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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Police corruption in Ukraine Author Post danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 3:23:04 AM   As a regular in Ukraine and with a Ukrainian family-in-law I am fully aware of the corruption that goes on but I experienced it first hand yesterday morning. Despite my protests not to buy me weapon look-a-likes my brother-in-law bought be another cigarette lighter pistol. I am fully aware of international aviation regulations, since 9/11, regarding the same and whilst I am not allowed to carry it in my hand baggage it is fully allowable for carriage if it is inside my checked-in suitcase(s) whereas it will travel in the aircraft hold and away from a potentially dangerous pair of hands. At Dnepropetrovsk airport yesterday morning I went through a similar, but more blatant, experience as I went through at the same airport when carrying a similar item last year. We went through a 10 minute ritual of policemen scratching heads whilst one is taken to a side office and away from the prying eyes of CCTV cameras in place to prevent corruption. They told me I was not allowed to carry it, I told them that they were wrong, I knew my aviation regulations and bearing in mind that other passengers were now boarding my flight I told them that that they could keep the lighter, I was gong to check-in and I walked away from them. Having checked-in they called me back to the office, told me that I had committed a Ukrainian offence and they wrote on a piece of paper 'USD20'. I just gave them one of those looks and asked them to clarify that the charge for attempting to hi-jack an aircraft in Ukraine is an on-the-spot USD20 fine, I then walked out again and went to board the bus to the aircraft. I am, with hindsight, sure that they were concerned that I as going to report them and as I boarded the bus they gave me my lighter without further mention of USD20. The moral of this story is to stand up to them, the Ukrainian president is anxious that Ukraine become more internationally acceptable hence the relaxation of visa requirements. I am also aware that cameras have been installed at airports to curtail such corruption so these bastards know that they are under suspicion by their government, I haven't had any such problem at Borispol but at Dnepropetrovsk, yes twice. And if anyone should ever think of hiring/driving a car across Ukraine then forget it, the roadside police are everywhere, they know the licence plates of hire cars and it would be regular on the spot fines/bribes. gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 7:25:50 AM   Martin: I can just see all the terrorists,now adding $20 bills to their kit in future!!......:)) I had a similar experience last year at Kharkov,but with a old soviet style hip flask!!!!,and like you never any trouble at Borispol,methinks the long arm of the Fedral government does not stretch as far south as it need to. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 2:48:18 PM   Martin_UK, well my dad goes to Kharkov by car almost every week, and he told me that the road police is presented only on entry and exit of the cities, and he has a very big experience with discovering even those road policemen who are hiding away in the bushes:) danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 3:47:55 PM   Pitchka, Well, just as an example, between Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye, all of a 45 minute fast drive, there will average 4 police 'traps'. Only 1 city exit and 1 city entry but 4 traps, an average on this particular stretch of road of 1 trap every 11.25 minutes. In July, Dnepr airport police tried to confiscate a can of deodrorant stating that it is inflamable, I had 2 aerosols and they say only 1 is allowed. Absolute bullshit however one aerosol was practically empty but before handing it to them I made sure that I emptied it ..... well it was a hot day! I guess to conceal a can of deodorant is a Ukrainian offence also! wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 3:58:32 PM   Martin, You probalbly know more about this than I, but in the US lighters are no longer allowed on your person or in carry-on. This has been a recent regulation as on my last trip to Ukraine at the end of Sept. the TSA had a basket full of Bics and Zippos. I am not sure if this is only a Us regulation or if it is International. Bill wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 3:59:36 PM   probalbly = probably :))) danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 4:06:12 PM   Wmferg, A bulk of lighters or matches has always been frowned upon, well since I started in the industry in 1979 anyway! I do not doubt your word but I doubt that every passenger that travels in or out of US travels minus a lighter particularly as smoking is still permitted on some international carriers. I'm thinking of starting a thing about the police at Dnepropetrovsk airport, it is a delighful little airport but these assholes sour the taste somewhat! wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 4:24:17 PM   Martin, It is a TSA regulation, a fellow at the screening area was pitching a fit as the zippo he had was expensive and had sentamental value and he was not going to give it up. The screener said he had a choice give it up or don't fly. At that time a suprevisor arrived to find out what the ruckus was and explained the new reg and arranged to have the lighter delevered back to the passengers home address. You can however have matches...go figure. Bill wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 4:39:44 PM   It is good info about Dnepropetrovsk. I have been in and out of Kyiv and Lviv and have not even had my bags opened. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 5:13:44 PM   Wnferg, Dnepr airport, for a smoker, is great. For a domestic flight you can sit at the bar smoking until literally 10-15 minutes before departure and in the international departure lounge there is a small bar, that accepts credit cards, where one may smoke also. You wait no time at all for your baggage and when I travelled internationally, just the one time, into Dnepr there were 25ish passengers on the Austrian Airlines CRJ and 5 immigration officers on duty, perhaps I was lucky but bloody marvellous. What is TSA? What about FAA regulations and please bear in mind that as soon as you are on board a foreign registered aircraft, whether it be French, German, Russian, whatever then you fall under the regulations of the country of aircraft registration despite where the aircraft may be at the time. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 5:14:30 PM   Martin_UK maybe, maybe, I don't know much about Dnepropetrovsk, it always seamed to be a strange city to me:) wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 5:27:17 PM   TSA = Transportation Saftey Agency. You have to get by these people to board the Aircraft. They have complete control over boarding passengers and Airport saftey. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 5:41:25 PM   Wmferg, I appreciate that the US suffered 9/11 and I wouldn't wish such an incident upon anybody however, outside of US, such regulations are as per the airline in question particular regulations. 99% of airlines adhere to post 9/11 international regulations but let's be sensible about this, what is a dangerous object, an inflamable aerosol of deodorant, a bic lighter, a disposable razor, a condom (to suffocate the pilot to death) indeed a can of beans (to throw at somebody)? Airport security personnel are frowned upon by pilots worldwide, whilst they perform a valuable task they can also be incredibly stupid. Would you believe that a pilot is subject to the same regulations as a passenger, does he really need a bic lighter to bring the aircraft down? Think about it! wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 5:52:08 PM   Believe me I know. In the US if you are wearing regular shoes and not tennis shoes you must remove them before going through the screening process. The only case that we have had with a shoe bomber was wearing tennis shoes. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/14/2005 10:47:03 PM   Airline security in the US is a joke. It is fraught with cumbersome rules and regulations and is nothing but a seemingly authoritative presence of Federal authority in order to give us a false sense of security. A truly determined or creative hijacker could EASILY get a deadly weapon past security guards. There are plastic (nylon) knives - as deadly as any of the conventional variety, but they will not trip a metal detector. There are many types of explosives that are not nitrogen or glycerin based, and will escape the detection of the "wipes" we commonly see. Airline security, like a common padlock, is designed to falsely reassure and inconvenience the honest people. Criminals will always find a way. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/15/2005 3:12:05 AM   Martin_UK, aerosol or deodorant is a good thing to blind somebody for a short period of time, policemen usually advice girls to have such things in their bags if they walk along dark streets late at night. Can of beans? Or Coffee? it is a very good thing to put drugs into it, dogs can't smell the drugs if they are hided away in coffee. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/15/2005 3:40:15 AM   Pitchka, Do you know what an on-board pair of handcuffs is, airline staff will use infant seat belts to perform this task, I've used them myself to restrain a passenger, thus the facilities to overpower and/or restrain are already on board the aircraft. Do you recall the effect of soap in your eyes? Aircraft have soap on board and various 'smellies' available in long-haul business class etc. At the end of the day common sense needs to be applied. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/15/2005 4:54:48 AM   Martin_UK, sorry I don't know anything about airplanes, and their rules on-board, because the last time I travelled by a plane was, when I was 5 years old, and at that age I wasn't interested in that:) And was interested in looking on the ground and playing games:) elman_thlr Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/16/2005 5:30:19 PM   Martin I drove from Norway to Odessa in August this year and were only stopped once by police outside Ternopil in the evening. They told me I was speeding, and I knew I were. I payed them 100 hrivnas without asking any questions and they shook my hand and were very friendly. If I had not been in a hurry I might have tried to argue with them to lower the price, but compared to the similar fees in Norway, the amount is just ridicoulous. Besides, it is better to get out of a situation cheap, then waste time trying to get out a little cheaper. In Ukraine I drove from Polish/Ukrainian border at Lvov to Odessa and I had no problems other than beeing stopped once. At the border both ways, I was treated very good and without any problems. Ukraine is, besides from some bad roads, a great place to go on vacation by car. Next summer I plan to spend 4 weeks on the roads in Ukraine, and with a GPS map there will be no problem finding the right way. I would reccomend going by car to anyone who wants to see more of Ukraine than just the big cities. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/16/2005 5:58:32 PM   Elman, Just out of curiosity, did you get a receipt for your UAH100, was it a fine or a bribe? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Police corruption in Ukraine
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