I have had several Kiev girlfriends and they are hot!!! They also speak good English. My current girlfriend even has a greencard not that I can understnd why anyone would want to live in the US. Kiev is the biggest city, the girls are hot and sophisticated amd there are lots of girls there. At the end of the day you find your match wherever she is. Kiev though is the obvious landing spot so personally I would recommend a stopover there and check it out.
will be in Kiev in february to meet a girl,in October wasn't able to and she was disappointed. I like to be
in control making decisions, makes me feel I am not being scammed. Would like to meet a girl I have been
e-mailing for a couple months, is this a good idea? I figure this is a way to see if she is real. She never
asked for anything and it is my idea to visit since I will be in kiev.
Not all , but quite a few guys tracking around up there arn't up to the mark with the "Big City" girls so the head for the "Boonies" thinking the competition will be less intense.
I/O,
It would have been so much easier, and a damn sight less expensive, for me to find that 'special one' in Kiev rather than, where I did find her, Zaporozhye. Just the hassle and cost of flights to Dnepropetrovsk, even more hassle to Zaporozhye, oh it would have been so much easier in Kiev.
But if you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between a Kiev lady and a Zaporozhye lady, Zaporozhye has a population of circa 1 million, then you need to think again.
I could be in Kiev in 3.5 hours from UK whereas to/from Zaporozhye I normally travel on 3 aircraft in a day, a taxi between Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk, 4 bloody airports in a day and a drive home and you're suggesting that guys take the easier option heading for the boonies?
And ..... I have dated Kiev ladies previously and they ain't no different, they're nothing special, in fact they're quite ordinary :)
I didn't marry a girl from Moscow either. :-) But I don't agree that the Kiev/Moscow girls are ordinary. That's bullshit and you know it as well as I do. :-) Don't be a trout rising to the bait, go back and read very carefully the last few words of what I wrote. There is a jab in there for the dreamseekers.
The point is that I have heard all this bullshit about the big city girls being snooty and up themselves and it usually comes from the ones who shouldn't even be over there in the first place because they probably couldn't get laid in a brothel at home.
I/O,
I've read it again and what you suggested was that quite a few guys, perhaps myself included, head for the 'boonies' because we can't make it with a big city girl?
Exactly what is a big city, might a population of 1 million people make a city somewhat on the large side? But, the bottom line is, when writing to ladies a guy should be selecting her on physical age, appearance, personality, hobbies & interests, kids or no kids and not whether she comes from a frigging big city or not :)
Indeed I met my wife in a cafe/restaurant just off Independence Square in Kiev, we entered into conversation and I thought she was a pretty girl, I didn't decline to talk to her or subsequently date her because she wasn't from Kiev :)
And I never said that Kiev girls are ordinary, I said 'quite ordinary', what is so special about them, why are they so different to ladies from Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Lviv, Crimea, Donetsk etc. etc. etc? The answer is that they aren't any different.
And I never said anything about Moscow girls whatsoever, indeed I've never been to Russia.
You are answering your own questions in and of themselves. Exactly correct, there is little or no difference. It is just that some of these dreamseekers talk all this shit about the bigger city girls being all snooty etc and the only reason they do so is that they themselves are not up to the mark in the first instance. Most of them won't find anyone wherever they go because they don't have what it takes to make it period.
Mine comes from 2000 miles out in the Boonies and neither of us were looking for husband or wife when we met. It just wasn't on our radar at the time.
Logistically the outer areas are much harder to get to but these nutters seem to think they can bypass and abundance to get to the few because the competition is a bit hot in the bigger cities. Then oh my goodness, they find some of these places are the home of scams and wonder why.
One thing I will clarify if we talk the FSU in general, 1 million people is not a particularly big city. Mine comes from a city of 1.2 million and cities of that size in Russia are quite plentiful.
BTW Southern Ukraine/Crimea is not exactly the "Boonies". I think you missed the point of the question B/F asked and my answer. What is special about the girls from Lugansk etc. The answer is nothing. At least no more or less so than the bigger cities. The answer as to why guys go to the outer areas more often than not is they are trying to avoid the competition, but they'll never admit that and I don't expect them to. It was a bait to get them to think a bit about their whole preparedness for the process. It ain't a turkey shoot wherever they go.
boredfukka,
To answer your question regarding why outlying cities are talked of more than the major capitals is in the main, I believe, travel related.
Any idiot can travel to Kiev, Moscow etc. but when travelling to, let us say, Lugansk the first question a guy might ask is 'has it got an airport?', second 'how the frigging hell do I get there?' and that is where forums such as this come into their own.
OK, this thread is not travel related it is Lugansk related. I started this dating malarky back in 1998 and Lugansk was one of the major scam cities then, it's all over the internet regarding the organised scamming that comes out of Lugansk (some people heed it, HBJ totally ignores it :) thus this thread is scam related, Kiev, Moscow etc. are not reputed for concentrated scamming the same as cities like Lugansk, Kazan etc.
Martin knows his stuff -- when I first researched FSU bride sites, Lugansk complaints were rampant up to everyone just saying -- if your girl is from Lugansk, just do not write her. Because agency scams in Lugansk got so bad and blatantly corrupt a few years ago.
Now, I might just write one or two girls.
In my opinion? I will steer clear of Kiev, Moscow and SPB, cost of living is high there, many good looking young FSU men have decent paying jobs there and to me that means that most any pretty girl from those two cities joining a marriage agency is more than obviously wanting a very rich and handsome man. Atleast all the girls I wrote to do, but of course there are always girls who just want something else...
And I agree, that if you need help knowing about Kiev and your using this forum? You need a new brain. Google it! LOL!
Apal,
I have been to St Pete's , Moscow , Kiev and seveal other Ukrainian cities.... you can fit in your hand the guys that are good looking. Not that I am checking guys out but you can easily size up any competition. For some odd reason, the women got the looks and the guys got......lets see.....leftovers?? I am not sure about how much weight is put on looks by Ukrainian girls but I have heard many times that girls complain about men drinking to much and not treating them properly. I certainly have seen the drinking part of it, I am still not comfortable drinking in public, all I need is for a corrupt cop to take me into station for some absurd reason about alcohol.
RK
lugansk has not changed with most of its agencies it seems, got friendly with an interpreter after a trip there, we keep in tounch.
she has nouthing nice to say about most girls in their agencies her words "most liars and cheaters".
i wouldnt go back to this place if it involved an agency.
I tend to believe you Kiwi -- I have not been impressed with the profiles of the girls in Lugansk. It seems like a rough industrial town from what I have read from other guy's visits who dared brave the place. I can only imagine the type of girl who lives there and joins an agency -- not going to even try.. was tempted, but way too many bad ingredients to digest.
Beemer, your words about the lack of good-looking guys going to meet FSU women is spot on from what the translators were telling me. They said it was extremely rare for a very nice looking man to visit the girls in Ukraine. 99% were flakes and some had money -- most did not. Most were unattractive guys in their 50's trying to go for the 18-21 year old young hot girls.
Honestly, a really good looking guy should have no problem meeting tons of desperate girls in his own town.
The only reason I do? I have this feeling I cannot shake that says my future spouse is there. It's wierd and I am a flake to admit it, but wtf. I also love writing.
Just be careful not to get in my line of fire -- or I'll send you down in flames. :)
i have been to the ukraine Lugansk a week ago. it is not too bad city but they have a LOT of beautiful ladies. i met three of them from S-Agency. We were on Pharaon night club. You can see there so many ladies and no men :0))) if you will be in Lugansk I offer you to go that club & you will meet so many yang & sexy girls there.. belive me any big marriage agency does not have so many yang sexy girls & all of them are real..
i have been at the S-Agency office,. they look like serious agency. its big office in the center of the city with 15 - 20 workers & Irina S-Agency manager showed me some kind of legal document but i do not understand russian. So, i do not know what was it ..
i lived in their apartment which is on Moskovskaya street 13 floor. very comfortable! i like it!
Where you from!
Yes I was probably staying 13 floors up too!
Is it behind Puppet Theatre somewhere!
Where is Pharaon John near Theatre square anywhere !!
What else did you do with S-Agency!