ok i can see that, that could be true. Maybe more of a case of wishful thinking on their part.
I just wondered if someones great great great grandparent was an immigrate would that affect the way they think today. Having said that I'm from NZ and NZ'ers travel a lot maybe because its in our blood!
I too am not sure what your point is Annika. I would imagine the only thing that would get most people to leave their home, friends, and culture would be economic in nature, regardless of the final destination. A woman may only marry someone she has genuinely fallen in love with…but the reason she started looking outside her home country would most likely to improve her situation. I do not know that it is a bad thing. But in addition to economics a major reason many people wish to immigrate to America is the opportunity to be all that you are willing to work for. It cannot be denied that America is the land of opportunity...one only has to look at former President Clinton. Although I disagreed with him politically one has to hand it to him for being raised in a trailer park by a single mother in rural Arkansas to become President of the United States.
Here no matter what you are born to, you can become what ever you are willing to sacrifice for.
The politics quite frankly are an abstraction to most people who just want to go about their daily business without being molested.
yeah the nearest country to NZ is australia and thats 3 hours. Now i'm working in the UK is amazing as I can travel to over 10-20 countries in 3 hours.
I think its fair to say everybody wants a better life for themselves. Its in our genes, DNA is clever that way.
Annika, in America in our days most people (including the sons and daughters of the immigrant farmers-:) have resolved issues related to financing basic daily needs just like people did in many parts of western Europe. The main difference that I have found between Americans and Europeans is in attitude. Europeans are more likely to complain about more things more often, and the usual entity to blame (in some occasions justifiably) is the government. Over there the citizens are supposed to pay the government to take care of many of the citizens' affairs. Over here it's a bit different. In a sense, you're on your own. There are fewer obstacles to become whatever you desire if you are willing to work hard and as someone else said to sacrifice enough. In America we are accustomed not to expect our government to take care of us. As a result, we are a lot more adaptable to social and economic change. When the former soviet union expired, most people had not clue what to do because they were used to have the government take the important decisions for them. I admire all the honest women from the FSU who have the guts and courage to seek a better life. Most women do not particularly look for American or European spouse (maybe they try to avoid Australian after they read this forum-:) Nothing wrong to seek a better life and try to find a better choice of spouse in another country (applies to both men and women).
You are talking about money. The reality is much more complicated. A lot of Russian women think that they need MORE. And do not agree to lower their level of expectation.
That means they want to have a family that resembles their parent’s family. If they have not found a real one among next door neighbor they are trying to look for a real one via Internet. To have a relative soul. They expect a lot and may be often imagine a “real person” in someone who is actually just a jerk.
Money is one of the most important things in this world especially if a woman have a child or planing to have one. In this case all is much more easier – both knows what they want.
I read this forum only because it is actually the only place there men talk about possible marriage. I like to read a true story of person’s successes in finding a family.
I also have a favorite forum – tetkam.net I think this link will be interesting to you. http://tetkam.net/article.php?id=1361
Bagira, you're missing the point. In fact, you're so blindfoded that you don't even read what others have to say.
None said that marriage is purely a financial contract between two parties. I certainly don't believe so, and have no contracts with my wife-:) We love each other, care about each other, and try our best to make each other happy every day. We both work hard to build a bright future for our family. I know of a number of other similar marriages that have proven successful. Yourself and Annika are the eastern eruopean version of vanechka and co (yaiks). You obviously live a very boring life full of disappointments. You're coming here purely in the hope that you will read about someone else's relationship that went sour. Reading about others' unhappiness and pain makes you feel less miserable. Very typical symptoms of depression. I would suggest that you seek cure at a specialist. Best of luck to you taking care of your problems.
I really hurt that you compare me with Vanechka. I care about people and their feelings.
I came to this forum in order to hear about anyone success. I saw how your happy marriage changed you from defensive and suspicious person into a happy one.
I am not a nice person.
I also sometimes answer to the first post not to the last in the topic.
I am happy person and want to see every one around me happy.
I think about money all the time and do not feel guilty about it. I work hard and always worked hard trying to get enough money to live. You defiantly have not been in situation of Defolt year in 1998 then I was not able 6 months to earn money in order to buy bread or aspirin to my kid.
I really feel alone and crave about marriage. I do not think there is something wrong in this desire.
Hey Bagira, I'm sorry I misinterpreted your previous posts. I didn't mean to be disrespectful. You have a deeply emtional twist in your writings that sometimes conveys a somewhat negative angle to what you say (in addition to the language barrier). You have the same right to love and be loved as has everyone else. You're lucky to have a child in your life to give you happiness. It's healthy to crave love and marriage. I wish you the very best.
P.S. The V is like none else, you're dead right on this! If he were able to find a Russian girl, any girl, willing to even take a glimpse at him, I'm sure he'd become the most passionate advocate of international dating.
Annika77:
I think it is more realistic to believe that a woman from a FSU country has a right to consider her possible economic future in the US. If a woman thinks she can get as good a husband in the US as she could in ____ , why not try for the economic potential also ?
Cowboy, what if you met an ugly FSU girl who was very sincere and loved you. Would you dump her in hopes of finding a girl who is both beautiful and sincere??
I know it sounds harsh. But of coarse you dump her!!!!
Ordinary can be got anywhere, even better than ordinary and comes with a job and more often than not property. An FSU woman is going to cost you money all the way.
It sounds romantic to travel the world lokking for your your love. But seriously. Why would you look for an FSU woman if you dont want VERY ATTRACTIVE?????????????
Maybe things like,intellectual ability, lack of prozac and zoloft.Integrity, deep rooted culture. Someone who looks at a relationship as more than an assest grab. A woman who understands the roles that each other play in a relationship. The two months I have had my lady here in the states I have learned more about a real woman than I have ever learned about my past relationships. The thing the strikes me the most, is her appreciation for the opportunity that she has in front of her now. Oh I did forget to mention she is very beautiful, acts like a lady all the time and isn't afraid of hard work. That is rare in any society.
As for Geri, he will always eat baked beans. The anal prose will never end from him.