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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum >  Affiliate Agencies of fiance.com: Moldova and Saint Petersburg Author Post buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2006 6:22:41 PM   Greetings to Forum Members, While generally satisfied as a customer of fiance.com as a whole, it has become apparent that there are a few bad apples among the affiliate agencies. Specifically, affiliates in the Moldova and Saint Petersburg area promote fraudulent correspondence. Women rom these two areas consistently profess a love of correspondence and refuse to give out phone numbers or email addresses. This fraud could involve two scenarios: 1.) The agencies are writing the correspondence without the women's knowledge. 2.) The women are being paid or coerced into either corresponding or more likely, to simply say they wrote the letters if called to task on the issue by fiance.com management. TO BE CLEAR: I am NOT saying the women are fake, it's the letters which are fraudulent. I brought my concerns to fiance.com management previously and my complaint was misinterpreted (deliberately?) to mean that I was questioning whether a woman was "real." I will further detail this incident later. I should state that I'm VERY EXPERIENCED with FSU travel, dating, marrying, and most relevant: FSU introduction agencies. There is one important question which must be addressed to better assess the motivations of affiliate agencies and the temptations which could lead them astray: QUESTION: What is the exact commission fee an affiliate receives for listing a profile and processing correspondence? Under other programs where members pay for correspondence on a cost-per-letter basis the compensation angle is easy to understand. However, members of fiance.com pay a flat rate fee for unlimited monthly correspondence with other members so it's difficult to determine exactly how an affiliate is compensated. Once we understand the mechanics of the compensation program we will be able to better assess the situation. In subsequent posts I will detail each incident and include relevant quotations from letters (without revealing the ladies identity). Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2006 9:06:05 PM   you must report on all suspicious agency to admin@fiance.com so we could investigate, and close those agencies. we do not care much about agencies. they must provide good commmunication services for their ladies, and our members. if they do not they will not be on fiance.com system. also we have all information on agency owners and if they do something worng knwo where to find them. they are not compensated to list ladies. if you do not like agencies, communicate with ladies who have their private email. tehy must deliver all messages to ladies, and they must read them and reply themsleves. so before starting talking about fiance.com on the forum let customer suport know about your case. we are here for you, not for the agencies. buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2006 9:21:13 PM   hile I was in Sevastopol last August I wrote to a woman from Chisinau Moldova, listed as a "Miss Wow" girl on fiance.com I introduced myself and explained that if we were to decide to meet it would be possible. My letter was sent August 14th. I included my direct email address along with my Ukraine Mobile phone number along with my translators in Sevastopol. It should also be noted that I state up-front in my profile that my intentions are to exchange contact information, not to arrange meetings or engage in un-ending correspondence. I received an immediate response the next day. It was the usual generic introduction letter without any references to my letter or more importantly, an acknowledgement that I actually had the ability to meet with her soon. An instant response with no references to the content of your introductory letter is a dead-give-away of a reflex response letter sent by the agency. However, by itself, it's not an inexcusable action. To keep it simple, the dates of the letters listed with a summary of the letters content along with only relevant excerpts: 8/15- My Second Letter I wrote a nice letter to her, asking questions and telling more about myself I concluded the letter with this paragraph: ">As I wrote in my previous email, I am currently in Sevastopol Ukraine. I will also be going to Odessa within the next two to three weeks. I have a good friend here in Sevastopol who can assist us in translation so I would like to call you if possible. Could you please send me your phone number? Also, I am willing to work with your agency if they would like to assist us in arranging a meeting so please have them contact me as well.<" 8/21- Her Second letter This is her entire letter: ">Thank you for your letter, in my turn I'm sorry for my delay, I was very busy. I appreciate your interest to me, it's very pleasant. So, are you still in Sevastopol? <" 8/21 My Third Letter I wrote another pleasant letter and once again included my direct email address and mobile number. 9/21 Her Third Letter After a month delay she once again wrote a three sentence response: ">Again, I'm sorry for my delay, I was out of town because of work. I had some main business trip. Are you still in Sevastopol?<" 9/23 My Fourth Letter I wrote another pleasant letter and explained that I had since returned to the USA. I concluded by saying: ">I would like to speak with you on the phone so please include a number and the best time to reach you. Also, please include your postal and email address. I've included mine below. I'll look forward to hearing from you soon!<" 9/25 Her Fourth Letter She wrote a brief letter which included this response to my question: ">I don't speak any englsih, I'm sorry I can't give you nor my phone either my address, as I don't know you at all & I have never met you before. I'm sorry, but that I am<" 9/26 My Fifth Letter I wrote another letter and concluded it with this paragraph: ">please don't worry about the language barrier. I have many friends who can translate for us and I can make a three-way call with my phone: You, the translator, and myself can be on the same call at one time. So please include a number and the best time to reach you. Also, you can send me your email address and it's fine if you want to write in Russian. In fact, you can write in Cyrillic text as that would make it easy for me to use an online translation. Otherwise I can just forward a copy to my friends for translation. I will look forward to your next letter and speaking with you by phone soon!<" NOTE: I was suspicious from the start so I requested fiance.com to contact the girl directly to confirm her correspondence. Obviously, it would be foolish to contact the agency with ask such a question. Here is the next letter I received: 9/30 Her Fifth Letter: ">I was very upset because of your actions you did to me, I mean your complains to site administration about me being unreal & that somebody not me writes my letters to you. Such a nonsense! I was very disappointed. I give you my phone number but only with one condition: I will talk to you only by the translator. Not friend of yours or some your familiar. Ask for site to help you & give you translator for talking to me. I will wait for your call tomorrow: +373XXXXXX There will be our first & last phone conversation, as I'm very upset.<" 10/01 My Sixth Letter I wrote an EXTREMELY POLITE letter in which I explained my concerns and that: ">I simply asked that they (fiance.com) contact you personally to verify your knowledge of our correspondence.<" I concluded with this paragraph: ">While I would love to speak with you, I don't understand why you wouldn't want a friend to help us in translation. If I would use an agency translator they would charge for this service.....why would you want me to pay? The only beneficiaries would be this website and the commission paid to the agency representing you. Under the circumstances, this is certainly not the situation you would want to create. Besides, if you only wish to speak with me once, what's the point? Anyway, I am sincere in my interest in meeting with you. Hopefully, things will work-out and you will understand my concerns. As always, I've included all of my direct contact information below.<" 10/05 Her Sixth Letter: ">I read your letter, and again you make me very sad. You don't know one thing, maybe you don't want to realize. I DON'T WORK FOR ANY AGENCY. I use service of agency I am now, but I don't work for them. Besides, by saying that I will only speak to you if you take translator from this site I meant that you asked this site administration to help you Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2006 9:30:23 PM   as I said email to me directly admin@fiance.com buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2006 9:33:05 PM   Olga, In the just submitted follow-up post you will see the result of my following your advice to inform fiance.com Instead of the contacting the woman in question directly, fiance.com talked to the agency......and somehow.....surprise, surprise....the woman in question was made immediately aware of the mis-directed inquiry. OK, insert reality: In actuality, the agency employee and the woman in question are one-in-the-same people. I have also in another prior case involving a since closed Odessa affiliate where fiance.com responded by sending me all the contact info, address, passport scan, etc. which is great, except it didn't address my concern: was she the one actually writing the letters. buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2006 9:56:59 PM   If that first wasn't enough or just an anomoly, I'm currently writing another Moldovan woman who refuses to give any outside contact information. I wrote an introductory letter with my email address at the bottom. My profile does specify that I'm not interested in long correspondence, just enough to exchange contact information to arrange actual meetings. In subsequent emails "she" brought up the outside email address I had included a without being specifically prompted. She wrote extensive excuses about wanting to write through the agency which of course made no sense. I will avoid using specific quotes as this correspondence is still un-folding. I will however, turn the info over to Olga for her investigation and report on the results of how it is handled. I will next focus on the Saint Petersburg problem. Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 12:24:16 AM   Great stuff buffed. Check out my thread as it addresses your problem here a little. I notice that Fiance has ignored your request about how much the affiliates are compensated. Maybe it is private which I could understand. I'm sure its not $6 a letter! :) buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 10:20:59 AM   Deano, Thanks for the follow-up, yes, good point, there hasn't been a follow-up on the commission structure. Any of the forum members want to hypothesize on how the affiliates are compensated? You know the saying..."follow the money trail." If we had a handle on the payment structure, we could see exactlty what's motivating them and everything would fall into place. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 10:51:48 AM   buffed still has not reported to admin@fiance.com on the name of the agencies. as for the commissions, they are very little, and not really depend on the number of letter to one person. we will not disclose our model. You as VIP member should not worry about it. you are not paying per letter. Read about agencies on the forum. most of them doing good job providing value for you and ladies. and, all the bad ones constantly disappear form our system, as we remove them. you are given all necessary tools to recognize who is who. ask phone numbers, real address, communicate via private emails. no restrictions from fiance.com. we are not AGENCY, we are normal personals site. please be responsible for your own actions. it is life. and there is our forum, and other forums where one can get a good advice. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 11:36:41 AM   (An instant response with no references to the content of your introductory letter is a dead-give-away of a reflex response letter sent by the agency. However, by itself, it's not an inexcusable action.) I disagree, We all have/had the 'standard' first letter, a lady, not an agency, could transmit such a letter, whilst not acknowledging one's own, perhaps because she is receiving so many letters that she doesn't have time to read and reply to each thus she might merely look at the photos and decide she likes his physical appearance before clicking the 'send' button. It might also be that internet access is something that she can barely afford and she is merely trying to rush. It could also be that she doesn't understand English, despite what it might say in her profile, or her English is poor whereas she can't understand one's letter, she might even take it home to translate at a later time, but she liked one's physical appearance thus decided to reply, perhaps before he may find someone else, without realising that perhaps it might have been better to wait to compose a reply. Or, or, or, she's a scammer! Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 1:54:47 PM   I have no complaints with Fiance.com but the small compensation probably explains why my girl who now is on this site is not responding to my latest letter. Olga if I write to admin@fiance.com will they be able to tell me the name of the local agency my girl belongs to? olegnay Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 3:22:52 PM   this is customer service issue. send it from support form, they will find out. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 5:35:23 PM   Olegnay, Sorry to say but I agree that one of your SPb agencies is a bad apple. In the previous period that I subscribed to fiance.com I would be blitzed by letters from SPb, so many in a day that the ladies must have been travelling by the busload to the agency just to write to me! Of course I could not identify the agency because it was only online communication between the 'supposed' ladies and oneself, no email address, no IP originator, nothing! Martin olegnay Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 6:03:59 PM   yes, but you can tell us ladies' IDs on the site, so we will know which agency danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 6:35:17 PM   Olegnay, It was so long ago, do you have access to what was, then, my mailbox, or do you have a record of letters received, I can't even remember my login details and I'm pretty sure I would have deleted these spam letters. Martin buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 9:41:33 PM   I have a few more minutes so I will now continue with the Saint Petersburg part in this series of posts. I have withheld the second Moldova story since it is still in progress, it is even more outrageous than the previous incident. In fact, the letter I will post excerpts from is so outrageously fake I may actually start a separate post for it entitled "The Biggest Crock of Sh@#t You'll Ever Read." I am going to give Olga the first shot at taking a look into the case. How much does anyone want to bet that I get an out-raged letter from the "girl" in a couple days following a fiance.com inquiry in which she'll predictably so she's "so offended that I would have the audacity to verify her authenticity, that she never wants to hear from me again:)!! OK, getting back to the Saint Petersburg cases. In the first example, I exchanged a few letters. I asked for a phone number at the end of a lengthy letter I'd written and received this answer "> unfortunately we have no phone connection here and I can not use internet from home, so I can write to you with help of agency<" It should be noted that this woman is very attractive (a "Miss Wow" Girl), with a good job. Anyone who's spent more than 24 hours in a FSU country knows that no bona-fide babe would be caught dead without a mobile phone. In fact, not just any mobile phone will suffice, it has to be at least $250 in value or higher. You see, the value of one's mobile phone is viewed as a status symbol among Certified Babes, Up-and-Coming Babes, Near-Babes, and even Babe wanna-be's. I received a first hand tutorial in the field of Mobile phone status symbology from a early 20'ish female agency manager in Ukraine. According to her, since not many people can afford things like Mercedes, Yachts, and Gulfstream Fives to impress their peers with, the mobile phone becomes the key status indicator in the struggle to keep up with the Joneski's. So I can say without reservation that any hot FSU babe can be reached by phone. By the way, most mobile phone plans only bill for outbound calls, incoming are usually not billed. Here are the responses from another Saint Petersburg (Miss Wow) girl to my repeated requests for her direct contact info throughout the course of several letters: >"Unfortunately I can't speak over the phone, because my English is not good enough.<" OK, well I followed up with a letter explaining that I had the ability to make three-way calls and had Russian-speaking friends to assist us. By the way she lists an English level of 5 in her profile. ">I will think over you offer to call<" ">Unfortunately I can only communicate through this site as I simply don't have another opportunity.<" olegnay Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 9:56:18 PM   buffed, email girls' ID to me. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2006 11:10:15 PM   Buff, I guess I can see your point. But what I don't understand is this long drawn out issue of girls not communicating, not wanting to talk except through the agency etc, etc. There are literally hundreds of scenarios of girls scamming, agencies scamming and the like. Hell most of us heard them, some of us experienced them. Fiance can get rid of them the rogue agencys, but they will pop up somewhere else, with a new scam. Other members have taken there shot at Fiance saying there not doing there job. The bottom line is, we try to help each other as much as possible, but it is our own intelligence and responsibility that keeps us from getting scammed not Fiance.com and their affiliates. If something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't in this game. If a girl won't give you her address or phone number or cell number, move on. It's just that simple. As long as there are stupid men willing to give these girls money sight unseen, well they are the lawful prey of these scammers. IMHO I wouldn't waste to much time with the Miss Wow's, I had a couple write me, it's a campaign to improve their status on this site. Few if any are legitimately looking for a man. Later Mike Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/12/2006 1:19:48 AM   Buffed are 110% correct about the mobile phone. It seems to me that 90% of the girl population over there has a mobile phone. For the hot ones its 100%. Even if they don't have a job they will have a sponser (Usually a married man) who takes care of them. That being said it is why I use the mobile phone as an indicator of a scammer girl or not. I only write to the hot single with no kids girls so when they tell me they don't have a phone I'm 99% sure they are lying to me. Sometimes they tell me they had one but it was just recently stolen. I have had that excuse several times. Yes, I know.... many mobile phones do get stolen over there but I'm still thinking it is a good indicator of a legit girl or not. buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/12/2006 2:01:29 AM   Mike and Forum, First, please note that I view this with healthy amount of humor, in fact, you can't really take correspondence as a whole seriously. It's hilarious to see the antics of these affiliates. By the way Mike, I wish to make one correction to your post: most (but not all) scams are done be someone using the women's photos rather than by the woman herself. Mike, your suggestion to just move on and avoid "Miss Wow" (read "attractive") girls misses the point of these posts. All I am saying is cut the Bull-Sh#$t correspondence and arrange to meet in-person. Sure, if your tastes run toward non-babes you will encounter far fewer scams. Mine don't and there's no reason to fly 4,500 miles to date unattractive women. Therefore, it's great yuks to actually call their bluff: "So Sveta, it's great to know that you found my letter of interest and want to get to know me....in that case you'll be thrilled to learn that my good friend Oksana from Odessa is happy to assist us in communication so don't worry about not speaking English....you'll be even more excited to learn that I will also be in Ukraine in just a couple months to see you......." "Oh.....you don't have a mobile phone, one at home, or even a friend with one????.....Oh...and you really love writing letters through the agency only???....Oh, and you think that we need to write many letters to get to know each other??.....wow, and you actually do run down excitedly to the agency after they tell you there's a letter from me???....." You see most of the shysters are counting on the fact that most guys are completely naive, don't know anything or anyone related to their country, and will never actually come to visit anyway. The scammer affiliates absolutely do not how to deal with people like myself and other grizzled veterans on this forum who know the ropes, have friends living in Ukraine (or other FSU country) and ACTUALLY WILL SHOW-UP ON THEIR DOOR-STEP!!! Here's the dirty little secret about the whole industry: very few of the attractive women you see posted on any FSU intro agency website are intensely serious about meeting a foreign man (and I'm referring to the fraction that are actually legit). I must confess that it took me a few trips over before I was able to put the whole FSU agency introduction thing into it's relevant context. It suddenly dawned on me that in reality, it's no different than dating agencies here for the most part, the're just the FSU version of a dating agency. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum >  Affiliate Agencies of fiance.com: Moldova and Saint Petersburg
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