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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Suspicious mind Author Post jeffers Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/26/2005 2:38:52 AM   Hi guys. Am new at this (how often have you heard that one?) so would appreciate any feedback on this one. The first letter arrived unsolicited via Globaladies, the second on Christmas Day after my non-commital reply. The first begins with 'greetings from Ukraine' when in fact she is living in Moldova according to the profile, but I was prepared to give benefit of doubt and assume she was home with family for Christmas. The second does sound a bit effusive so early in an exchange. Would a Russian with minimal English really says 'thanks a lot'? Is that fairly standard format for Globaladies? Does it strike a chord with anyone else? Regards to all fellow dreamers, Jeffers 'Greetings from Ukraine. How are you? Are you surprised? I was surprised myself to learn about such internet match making service. I've never been so courageous to write to any man. But, I think that I have to do it now. I saw your Globaladies listing, and I must say that, truthfully, I don't know the real reason I write you. Perhaps it is my sixth sense? By the way, do you believe in extrasensory perceptions? As for me, I have never believed it before, but now, I am trying to follow this sense. Hope that it is true. (Anyway, I'd like it to be true):-) Generally, I am realist by nature and I don't see the world through the "pink glasses" and I understand quite well what is good and what is bad in this or that situation. I have an active lifestyle; I was born on the 21st of May (Taurus-Gemini according to the horoscope) in the city Lvov, Ukraine. I am feminine, slim and I look and feel myself younger than I am. My son is living and working in Moscow, he is well educated and independent. I have obtained the Technical University Degree in Odessa where I have graduated the Holodov's State Academy and the humanitarian degree I obtained in the Psychology Institute from Kiev. I have been working as consultant of "Faberlic" oxygen program of corporation "Russian Line" and in the informational center Gamma-7 with protection devices from the harmful radiation from different sources (mobile phones, computers, etc). I like my work; it is connected to continuum communication, either to clients or to co-workers. This kind of work gives the opportunity to develop the professional and intellectual level, I like improving myself - to go and to grow - and never stop on the achieved purpose. However, I'd like to change my life and to find that man whom I will love. Tell me about yourself more, open me your heart. Let's try to start a friendship that will be continued. You are welcome to comment. Warm regards and all the best until then, Galina. Hello, dear Jeff! You are so wonderful, so romantic, so English!!! I love it! Thanks a lot for your letter! I am at a loss what to say at the moment!! I think I'm in love with the way you wrote to me, thank you, Jeff a lot. By the way you are a very good looking attractive and I suppose brave man as you've climbed so high (I mean your picture)! That's so amazing that you got to know me so early in the morning!! By the way, Jeff, thanks for your compliments, it was very nice of you! I think that through letters by means of corresponding, we will be able to know each other much better and who knows, perhaps one day we will have a wish to meet each other and to change our lives? I would like to meet a man who'd become a careful husband, best friend and a beloved person. I want to be a happy woman! I can and I want to love, to share my life with a deserved person. I would like to create a cozy home and to awake my husband with the morning kiss and kind words and to fall asleep feeling his love. The most important things are to respect, value, and love and understand a person without all these family life is impossible. It is very pleasant to me, that our points of view on the personal relationship coincide. I am also a "free spirit", rather balanced, reasonable, although I am emotional and temperament. Whenever I do, I do it with all my best. I am the nature that can easily become keen with new ideas, deeds. I am longing for the close loving relationships full of care and deep love. I find it wonderful when in relationships there is much love. Frankly speaking-there can't be too much love :-))). Agree? Before, my hobby was knitting, sewing but now, my hobby is my work, as I just have no time for knitting and other things. There is not boundary for the interest and perfection: to learn how to work with the computer, to learn how to make a wonderful video, to travel, to love and to be loved. And everything only with the beloved and special man I think. I want to experience something new and get more from life!!! Well, Jeff I wish you a merry Christmas and thanks a lot for your letter! Sincerely yours, Galina Ps: I'll be waiting for your reply!! danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/26/2005 4:38:17 AM   Jeffers, These are standard 'bullshitty' letters, read into the letter and decide if she is actually writing to you or are these letters from the stockpile she may have stored on her computer, floppy, whatever. To take some quotes from, in particular, her 2nd letter, we all have/had, pre-written 1st letters so that is not a danger signal: (You are so wonderful, so romantic, so English!!!) Did you write anything so extraordinary, romantic, did you say you are English, are you English? (I think I'm in love with the way you wrote to me) Absolute bullshit, a definate warning sign! Thereafter the letter becomes 'dribble', a couple of ways to detect 'canned' letters are the line feeds in the email, if this letter was previously written to, let us say, a guy named Humphrey then she will have replaced Humphrey (8 letters) by Jeff (4 letters) and some line feeds may fall out of place. Also try copy & pasting her email to Microsoft Word, that highlights things that you wouldn't necessarily observe in an email. And also keep an eye on the full headers of her emails (originating IP address), does she write from one or more computers and does this tally with her explanation that she has her own PC, she writes from an internet cafe, work or whatever. Martin vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/27/2005 8:07:47 AM   gentlemen... I think you all shoud know by now that these letters (especially letters not solicited yourself) are bullpucky. I still get tons of these kinds of letters and i answer them just to see how these scammers give themselves away. Example... I have been writing 2 gals. both say they have no phone but they both sent me pictures with cell phones in hand!! LOL These scammers are sloppy. Keep your guard up. The only way to meet a sincere gal is to take a tour and go meet these gals in person. Even still they are not sincere. It is my personal opinion that only a very very small percentage of these girls are for real. We have no way of knowing who is real and who is not, which is a real shame for the few real girls (and real guys) who look overseas for love. For those who have found their true love, you have my congratulations, you have found a needle in the haystack. As for myself.... Peru here i come !! nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/27/2005 7:28:04 PM   Viva, finding true love is a needle in the haystack where ever you may be. What was the last tour you took? I'm just curious, because I am one of the people who don't endorse tours. Some swear by them, but I'm curious of another opinion here. I have heard Jet's and JMO's opinion on this subject. Why Peru? It's just as expensive to fly to Peru as it is to Ukraine. Or is this another untapped source of women? Later Mike vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/28/2005 6:20:40 PM   Mike, There is a bit of truth to what you say about the needle in the haystack, just as there is a bit of truth to all the statements made by the ppl on this forum. Even the hawkish statements made by the likes of van. his ilk have a bit of truth to it. There is no such thing as the perfect way to find love. Everyone has a different experience. I can agree with noone here 100% about the correct way to go about finding love so i must opt to experience things for myself. I took the tour to the ukraine with ukrainetx.com, they seemed to be a bit different from all the other tour companies in what they had to say and the approach they took to all this. I bought their line hook line and sinker but in the long run, i was a bit dissatisfied with how they did things. I found their tour to be rather boring. Most of the guys who went, spent most of their day getting drunk in the john howard pub. while at night they went to the nightclub with the owners and interteters where trouble abounded. I really did not think they lived up to their commitments they promised in the tour. Alot of the guys only had 1 date per day. I pushed them them pretty hard to get me to meet more girls but i found that the other guys swarming around my dates because they didnt have any. It was rather like a reverse social. eight guys fighting over a small number of girls. I also used their email translation/forwarding service and i was really dissatisfied with that service. I feel i lost contact with the best girl i met over there because of their lackluster way of doing things. Plus there was one thing i noticed about Ukraine girls, most of them felt they did not want to work once they got to america. I am just a man of average income here in he states. Those of you who live here know that one average income in america does not cut it here. I cannot be the only income and still provide a house and support a wife and babies. As for Peru, when i compare the profiles of peru and FSU girls, the contrast is really different. FSU girls write that they want babies babies and more babies.... nothing else. Peru girls rarly mention babies but do express a desire to work. Plus it is a new territory for AFA. A new and untapped source of women. Alot of FSU girls are jaded and suspicious because so many guys have used the FSU for sexcapades. I do not think this wil be the case in peru... at least i hope not. I go to peru for the experience. to experience socials where i think i will thrive due to my happy outgoing nature. perhaps i will return to FSU one day (the beauty of FSU girls are hypnotizing) but on the other hand, i see great beauty to be a minus when looking for a wife. I live in vegas where a beautiful girl will be exploited in every which way. This town wrecked my last marrige. The call of the endless line of super rich guys tempted my ex away from me. It did not matter how good i treated her, the tempation of money drew her away from me. Looks are only skin deep !! I seek a beautiful heart and this is the hardest thing to see indeed. In my search for love i will experience all different methods of finding that perfect girl. I will not limit myself to one method or even one country. I will try all things and if all else fails, perhaps i will return to Asia where i could find a good wife in literally minutes. The only thing bad about Asian gals is that they are controlled by their families and although they are perfect wives in all ways. Their husbands do take a back seat to their marriges. Comments gentlemen ....?....? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2005 1:41:11 AM   Viva Maybe a solo journey to Ukraine would be better for you. Good Luck in Peru, I've spent time in Forteleza Brazil and the women are beautiful there also. I don't know if all Ukrainian women just want to sit at home and have babies, but I can only make a statement of one that I know of. Though I have asked that she take time when she comes here to relax and be comfortable with the new culture and lifestyle without the pressures of being thrown in the working world. Most of these girls understand financial hardships, they have lived it much longer than most of us have here in the states. Larissa wants to work, though at 44 she is not looking to have children and that may have a bit to do with it also. Though I have fears of her becoming bored here. I have bought her a car so she can get around, she wants to enroll in a english language course which we have found a couple at a community college and another college close by. She speaks english very well but she says she wants to become fluent. So this will occupy some of her time. Average income, well my day job is just over the average income level, but my debt service is very low. I have made modifications in my lifestyle to accomodate her being here without putting pressure on financial resources. I have a small vending business that produces a reasonable second income along with a couple of friends and I have started a computer business. Both are in their infancy, the vending is doing better than the computer business. I will be interested in hearing about your trip to Peru. It just might be another area that will stimulate some interest, at least provide competition to the FSU dating industry and may force it to clean it up a bit. Later Mike QuietCharm Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2005 10:36:58 PM   Viva Have to agree with viva's comments about Asian ladies. I'm living in Thailand and see many happy arrangements.. The 'I will love you and it will only cost you $200 per month' kind. Love for rent. Seeing an odious 50-70 year old man with a perfectly content 18-25 year old certainly turns all previous notions upside down. Yet, it is common here. The Thais reject the darker skinned females while the Westerners adore them. Yes, they may be unsophisticated village girls but give me a girl with a good heart, intelligence, who is prepared to work hard and is happy being a homemaker, over our driven, material modern miss, any day. I enjoyed my time in Russia. The FSU ladies are captivating and there are now direct flights from Bangkok to Moscow and Vladivostok. So what's stopping me? I think the FSU/Western marriage survivability index. The odds seem more against success than for. I would also back the Thai ladies loyalty over Russian females. The Russians seem to be just that bit more calculating and not shy of divorce whereas Asians tend to marry for life. I would have more confidence if I could spend more time in Russia finding the right partner. And even more of holding on to a beautiful Russian, if I also lived in the country. There is a contradiction at work in this forum. It does make the idea of a foreign bride more accessible, while sowing some large seeds of doubt. Mainly planted by 'expert' members, who's advice I generally find suspect and who's very public failures were painful and, I have to say, predictable. My own real world experience of Russia was mostly positive, yet I find my thinking clouded by negativity. The Russian psyche is dark, the people calculating and the use of agencies filled with risk. The venture is expensive, with poor odds of a happy outcome. Lol... Like Gimli in 'Lord of the Rings'.. 'Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for!!';-)) jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2006 1:27:45 AM   You make interesting points QC. And, reluctantly, I agree with you. I enjoy the company of my Moldovan - especially in Moldova - but its difficult to imagine a future together at this point with her. I have had more GREAT memorable times with her in the past two years that I had had in the previous TEN with anyone else, hands down. But something is certainly missing. And we will have to discuss that on this trip... Never had any great interest in Thai women - but that could be because I don't actually know any.... There is also South America that can be "explored". Might check that out sometime. Who knows? vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2006 11:06:47 AM   Gentlemen, I have been sniffing around the Kherson agencies and checking out their reputations and opinions they have of each other. Although i may have failed in finding love in Kherson, i have set up a great spying network which is now shooting horror stories to me about their competition. The biggest causualty of this turdstorm seems to be the sincere girls that these agencies have. They all have some sincere girls it seems, but these gals are kept away from the clients to encourage failures and repeat business!! The whole Russian bride agency thing really has me disillutioned about Russian agencies. This leaves me in a quardry !! Shoud i keep sending out letters and making trips to meet these girls, completly avoiding the agencies or shoud i go to agencies a weed out the scammers they send my way. Looks like a double edged sword, damned if ya do, damned if ya don't..... but anyway, i am having great fun playing this agency vs. agency game as well as the "tease the scammers" game. If i keep kicking the horents nest, maybe a really good and sincere girl will fall out!! I have been in the MOB scene for over 12 years now. Perhaps i shoud start my own agency!! I shall call it the "playing with fire agency" LOL I do plan to rekindle my relationship with a couple of gals the agencies shooed me away from. There could be some success up this road. Plus i have my Peru trip coming up. Let no road go untraveled in you searches for love gentlemen. This whole overseas dating thing is a giant maze with true love being the at the other end. Those of you who have been successful know this, and those of you who have not been unsuccessful have just made a wrong turn in the maze of love. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2006 4:27:06 PM   I am married about two and a half years, found the right one fairly quickly and without major complications. I was scammed few times out of several hundred dollars in one way or another, but no major scars. I did spent all of my spare time the first couple of months getting into it as if I suddenly found myself in a candy store with unlimited supply of premium candy. I won't forget the time that I spent an entire weekend browsing galleries and jotting down information leaving only 4-5 hours for sleep. Publicized failures in this forum were indeed highly predictable, and we can predict a few more I think. However, some others with the right frame of mind in terms of their approach and expectations, also report negative experiences dating in Fsu. I'm just wondering why’s that. Was I and a few others merely lucky or there is another more "scientific" explanation to it. We are now in the process of removing the conditions on her permanent residence. It's a process that is a lot more straightforward than bringing her to the states or even getting her a green card. Still though it's been a document gathering exercise, but it's the last step in the immigration process, and the next step after this one is naturalization whenever she's eligible and decides to pursue that route. It has been a pretty smooth ride in our marriage and we love each other as we did in the very beginning when she arrived here. In addition, we're finding that after being together for a while love is also followed by a strong bond, understanding of each other, and a feeling that the one can simply not be without the other. It’s just comes to the point that whatever happens in life there is one given, and that is the two of us together. Since I lack multiyear experiences dating Fsu women, I might have been inclined to think that my case is the rule not the exception. Maybe my case is the exception that confirms the rule. Who knows better than a suspicious mind .. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2006 6:22:11 PM   We ALL have multiple attempts to establish relationships that do not work. To call them "failures" is to be unneccessarily harsh on ourselves. I'm reminded of what Thomas Edison when faced with a lack of success. If an experiment did not work, Edison did not see it as a failure. Instead, he saw it as a learning experience -- he learned one way it did not work. A colleague once told Edison that several thousand experiments had been failures. Edison said, "Failures? Not at all. We've learned several thousand things that won't work." Well lets all hope that we don't have to endure thousands of unsuccessful attempts. But a few? Not a problem. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2006 6:22:58 PM   I think Common Sense and luck has a lot to do with it. Being honest up front, saying what you mean and doing what you say you will. Also what women call intuition, we call a gut feeling. No one way is perfect, no method better than another. I'm still a little nervous and a little unsure, not about my relationship, but about her ability to adapt to a different culture and lifestyle. For me it is still a minefield that one step still could blow the whole thing up. Later Mike wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2006 8:34:39 PM   Failure might not be the right word as long as one has the right intentions. It can also be enjoyable if one has the funds to repeat this sort of adventure a few times. I still have a Harley Davidson's collector's poster that was given to me by HD when I was in b-school several years ago, it states on the front page the motto: "it's not the destination, it's the journey" (my wife thinks we should keep and sell on eBay in twenty years:) I think it's both the destination and the journey that matter, you've got to enjoy the journey either a short one or a longer one, the destination is your reward. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2006 8:43:43 PM   Nas, she will become acquainted with other Rus/Ukr women in her area, they all do, and she may even make some strong friendships. My wife did and other women do the same. Russians tend to gravitate to their nationality more than any other nationality. In fact, they talk to each other on Russian web forums that are specifically designed for women who live in the U.S. Many women post to find other Russian women who live closeby. In fact, all the people my wife already knows, she met them through this venue, then once she met a few women, these women knew other women, and that way mywife developed a web of friends. This is the most important element that can make adaptation easier and next is going back home to see her parents once a year. I think if she loves you and she feels loved, and she also becomes part of a group in which she is comfortable culturally, the rest is easy. As time goes by, and she is assimilated in American culture through education, work, etc. she will be able to develop acquaintenances with local friends as well. RK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/4/2006 6:00:13 PM   Hi...I have exchanged a few letters with this lady, and here is a paragraph from one today...any suspicions? Darling, there is one thing, I don't want to lie to you. I prefer honesty in relations I don't speak English, just Russian. I don't have PC at home. Our country is pure. Most of us don't speak any other languages and more rear have PC! Average salary is 120$ but PC cost a lot, language courses about the same, you don't have to worry about it! I think it is not a problem to communicate by letters though this agency. I want to find my soul mate! I have one friend who married several months ago with German man. They found each other with the help of the translational firm. We correspond with her, and she tells me that she is very happy with his husband. So, I decided to try my fate and appealed to the same translational office for aid. Maybe I have already found him :-)I hope you won't be confused to keep our correspondence and express your feelings. Please, won't, and feel free to ask me about anything you are interested in. If you want to call you vcan do it to translational office on danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/4/2006 6:03:40 PM   RK, You've already worked it out, you don't need me or others to give you the bad news, move on mate, this is just the start! Martin RK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/4/2006 6:05:52 PM   Thanks Martin! I guess I am starting to figure some of this out! danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/4/2006 6:12:21 PM   A favourite scam trick, oh I have a friend etc. RK, go to www.womenrussia.com/blacklist.htm#last and read thru the scam letters, if it is something you haven't done before then it will be a real eye opener for you and, in the long run, will save you a lot of money and heartache. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/5/2006 6:17:22 AM   My favorite is, I have a friend at a travel agency that has a friend in the Visa Bureau that can arrange a visa for me and plane tickets for 1000USD, I need your help dear as I have only 300USD. My town is not very romantic and I would love to come and visit you in your country. Could you please my love forward the 700USD for our meeting? Later Mike skiired Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/5/2006 6:41:01 AM   yeah that is a pretty good one Nas. What cracks me up is when they get upset and hurt when you kindly tell them to go to hell. Boris or whoever is at the other end should win an academy award Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Suspicious mind
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