I posted on here a little while back(see thread about Sumy) about writing to Anna and now we've hadour first conversation this past Saturday I also sent her flowers, flowers and a card (as a surprise, which I think it definitely was to her). However, a question I have, the photos of her on GL are definitely to say a few years back. I had to look really hard to make sure the photos of the girl holding the flowers was the same girl I had seen pictures of online. Thankfully the FTU service sent two digital photos, the first one I had serious doubts about, the second I could finally see it was her because she had a slight smile (all the GL photos were smiling, skinnier and glamour shots style). I could see her cheekbones a bit better, her chin angle and her eyes then looked more the same (more almond than round from the cheekbones going up in the smile). Long story short I believe it is her, but the photos could be 4-5 years old and a few (10-15) pounds less. Has this happened to any one here? I am trying not to be worried about it, nothing in her letters (although some are very short they are still personable and answer my questions or make reference to what we discussed on the phone - is short letters normal too?) or phone conversation has really thrown up red flags. She hasn't asked for money and stated many times that is not what she is looking for. She mentioned wanting to take but unable to take English lessons with her work schedule and not wanting to be out after dark as she walks a distance. That was a plus, at least she didn't say oh, yes, I want to take them can you send me $XX dollars to do so my dear or something similar. I can believe that a single pretty girl would not want to be out 7-8pm walking home in the dark. I think maybe she is a little sheltered, small town of Sumy, living with mom & dad. Anna does look a bit older in the flower photos than her stated age 23, not that I worry about age as I was looking for 25-33 mostly, I just worry because honesty is a big thing to me, as in what could it portend. Do women age a little more quickly in the Ukraine? She is still very cute, just normal, no makeup and probably a little shocked to see a guy at the door with flowers and a camera, natch. Any advice, besides just keep talking and slowly getting to know her before I commit to a plane ticket and 2 weeks in the Ukraine next May.
I think you will find the glamour photo pretty much common on the Internet regardless of country. I think it is the nature of most people to put the very, very best photo as the primary photo on there profile, male or female. The age thing... could be the glamour shot took a few years off. Ask her...be nice about it, but ask. In my limited experience in Ukraine I have found the ladies very direct and if you are gentle about it you can ask most anything.
Dont worry it sounds quite normal, my Russian wife looked like an embryo in her pic on internet chatroom where we met :) In further photo,s she sent she had aged to schoolgirl, and when we first met I thought she looked like a teenager:) She is in her 40,s But seriously professional photography can turn the years back, get a freind to knock on your door and snap you on the hop some time :)
As a matter of interest Chuckles could we know your age I have been following with interest threads on age difference, I am 10 years older than my wife
After trading private e-mails with a Kiev lady for over a year now because her profile only featured a waist up glamour shot , she finally sent three full body shots with a regular camera. Well,now she obviously she cleans her plate off well and never misses desert.She is 27 and she surely sent in a photo to fiance of when she was 17 and petite. She is huge and does not even resemble her profile even in the face. Always request non-glamour photos before you make the trip .
I was looking at another site last nite that also has video's of the girls. It was amazing that the ladies who were very beautiful in photos were not nearly as attractive in their video, yet a few of the girls who I considered plain-looking in their photos were gorgeous when I saw their video. It would be nice if some of these agencies would update their photos regularly, and do more of the video interview thing....
UKGent, I am 35 and she is supposed to be 22. I would guess these were some glamour shots done at 18 or so. I know for one thing she's been on GL over a year, so that right there is another year since she posted. She is still a very pretty girl (and I'm sure cleaned up for a night on the town would be more like her glamour shots), and you're right if you showed up at my door on an off day you'd probably get me in some ratty shorts and a I love beer t-shirt or something. She had on nice jean and a very tight sweater, so it could be worse. Just her face was a bit more filled out, not as angular (the glamour shots were super skinny I think), and it was hard to make sure it was her. Actually I am kinda in a weird way happier about that, I thought she was too gorgeous for me in the photos how could she have interest with me. I had put a photo up of myself only like two years old, but since then I too have lost a bit more hair and shaved off my goatee, so I look a little different.
Olga, thank you. I had the feeling it was. I didn't know if maybe a lot of girls tended to get those type of photos at end of school or around end of school, like presents type of things because I see ALOT of girls photos from Sumy with the similar background and around the same ages. Maybe just a coincidence.
Jmoluv, just a question. So after you got the real photos do you still correspond with her?
No i do not, The real goods do not even remotely match the imigry that was displayed. A true misreprentation of herself. Just think if i flew over there without knowing and would be really pissed if i forgot my harpoon. When i told her she did not even look like her glamour photo in fiance in a nicest way possible, she never wrote back and i don`t care. I have dated and met enough Ukrainians and also thru this bullshit e-mail business to know it only takes the slightest wrong question to them to send them flying the other way. FSU women to my experiences are the most unforgiving women i have ever met. When they make up their minds the first time that will be the final answer.
Jmo, thanks for the info. I just wondered, I too agree, a huge misrepresentation of that magnitude (sic) is unforgivable. I was a bit freaked out the first shot I got too, but I don't think what I had to compare with was in the same as yours. I appreciate the insight.
Interesting thoughts on FSU women though, enough to give me pause, and to keep in mind with my questions. I guess if Anna decides my questions don't suit her and flys the other way I am the better off for it.
Chuckles, As my wife will surely read this in time ( and I dont want her to think I have ever considered her less than perfect :)) I am struggling to find a way of saying how I agree with your comment that the lady looked too gorgeous for you so you found comfort in seeing her let us say a little more "ordinary" for want of a better word.
The first pic my wife saw of me I shared with a rather good looking dog, the psychologist in me told me this would induce the AHHHHH factor in a woman and she would take less notice of the ageing male that looks more of the dog than the dog itself :) It seems to have worked :)
Anyhow I hope things progress well for you both
Chuckles,
My theory on Ukrainians and also Russians from my experiences through the e-mail are this and not as much in person is the reason they can come across as so unforgiving and unsympathetic and direct is the fact they are bombarded everyday with a large amount of mail (especially the pretty ones that have some english level)and it all goes to their head . So they can sit back and be a real snot about things. Especially in their (quick to the point analogies) and quick rejections with no time to reason why or listen to you or show any sympathy. I have never had a American girl who would never sit down and listen and give another chance for things to work out. This is the one quality of FSU women that has always agitated me. No patience for men. Everything seems to have to be right and perfect the first time around. These women can blow fuses real easy over what you think is not much of anything. I don`t buy the culture difference argument either. But they are always in a good mood when you show up with gifts and they know you are taking them to dinner............ Sound like the women we know at home ??
Wow Martin A Lion !! I have to hand it to you ,makes my dog seem so tame by comparison.
Mind you the old eyes are not what they were,, I did read about some Lion did I ? Or was it some lying? whatever, well done mate nice bit of banter to liven up the discussion :)
Ukgent,
In Tashkent zoo, I think it cost USD5 for a lion and a tiger at the same time! No focking way I said, I can cope with one, and if necessary try to fight with, but not two!
It certainly caught attention in the photo, questions like 'Is it real? etc.
chuckles,
you said that when you saw the photos of your girl au-natural you felt a little relieved. i'm no phycologist but i think this is normal for most of us. i'm 40 and i get plenty of 20 something year old elle look-a-likes pledging thier love. most are crap but i think there is the odd one in there that real (i hope). i'd like to think that they view the age and looks department differently to the run of the mill we have here in Van Demons Land.
Aussie, thanks, my age difference isn't quite that great, still large at 12 years (she 23, me 35) but we've been getting along great now for some time, 2 + months, 2+ emails a week, and now a usual weekly 1/2 phone call with interpreter. Starting to get very comfortable and I have seen a big change the past two weeks in tone and how we talk, seems much more relaxed. I am planning on visiting for 2 weeks in May although we both don't want to wait that long. Unforunately waiting for my passport renewal to return, plus work/school at night, means I have only certain time periods I could travel. So May it is.
Chuckles,
i wish you the best on your trip, i'm planning my first in March and to be quit honest it fucken terrifies me. I've arranged to meet with three or four ladies at different times and i'm hoping that one of them will click. I'm a softy for pretty weman and the thought that it'l go pear shaped is not pleasent, but i gotta go, the chance of something good coming out of it is to good to miss. I don't know what the hell i'll do if more than one wants to be my sweetheart, are we allowed to mary four of them? I suppose one is enough on any given day. I must admit that some of the girls don't seem very keen to write a lot, the letters are short and lacking detail, i'm still not sure if this is due to thier lack of knowlage of the english language (mines not flash either) or something worse. I agree with jmoluv that these girls must get a lot of letters on a constant basis but some come across much warmer that others and are easier to talk to. Time will tell, i just hope that i don't go insane or blind in the mean time.
chuckles, i have the same problem with my lady sending short letters and i've even asked her to write longer ones but they haven't got much longer yet.does anyone know if this is normal. also when i call my lady she has a cell phone that i call and sometimes i can hear her and sometimes i can't.does anyone know how the cell phone service is in simferopol ukraine.
I personally have found that international phone calls to Ukraine pretty much sucks. I have not had much luck calling Lena’s mobile or home phone. Fortunately for us she has her own computer at home and a broadband connection so every Sunday morning we video conference. As far as letter writing…it is difficult I think for anyone to give any real useful advice without knowing her or you and your personalities . I can only give you some personal anecdotal info. Neither Lena nor myself write long letters, we just do not do well with a one sided conversation (which is what letter witting is after all). However we video conference for around four hours every Sunday. When we are able to answer questions real time and the conversation takes the normal twists and turns we find we have much to speak about…I am only good for about one page in a letter. This has been the case for the year that we have been in contact with each other. Just so you know, I have been to visit her and we have submitted paperwork for her K-1 visa.
Bill
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