue to "spread the message" and infiltrate peoples rights until everyone on the planet subscribes to their way of thinking. They seek the Ultimate form of social control..... more idiots to subscribe to someone else's way of thinking! Your statement: "I know true American women scare these guys off. because thet believe in controlling a poor helpless (manipulative) Russian woman who is so dependent on her American husband. I have seen this hundreds of times,....." Instantly tells everyone here that you are up to your eyeballs in bullshit! You do not personally know hundreds of couples (him American & her Russian) that got together because he was "afraid" of all American women so he decided to find a Russian wife he could manipulate & control her. Such a statement just adds to the incredibility of what you are saying.
For you, and everyone else who visits this forum: "IF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE IS NOT BASED IN TRUTH OR FACT, PUT IT IN THE "STUPID SHIT PEOPLE SAY" FORUM! ..... Yeah, I know.... it doesn't exist... I'll make a new topic just for you when I'm done here...
As for Abortion in Russia.... I could really give a Rip less! I just sent an ex-girlfriend on her way down the road tonight, who's trying to figure out if she should have an abortion. She said she wanted my opinion, I told her "Don't date the owner of the strip club you work at!" That's my opinion!
As for your closing statement:
"I await the taped record of this. Scriptures or not".
Just be sure to spell my name right......
Vanechka- I know more than 1 couple still together here in the land of oz. not me of coarse as I fall into the bad catigory you speak of. but they do exist and I do know them
Olga- hope you were not refuring to me when you said that about oz. But, whatever!
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I am not old and balding. And every russian girl I have meet (in general) is smarter, more independant and has more resolve then most of you average, fat stupid western women who look at there refection every day and tell them selves big is beautiful
Enough said. Sure, I will leave you in peace but I will refer groups to check these boards to monitor your comments if things get worse.
You don't understand that many men in USA are not desperate or will pay you a dime to find a wife among a country that has discarded God in the trash can (the Communist Revolution of 1917). And if any of you Russians dares to curse God in writing. we will have many people looking at this site. So pleae do not tell a Christian to get lost. considering the history of Russia and this whole bride thing. So put the thing in writing if that is what you REALLY feel. In writing, please.
Sorry. but things have to be said. If this disagrees with your marketing people, then so be it.
God Bless you Olga, and know that it is not too late to seek forgiveness instead of the almighty American dollar.
all with true brains need to help me protect god from religion. What a joke, a christian lecturing anyone about profiteering. Give money or get lost. thats your moto last time I checked
Err
I am an American. I am not a christian (small c) I do not recognise the lord (small l). Why are you posting here? Why do all these stupid right wing christians insist that everybody else has to think like them? I do not believe in god or jesus or the bible. Neither will you ever convince me that I should. You are wasting your breath.
I come here to discuss finding a future wife in the former soviet union not to have somebody try to force their religious beliefs down my throat by vague threats about religious persecutors. That is what you are saying isn't it? That if we do not cooperate with you we are going to have the forum clogged up with a bunch of twits writing scriptures at us?
I will just go somewhere else. No problem.
The most amusing thing to me about christians is that they love to squeal about being persecuted but are the fastest ones to persecute others. Ditto the jews, except at least they don't knock on your door and bother you with the 'word'. They don't foul up internet forums either. However they do also claim they are the 'chosen ones' and then wonder why folks find them irritating.
I think Olga would be doing all of us favor if she exercised a little 'religious persecution' and wiped out this thread then deleted every post this turkey makes.
I would love to have an oportunity to anoint this idiot. It would involve a cup of coffee and urine.
These folks always want to 'save' me - I just wish somebody would save me from them !!
Amateur?
He/She's professional in stating something genuinely interesting, albeit left a door open which 'it' overlooked, in the haste to deposit an open threat here.
1-2-3-4 wrote: "Defenders of those who reject Christiany. Where are these Russian women getting these "values" from?"
That indeed must be intriguing for you, not so?
You, indoctrinated from cradle to present, no doubt to be continued to your grave, and trying to force down what you think is irresistibly contageous unto others in a 'take it or else..' manner.
For some reason you’ve always reminded me of an undertaker, hinting at doom & gloom, and surely you, taking your nick into account, won’t mind if I call you Crow – a counting one, with a capital C?
So, Crow, your baffling statement above, sprouting from your inherent beliefs to follow some man-made rules, man-written in tablets of stone however dictated by some alien as legend will have it, is so logical for you that you deduce only 1 answer? Sit tight, I’ll show you the door, that open one, and no need even to kick it in.
You see, being religious, believing in something or anything, is an utter personal prerogative, and funnily enough so is the opposite. You clearly do believe in something, a fact which makes you hardly unique in this forum, however you seem to be extremely one-track minded, in fact you’re wearing blinders for you cannot see off-track.
That’s a rather limited view then, and this your statement above displays.
Let an atheist/agnost or non-believer, if anything the misnomer of mankind, show you the way, and if you will choke on it then so be it. If anybody else does, please don’t take it personal because this only is me personal, an inherent aspect of any belief.
Counting one, your views are paramount to you because you – clearly – count. We all know that counting never stops, we’ve all heard about infinity, but unfortunately we, man, expire ourselves, no one ever sees infinity. This never was a pleasant thought, and tales are numerous about all kinds of eternity, fountains of youth etcetera, simply because they are pleasant visions to dream about.
Did you know that this simply is borne out of the fact that man is lucky (is he?) to be able to think and reason? Anyway, soothers had to be invented to lessen the impact of the realization of being mortal, temporary, and out of all historic inventions religion has proven to be most effective.
Most promise some form of immortality, the ultimate man can wish for, hence can be used to control people. And control they do, look at yourself, but only when these promises are indoctrinated from the cradle. This is a powerful means to control masses, but also to gather means with which power can be gained, making it a vicious circle. In contradiction to you I endorse the word vicious – did you know that the Roman Catholic Church is the wealthiest business (also a correct word) on Earth?
In any case, if you think you’ll live forever you were absent during your biology classes, However you may try. You did go to school now did you? Then you must also have heard of the fact that others may have, and are even entitled to, a different opinion than the one you may have, and this fact is, except from utterly human, also the foundation for whatever beliefs you subscribe to.
Coming back to your statement, embedded in it you state that christianity is absent in Russia hence you wonder where the alleged values of their women comes from.
Let’s first give you the full benefit of the doubt, you’re spot-on in diagnosing that they’re a lot of atheists, they’re all agnostic and no-one beliefs in any god except the mighty ruble. So there, a lot of primitive barbaric creatures living by the day, fighting for survival and no ethics at all. Oh yeah, and they fornicate at random hence have to resort to abortions frequently, according to your stats a skyhigh frequency. Let’s add some other stats you forgot to mention, their primitive healthcare infrastructure, and it in fact is a miracle that any women are left alive there.
So you’re right, more than you thought even.
But still these women have, indeed, a different set of standards than those in the west, and they really do live by them also. On average of course, but someone quoting stats surely will understand this. Now where will this phenomenon originate from?
Does is maybe dawn on you that people do not need a holy book, a sacred set of written rules to live by, to live as human beings and adhere to basic rules, rules so basic that these are only glorified in your book? Because of the fact that you see them in print, read them, think you understand them, quote them in your sleep or from your counsel, this does not mean that those who cannot even read, are dumb if you want to, do not adhere to basic humanity.
The Sterkfontein people had them, the San too, Koi ditto, and, like it or not, we all stem from them hence have them as a hereditary imprint in us. Those biology classes you missed, together with Darwin’s (and a lot of others) principles and some other related subjects, math’s included if not excruciatingly crucial.
Counting Crow, obviously you’ve in life limited yourself to reading and preaching, telling others what to do, and by the looks of things you relish in this. My kind word of advice to you is this: tell those who care, and those who are scared. They make gullible victims and you can prey on those, lots better than in an open forum in which you might make yourself ridiculous like you have done, and persist doing, here.
Accept that a belief cannot be forced down throats of adults, if only because everybody is entitled to his own. Everybody, you & me included.
FYI - FBI agents often move between offices. Just because someone isn't at the SD office now doesn't mean they weren't there at one time, especially because the mccoy case occurred in 2002.
O I gotta revitalise this threat, because it was sooo funny.
To get some facts before I get shot down by some of the big trolls here.
1. I am Dutch working in Egypt (why would I do it? Well I am educating people here a bit) and it is great.
2. my parents are both Dutch.
3. my sister is married to a Dutchman.
Here the for some of the trolls the ussual stops.
4. My Aunt is married to a Spaniard and has 2 Dutch-Spanish kids, why would she do such a thing? She fell in love.
5. The best friend of my Grandmother married a Dutch man, while she was from indonesia.
6. To review my friends, all dutch btw; one (she) married a Dane (he), one (he) is engaged to an American (she), one (he) is living together with an Aussie (he), one (he) is married to a Brazilian (she), two (he) are married to Dutch women, and the rest is in the dating scene. Some in Holland, some in other parts of the world.
7. To review my coworkers; Two (he) Dutch are married to South American wives, two (he) Dutch are married to Dutch wives, one (he) Dutch is married to an Egyptian wive, one (he) Egyptian is married to an English wife, one (he) American is married to a Russian wife, and numerous more examples.
8. Me; I am Dutch, working in Egypt and dating a Ukrainian girl which I by change met in Holland through friends while I was visiting my parents. And to be honest its a pain to see each other, so why go through with it? Well like all above mentioned it sometimes happen people can fall in love with someone that isn't their cousin ......
What I mean to say is that you can fall in love with anyone from anywhere, and sometimes sites like these can help with the first steps. Why do you think dating sites are so numerous in any country.
Yes you can get scammed and yes people are being scammed. But it is not the quality of the fisherman to hook the fish, but the greedyness of the fish to be hooked.
I am not a member and will never be a member on this site, so you can flame me for all you want, I think sites like these are great for the first step but the plunge into the deep should always be through personal contact.
By the way for contact all over the world there are some great things you can use.
Pen and paper together with a stamp, some call it postal service.
A silly thing like a telephone, nice if you want to hear the others voice.
But if you want to make sure you have the correct person you can always use stupid things like; ICQ, MSN and Skype (nice for video calls, you cannot only hear the person both also see him/her)
O and btw if you want to see honest pictures from men and women out of the Ukraine go visit: www.bigmir or www.flirt.com ua
As for belief systems, don't get me started or even try to get me into quoting passages from, the Bible, the Koran etc. For every quote you make, another can be made to counter it and fun its from the same book....
People who push belief systems on others had and always will have their A$$es handed down to them, anyone remember the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, the Crusades, a Jihad we might have soon?
If you belief fine, but respect anothers belief also and maybe we can learn from each other.
vanechka has some points but it is not a general thing. Normal couples from the same country are divorcing like rabbits running across a field when the hunters come. England has got a terrible divorce rate (2/3 divorce) and people are not staying together very long nowadays....I think it has become a fashion, afterall what man wants to live all his life with just one woman? I think as long as the kids grow up to a reasonable age, it doesn't really matter. So, Ukrainians divorcing western men is not unique, it's normal.
Secondly, yes the pay as you read dating sites are taking money off western men for strange letters and photos. Yes, some of them are scams but the ones who get scammers on their site are not scams, they just have scammers on their site. But it's business as usual and that is how they make their dough by selling letters. By the way, if you want to give your email or phone number on this site during the first "free" letter, do you think they will allow it, because none of my ladies has acknowledged my email address or phone number except one and she said she want to write on this site. SO, this is a thing I want to clear up myself. I meanm if the agency wants at leat one $8 letter before they will allow email addresses and phone swapping then we should all know. We will have to make a decision then whether we want to risk the $8 or not.
Lastly, women from FSU come from poor countries and it is only natural for them to want to build a better life for their children in a better country (economically speaking) But it wont stop the divorces and gold diggers, just like it wont stop normal western women from divorcing and gold digging....just look at Paul from the Beetles and Heather mills..she is a western gold digger. well, shit happens and there must be a reason why western guys like FSU women rather than their own. As for americans though, i cant understand why you come all the way to europe when you have fit, sexy colombian and latina women on your doorestep!!
Boredfukka,
Exactly the same experience as I had during my short and previous subscription to fiance.com.
My signature to my opening email would include my email address and I would ask them to contact me on that but not a single one of them did, they would all continue to respond, or indeed not respond, via the fiance.com communication (can't call it email) system.
Now if the lady is paying for the letter and/or translation then she couldn't give a sh1t to where the letter goes so there is OBVIOUSLY some financial incentive for the lady and/or agency to continue communications via the fiance.com website.
It has been suggested here previously, by fiance.com admin, that to give a personal email address is the choice of the lady and it is her personal contact information but an email address is not her phone number, receiving nuisance phone calls, or her home address, whereas a bored fukka may knock on the door, it is an electronic box with 'spam' or 'block sender' buttons to click for unwanted emails that the lady doesn't neccessarily need to open before losing them.
Now you work it out wny so many ladies choose to continue to communicate via fiance.com, I would even offer to accept their direct emails in Russian, and translate them myself via an electronic translator that whilst not perfect one could understand what they were trying to say, but still they continued to write via fiance.com despite my offer to save them their translation costs, if any!
Olegnay,
I will not argue with you on that point and indeed other guys have not reported the same problem(s) as I experienced, it is for every guy to see as he finds and I am/was obviously far from the only guy to experience the same.
Very interesting though that at 1644 E.S.T. you had just sent an email to a lady with agency email, now that would put the local time in the FSU between, and at the earliest, 2344 hours (practically midnight) and, at the latest, something like 0244 hours in the morning.
I have to congratulate fiance.com on the service they offer for the minimal fee they charge the guys each month, not only do they have H24 agencies but they have H24 ladies that sit in the agencies overnight waiting, and indeed responding to, any guy that should ask for their phone number.
Have you phoned or checked the number Olegnay, might it actually be the agency phone number and indeed, for such a 'right away' reply do you not find it unusual that the lady, just a random lady, was waiting in the agency for you, a guy that she has never heard of nor corresponded with, to ask for her phone number and for her to provide it?
I guess it couldn't have possibly been the agency responding to your letter, after all, who gets paid per letter?
"As for americans though, i cant understand why you come all the way to europe when you have fit, sexy colombian and latina women on your doorestep"
That is something of a mystery to me as well. If it was not for the fact that it takes some 12 0r 14 hours flight from uk to get there-Colombia is the place i personally would go to locate a decent woman. From the profiles i have seen of these women their Tits are certainly a lot bigger for a start. :) and that is a very important consideration.
and any way why dont these Americans try Mexican women?
That was the only drawback when i went went to Kharkov Ukraine last August 05. Too many Americans there:(