Hot_wife.... sure there are success stories, and i am sure there will be more to come. It is my opinion that the marrige brokerage industry in the FSU has become so polluted that the chances of finding ms right are becoming slimmer each day. More serious marrige minded girls have become disillusioned by sex tourism and golddiggers are becoming more prevalant due to the mass success of scammers in the past. If a good girl thinks about finding love abroad, i am sure she hears two stories, 1) from a friend who got screwed over by a sex tourist or 2) one who has made a fortune scamming the unsuspecting.
Very well put Viva. I agree 100%. I just got back from two weeks in Nikolaev and Odessa and will post the experience soon. It touches on both your points.
Deano, i eagerly await to hear of your experiences. I too went to that same neighborhood. Although i hope to hear that your experience was better then mine, i get the feeling that it was not. I was really hoping that my experience was just an deviation from the norm, but i suspect it was not. I never really wanted to be so negative about the whole FSU experience, but the more forums i read, the more i learn and my great success in other continents with minimal efforts, are starting to make me think that it wasn't any defect on my part that caused my dismal failures in the FSU, but the whole process of jaded girls, corrupt agencies, and plain bad attitudes about love and marrige in these places. Perhaps the shared experiences of all of us in this forum will really lead to some kind of reform in this whole process but i really doubt it. Let me end on a positive note by congratulating those who were successful and the efforts by this site in particular to keep things as striaght as possible. It is my sincere wish that all who engage in business such as these will continue with due diligence to make the the online romance experience better.
vivalasvegas: I read your posts with interest. I have been to Odessa, and am eager to hear about your experiences there, as well as those of Deano. Two questions though. First, which countries on which continents did you have "great success...with minimal efforts"? Second, why then are you looking for a wife in FSU instead of those other countries? What is it about FSU ladies that you are willing to try harder to find one?
I have been to Ukraine three times to meet ladies, and have solicited from interpreters their opinions re success rates between western men and FSU women. Can anybody else here relate such opinions? My first interpreter in Odessa I befriended and paid her as a tour guide. She was fairly optimistic, was looking for a Western man herself, and indicated that FSU women see this as a viable option. Another interpreter in Kharkov for two women felt it succeeded occasionally. A third interpreter accompanied my date from Mariupol to Kiev; the girl was interested only in the opportunity to sightsee in Kiev on my dime, and the interpreter actually took pity on me. She said almost never sees a marriage result from these visits, and that Ukraine women just use men, and that I should not seek a wife in Ukraine! Whom do I believe? Heck, I don't know, but I've met some nice girls, some users not so nice, which sounds alot like American women... I seek alot of things in a woman, but what I like about FSU women is there higher education. So I'm still in there taking my swings, looking for a home run!
I think the first thing I would do, if you find a woman through an agency is circumvent the agency asap. What I mean the agency is not there to do anything for you except relieve you of your hard earned buck. Find a lady who speaks some english, she doesn't have to be fluent, just have a basic understanding of some words you would be surprised how easy it is to communicate with them with a dictionary.
First I would have never taken an interpretor from Mariupol to Kiev. Too many students in Kiev willing to be a translator for a lot less money and you exempt yourself out of paying the lodging and etc. for the interpretor.
The agency's like to create a dependency with these ladies. They will tell them, they can't make it work without them helping. Hell my ladies agency urged her to write more men because they told her I wasn't even going to show up.
Second give up the idea that finding a really good woman in any country is going to be a minimal effort. It isn't. getting Larissa to the states was the most rewarding and trying thing at times I've ever done. Yes most have a higher education, but the it's the inert qualities I admire the most. At least in my situation, Larissa sees the world very realistically, she sees the opportunity ahead of her for a good life, she has great passion for the things she is trying to accomplish now. Her support for any endeavor I try is beyond anything I've experienced before, her affection and attention is incredible. No this isn't rocket science, but it is a work smarter not harder situation.
Yeah everyone wants a homerun, but what's wrong with a triple off the wall?
If you find a really good partner she will bring you home anyway!
Philly, i started my search in the FSU. After writing letters for months, i broke down and got on a plane with an agency tour. It was a miserable failure. After that i went to Peru. Since i got back two months ago, i have been buried in letters from Peru. I also put ad ad on a filipino website and have been recieved many good responces too. I have given up on FSU girls. I still stay on this website out of curiosity. I am not the only one who has had terrible luck in the FSU. Some guys find a good girl right away. I may be making a generalization here, but in my journeys on this path of internet love, Fsu girls are looking for very wealthy guys. An average joe like me has little chance. Not all FSU girls are golddiggers, i think the really good ones have given up on the agency scene. From what i hear, the really sincere ones won't put their ad on a website like this because there is just too many "bullsh@tters wasting their time. I may be wrong... this is just my opinion.
Nasfan.. when i talk about "minimal effort", i mean that you won't have to send out 100 letters to get 8 responces and out of those 8... 6 will be scammers and once the other two find out you are not filthy rich..... Nas, face it dude, you got lucky, you struck gold, you found the needle in the haystack. Congratulations to you.
Just to add to the satisics - am another very happy English Man with Russian Wife.
Some of the older members of the forum will proberbly remember me, This is the first time i have popped in for a long while, as i have been too busy setting up my new home with my beutiful wife, who is expecting in july.
Be careful, Dont be discouraged, Dont be too Keen - Always be respectful and you shall reap the rewards.
Be warned Russian women are not stupid ladies to use and abuse, they are genrally very worldly and if you are shallow skum then of course they will rip you off get there visa and make of with your home ext... and you shall ofcourse deserve it !
If your Genuine you will have many happy years too come.
All my efforts have been worth it even if it all ended tommorow I have had 2 g8 years with a lady of my dreams.
Nasfan6,
I don¡¦t know if it is so easy to circumvent the agencies, at least until I meet the woman. Honestly, I like the convenience of sending emails with translations this way, and to try to gauge the woman¡¦s interest through some letters. Also, in my work I must schedule any vacations months in advance, and so the letters are useful during the preparation time. Yes, the dictionary can be an entertaining aid in communication with a woman, and brings out her playful side. ƒº
I did not wish to pay for the interpreter to travel to Kiev with the woman. She insisted upon it because she was afraid to travel by train alone, and afraid to fly completely. However, in the end, I was ripped off, and I will simply say no in the future. She fooled me pretty good!
Finally, after three round trips from mid-America to Ukraine encompassing 30 days and over $12,000, the good ship ¡§Minimal Effort¡¨ sailed a long time ago! Although¡K does Larissa have a sister?!! ƒº
Vivalasvegas,
Interesting perspective. I don¡¦t know the exact truth about FSU women. Certainly it¡¦s not like shooting fish in a barrel, but at least I¡¦m in the game. As for women from South America, do they have the intelligence and education of their FSU counterparts?
Southerngentuk,
Always good to hear a happy ending.
philly... i am relutant to answer your question. I feel like i am getting boxed into talking trash about FSU girls.... but since this forum is about straight talk, i will voice my opinion....
You ask about education and intelligence. You will find both in every counrty in the world. The question is... can YOU find this girl? Now i have been to many countries and during the last 10 months have written extensivly to 100 girls from various countries. I have learned that there are three types of women. 1) one that stimulates you under the waist 2) one that stimulates your heart 3) one that stimulates you above the shoulders. I have found a sincere girl from each of these catigories. Now i need to decide which one i will make a partner of a lifetime. Now when it come to FSU girls.. it is my opinion that they mostly fall into the first catigory. Now these girls make have a degree, but that does not make them intelligent. Someone told me FSU are the worlds greatest actors and to an extent, this is true. I sincerly believe that these girls really are lacking in smarts, but they sure can sound intelligent!! When i have done some digging, i have found them to really be full of themselves. They think they are all that, but are not. They can talk a good game, but when the time comes to play.... prepare for disappointment. YES there are girls of great intelligence in the FSU, but they are rarely looking to find find love abroad. The truely intellent ones can make their way on their own. The FSU is packed with oppertunity for those with true understanding of how to get it (which may be what you are looking for)
now do not let my statements dispagage those who have found real gems in the FSU. The biggest problem is all the corruption in the FSU with scammers and bad agencies. Now i have had a better time in Peru because there is not the level of agency corruption and scammers that i have found in the FSU. There are real gems still in the FSU, but the question you must ask yourself is... how long are you willing to dig and how much treasure are you willing to sacrifice and how much heartbreak are you willing to endure to find this gem? I have opted to move to greener pastures, and have found many diamonds without excessive sacrifice and heartbreak.
What you seek is probably not inside the prettiest package. For most, the greatest motivation to find an FSU girl is to have a "trophy wife" to show off or a supermodel sex toy. You need to really think about what is most important to you. Look for a soulmate, explore the heart and soul of the women you write to. You may get lucky and find great looks, heart and brains but you need to be realistic too. Do you have what it takes to hold such an exquisite find? You need to find an equal... if you are only a six, look for a girl who is also a six. If you are only of average smarts, do not seek a rocket scientist. If you are affectionate, do not marry an ice cube.
Hey I really appreciate the info you guys have posted here. I was hoping you could give me some feedback. I'm booked for a trip to Odessa in May with Anastasia. They've been fine in the details but I guess I wouldn't be too surprised if I actually have no plane, hotel or social to got to. I have to say that scam or no scam the whole FSU thing has been pretty entertaining. I've corresponded with women who seem very intelligent and sincere and seem to have much more empathy and less self-centeredness than US woman (of course this could be because they're getting paid for the letters?!).
Anyway, I'm going to have a good time without too many expectations. I don't have too much trouble meeting women in the US, but my general impression is that I'll have more dates in ten days with quality woman than I would have in a year in the US - is this way off? If it is I'd probably rather travel somewhere else.
My kids have Russian ancestry and I have always been fond of Russian literature. I have this impression that FSU woman have not had the easy life and are appreciative of blessings in life. I'm not looking for a big mismatch just a wonderful partner - although my ex of 20 years was an 8-9 and I'm a 6-7 so my expectations are a little out of line!
Funincal,
I've never had any dealings with Anastasia but from what I hear you may expect to meet some professional daters, ladies that date men for a free meal, a good time, perhaps some perfumes and clothes and with probably a boyfriend or husband waiting for her at home.
Wow! That will be just like here in the US with my ex-wife. Although in her defense she didn't get the boyfriend till the end of our marriage. I think your right about the seriousness of most on the site. I got the old evasive manuvuers when I told a couple that I'd be in town. It's probably good that my expectations are now down to nothing - and I got there with a minimal investment. The letters that I paid for were worth it to me and now my wallets in my front pocket with my hand on it. The letters did fill a void at a point in my life that needed filling and I think a few of the women that I corresponded with were sincere.
One thing for guys to be aware of are Anastasias pictures. They are AMAZING! I don't know how they do it. When I see one that seems interesting and attractive I GOOGLE her name, location, and age and 50% of the time I can find another profile of her at a different site with a different set of pictures. Invariably the Anastasia pictures are 9-10 and the others are 6-7. I don't know how they do it but they must be wizards with Photoshop.
funincal,
I've lots of experience with anastasia. yep, the photos are top shelf. Having been to Ukraine three different trips, I can tell you that those pics are the very very best they will ever appear. Most of the time, when you meet the woman, you can really say that she is the same person in the photo, but you really have to squint hard!!! I did meet three women that were every bit as beautiful as their picture, but I'm not so certain how sincere they were about things. I think they do a lot of window shopping, and say lots of wonderful things about love in their letters to you, but in the end it's often just getting out on the town on someone else's dime when you arrive. It isn't do very different from the U.S. women, except that you have to travel halfway 'round the world to Ukraine to get hosed. On the other hand, I do think some of them are looking for a mate, and if they thought you were the right one, it could happen. Just don't go over there thinking every girl is going to be panting at the opportunity to marry you!
I did attend a social in Odessa. 40 men and 200 women. 8 interpreters sitting around available to help you. No, they are not swarming all over you wanting to marry, but they are all looking to meet someone. It's just like a singles bar in the states, except the ratio is much better, and let's face it fellas, the competition is not the fiercest. But if you don't like singles bars, then you won't like the socials. The interpreters did not help set the guys up at all. I thought it was a waste of time. Better to contact 2-4 ladies in the same city and then travel over to see them all. More efficient and saves lots of money.
I remember you southerngent, both of us were looking on here a couple of years ago, congratulation on your news, my wife and I have been married 16 months and have a 6 month old daughter. Good luck to you
Thanks alot for the info - it's very helpful. I'm looking at the socials like you said I should- just like a US singles bar with better ratios. Any hints on how to tell those that just want to go out on my dime from those who might be sincere when I'm at the socials.