In other words do things your way or else, tight?
Neon has a point you did indeed bully the forum just as you say is happening to you now. I think your point has been absorbed by everyone just as I myself did the first tme around.
As a matter of fact I agreed with you on your sleight by Toad. However the reason that the entire forum wanted you to take a long walk off a short pier was because you tried to take over the forum. All you did was antagonize everybody.
I say by all means have a different opinion but don't try to say it is the only way or criticise other people. Your way is one way, your way, and that is right for you.
The problem here is that as with most folks that call a spade a spade they can dish it out but can't take it.
I also have called a spade a spade.
Now because many people disagree with you (I think not too sure don't ant to be dogmatic about that) you threaten.
That is nice.
We have enough trouble with religious nuts and doom and gloomers are you going to also fall into that bracket? Come on Martin you are an adult and a very smart, informed person do not stoop to that childishness you are above it.
At the risk of being a back slapper I whole heartedly agree with Nasfan.
We are indeed opposed in many areas but so what. There really is no need to threaten one another or not be able to take a disagreement without becoming antagonistic. Actually I don't really point that comment at you Martin. There are others that also overreact.
And yes you overreacted in the past. That really endeared you to the membership here.
Annika just likes to stir things up and frankly her comments bear zero vailidty for me.
There I just did it now let us see where that goes.
Just so our American brethren don't feel lost I want to explain the phrase 'I'm alright jack'.
It is the name of a 1959 British movie that starred a bunch of famous British comedians including Peter Sellers.
The thrust of the movie was to point out the selfishness of British post war society.
Everybody is out for themselves and screw their neighbors especially when they can use class differences to their advantage.
From 1962 to 1984, when I left, I would say it pretty much beautifully summed up British culture.
So the next time any of you want to convey the idea that you couldn't care less about the situation of another only your own. Fire away just say "I'm Alright Jack", common parlance in the UK :))
Wow Marty ,
You want mutual respect and if you don`t get it you make threats to everyone who doesn`t agree with you ? I and we remember what you did to Nor and his cyber world . Marty , you have some real issues you better deal with. Who ever told you that you always speak the truth as you love to say to us ? You tell yourself that .
What kills me about you is the big double standard that you write here for all of us to read. You say what a gentlemen you are plus your wife and her family has such a high opinion of you.But when i state my claim as being i want to be the more dominant figure in the relationship,You flame it as so substandard that you compare it to the men of Turkey who like to give it to their women up the ass to save money on contraceptives . Marty why don`t you make a copy of what you just wrote on that post about Turkish men and present it to your Ukrainian wife and family. I would like to know if their opinion changes about you being a gentlemen........
Also you claim you have nothing against Americans , blacks and any other ethnic people or countries but you just slurred all men of the Turkish race saying they all make their women take it up the ass to save money on contraceptives . Marty , what if we have Turkish men here on Fiance.com? What is your reason now ? Well Marty i forgot , you always speak the truth .
If I could get back to the subject line for the moment.
I have made it very clear to the woman which I am talking too, that it will be difficult to send her back home on a whim, that said, we have both agreed that in case of an emergency, a fund will be created. I believe that this is only fair. We must realize, if a women decides to leave her "home" country and leave her family behind, we must make arragements to be sure that she can return every now and then.
It is no different if I should find a woman in Texas but wish for her to move to Missouri. Yes, it is more expensive, but family is family. As much as I hate to admit it, I do like to go home and visit my family every once in a while too.
This is a MEN'S forum. for petes sake. We have a common GOAL and we face common barriers. We are HERE to lend each other support - information and yes. occasionally backslapping!
Its not bullying that Marty objects to... he seems to do that singlehandedly to every member who expresses an opinion different than his, he objects to CONSENSUS (not the "old boy's network") if the view opposes his.
He is most certainly NOT of American culture - because the moment it appears that more than one person says something he doesn't like HE RUNS TO THE MODERATOR and makes threats - which to his (dis)credit he has proven he will annoyingly carry out. The fact that he CAN hijack the forum seems to make him think it is right to do so.
ANY of us could do likewise. Its not for lack of skill or tenacity that we don't. But we HAVE established firendships here, many of us have met in person (I've had the good fortune to meet THREE forum members over the years) and frankly we CARE what others think of us. We don't just sit behind an anonymous keyboard and carry out campaigns of vindictiveness.
What do you call someone who tries to get his way by making threats to others. That person is by every definition a BULLY. No more no less.
Izi,
I have repeatedly said 'let us agree to differ', I'm fed up with disagreeing with you, neither of us are about to change our opinion(s). why do you continue with this arguing?
Jet,
Perhaps, just perhaps, Annika's opinion of American men was picked-up from reading the writings here, think about it.
Anyway, the problem here is nothing to do with Izi, it's the fact that Jetmba is citing previous postings to decide who is right, who is wrong, in this ongoing discussion. Izi and I are both right, indeed we may be both wrong, but previous postings have got fock all to with a topic of a few days past and indeed Annika will also be deemed wrong but based on the previous postings of Martin_UK, yes a true constructive refute of an individual's opinion that is.
This is a clear case of the majority ganging-up on the minority and none of you, it seems, have got the balls to stand up and disagree with one of you own gang, this really is kids stuff.
Really Martin, I'll fire on anyone that post's a nonsensical diatribe, it doesn't matter. You act like we all just gang up on Poor Marty. If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. You act like you're the only person in this forum ever to get flamed.As per kids stuff, I think posting someones screen name on a gay site is about immature as it gets. So don't get desrcipt on someone having balls. Who ever did that to other members of the forum, you could put their balls on the edge of a razor blade and they would look like BB's bouncing down a four lane highway.
I've had disputes with JMO, IZI, and many others but "Real Men" exchange their disagreements and move on. Doesn't mean I don't like them, we just have philosophical disagreements between us. But the less immature seem to state that we are wankers and have no concept of reality. I've seen reality on the nasty end of an AK47, so when the Aryan Princess, who nothing more likes to stir shit up here makes a comment about reality, I wonder what her drug of choice is that day.
Wasn't you Martin who also said I shouldn't make comments about Nazi's? You didn't have a problem degrading men of Turkish descent, or don't they matter?
Yes, don't make any comment of the pale skinned europeans, that just isn't proper, but go ahead defile the Turks. You live in a glass house son, so put down the stones.
I haven't read through every post on this degenerating thread, so please forgive me if I am wrong. Before you posted about your personal life on this thread, I did not realize that you have an established and happy marriage (perhaps I missed it in other threads). This has led me to be curious about you.
I'm just wondering what you get out of participating in this forum. Most of us are here to ask questions about the process of corresponding with women, traveling to their countries, meeting them, getting visas, etc... It is a place where we can (for the most part) support each other and learn from each other's mistakes.
However, since you have a successful marriage, it would seem that you don't need any of this. It also seems that you don't feel that you could learn anything of value from people here. If the regular posters here are not to your liking (kids stuff, ganging up, backslapping, not hearing your opinion, etc...), then why do you stay? I'm not trying to antagonize you; it's an honest question. What do you get out of being here? Why would you rather hijack the entire forum than just wash your hands of it and leave?
I'm not saying you shouldn't be here, I'm just curious as to why you are here.
Nasfan,
Had you said Germans rather than Nazi's then that would have been totally different and why should I regard the Turks differently to the Germans, we haven't had 2 wars with Turkey and indeed Turkey are joining the European Union.
I will not succumb to bullying of any description and then you guys, some of you, go back slapping each other 'well buddy, we saw him off, where's the next sucker'?
As mindwire points out, this thread has gone horribly wrong but please read back and see where it went wrong. Izi had a question regarding return visits to FSU and, as far as I'm concerned, that topic finished with my saying good luck to you Izi.
Now it has turned into a transatlantic slanging match and by a nation that is far too touchy for it's own good. Guys, the topic of the conversation down the pub of an evening is not 'America this, America that', we couldn't give a shit what you get up to and likewise you don't care about us but America does have this thing whereas they expect that we talk bout them, get over it, we don't!
VNV,
Perhaps, just perhaps, this forum should be encouraging FSU ladies and western guys with 7 years FSU experience to divulge their FSU experiences. I'm not suggesting nor have I portrayed that I now everything nor do I try to force my opinions down others throats, this is reiterated by my proposal to 'agree to differ' with Izi'. But, if you want the honest truth, this is just another site that has been hi-jacked by, in the main, Americans and the Americans are the guys forcing their opinions down others throats. I can take that but I will not take bullying!
Fine Martin. A good solution. I have abundantly proven my point all I ask is nomore sideways cracks to Annika or anybody else or I will just continue.
No more "he'll learn" sorry if I am misinterpreting it but thta is how it is coming across. If I do you wrong I apologise. But I don't think I do.
I leave you to the tender mercies of the rest of "the gang".
I will contimue to call a spade a spade and stand my ground. Hopefully this really is the last word between you and I on this subject but I doubt it.
Izi,
I'm happy that this is our last word on this particular subject, we've flogged it to death, you're not going to change your stance and neither am I, as I have repeatedly said, let us agree to disagree.
You've read something into something that wasn't there, I was letting Annika know that I agreed with her point of view and indeed disagreed with your point of view. I'd told you that myself so there was no 'sideways' about it, as I've said, I will shout it from the rooftops if necessary.
I respect calling a spade a spade, I do it myself and that's why I will never accept this 'boys club' crap from other(s) around here. As I said previously, I wish you good luck Izi and when I said ' I'm alright Jack' it was a personal statement about my personal relationship, something that I am allowed to be selfish about.
Zekemo
Well said! It is a case of are you in or are you out because if you are in you really better be in. I just want to be absolutely sure with the lady I am with at the moment that she has the fortitude to see this through otherwise goodbye.
Marty,
What is the matter ? This is not like you . I just laid out in front of you your own statemements and contradictions that you made on this forum about you slandering the Turkish race and of your beleifs that you are a true gentlemen in front of your Ukrainian wife and her families eyes? And you have nothing to say ? Come on Marty , let`s hear it.....