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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Most call themselves Christians Author Post CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/2/2003 6:34:45 PM   I've found that most Russian women call themselves Christians because of their Orthodox heritage, but many of them are atheists. I started this topic to see were it goes. Mostly I think they are not concerned about the religion issue. However, I know some men are. I have noticed that most Russian will not mind the status of your religion as long as you are not fanatical about it. This will scare them off very quickly. It's an issue that must be addressed in you relationship at some point. If you have children will she mind them being raised say Catholic or Methodist? What are your thoughts on this? Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/28/2003 11:37:34 AM   For me I am very open, and tolerant to all beliefs, religions... etc.. and yes stating they're Christian is basically Orthodox background when their thoughts lead more to aethism, or Agnostic at best. CodeRed the slightly heated debate over religion which occurred when my girl said she had for a time gone into, seeked idea Cathliscm, Buddhism... and had determined they were complete b.s., that with our limited communication created a small argument...when I pressed her over her strong emtional disagreement over these religions. I felt she should at least respect a religion if in it's practice it led one to follow a certain discpline that led to good behaviours, etc.. Then I brought up that in America Private Catholic schools can provide a great education to children regardeless of their beliefs...anyway yes if you place your religious beliefs high up on list of compatibilty than the sooner confronted the better...for me it wasn't an issue except for her strong intolerance to certain religions Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/28/2003 1:12:56 PM   For me I am very open, and tolerant to all beliefs, religions... etc.. and yes stating they're Christian is basically Orthodox background when their thoughts lead more to aethism, or Agnostic at best. CodeRed a slightly heated debate over religion occurred when my girl said she had for a time gone into, seeked idea Cathliscm, Buddhism... and had determined they were complete b.s., that with our limited communication created a small argument...when I pressed her over her strong emtional disagreement over these religions. I felt she should at least respect a religion if in it's practice it led one to follow a certain discpline that led to good behaviours, etc.. Then I brought up that in America Private Catholic schools can provide a great education to children regardeless of their beliefs...anyway yes if you place your religious beliefs high up on list of compatibilty than the sooner confronted the better...for me it wasn't an issue except for her strong intolerance to certain religions spartyco Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/30/2003 8:52:26 PM   Situational ethics. It depends. Monotheism is important to me. I'm of the Protestant tradition, Presbyterian actually. Atheism would not work for me. Agnostic maybe. Russian Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, American Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist... these are faith practices of Christianity. While I may not agree with the faith practices of these other traditions of Christianity, I can at minimum appreciate that there is a belief in a higher being. I met a woman from Kherson last year. She was raised in Russian tradition. She did not like this practice. We discussed my practices. This seemed to work well for us to discuss. Unfortunately, other challenges, unrelated, could not be overcome. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/30/2003 10:02:17 PM   The faiths Russian Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, are infact the oldest of Christian faiths. The Protestant tradition didnt come about till the early 1500's. Because of Martin Luther. However, If your faith is Catholic there is a form of the Catholic faith that is very much like the Russian Orthodox faith and would be very welcoming to her. It's called "Byzantine Catholic Church" it is of Eastern Rite. It is still under the Pope of Rome. To find their locations in the United States go to: http://www.byzantines.net/StNicholas-Orlando/links.htm Many Russian-American couples go to this church. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/31/2003 12:20:42 PM   Before you copy and paste your brainless theories, use your binoculars next time ... the man said: "We discussed my practices. This seemed to work well for us to discuss. Unfortunately, other challenges, unrelated, could not be overcome". CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/31/2003 4:54:11 PM   Correct, glade you can read. And the copy and paste is of my own writings. But I will not resort to name calling as you do. To get back to the subject. I simply gave a bit of helpful information to others reading the discussion in an effort to help them. Sorry that its offensive to you. And the faiths I discusssed above are not theories they are fact. The "Byzantine Catholic Church" was offered in order to help others who would find the information useful. May I ask what information has been offered by you on this subject matter other than your rude comment above. Well Good luck to all and I hope you will find this information of use. In fact the Orthodox faith and the Catholic faith are very closely ralated and from the same roots. The fact that she was raised in the Russian tradition she would have liked the Byzantine Catholic Church because when you walk in to the church it looks and feels of Russian Orthodox. Both have the same practice with very little differance. But the Byzantine Catholic Church does follow the Pope of Rome and is accepted by the Catholic Church as a Catholic faith. This is very important to Catholics. I in no way ment to take from the Protestant faith, the both have their own arguments for authenticity. However, I an offering a bit of information in hopes that it may help those that need it. It is a way for those of the Catholic faith to offer a compromise to their woman that are of a Orthodox faith and would be acceptable to both. Christianity can be a deciding factor in some relationships, I hope to just give a little help to those that this suggestion may work for. There will always be other challenges, unrelated. That can or cannot be overcome. Those are other topics of discission that may or may not be found in this forum. But in the relm of "Most call themselves Christians" I was offering some information to all that I truly hope will help someone in their relationship. I started this topic to inform that some woman call themselves Christians because of their connection to the Orthodox faith. Keep in mind that I did say MOST. Because there are some Protestant faiths in Russia. However, they have a very small following and it would be very rare to find one. The highest percentage of woman will be Orthodox or Agnostic in Russia. This is all fact not brainless theories. I hope that this information will help someone. Good Luck to all!!!! wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2003 2:27:17 PM   Most RUWs have no problem converting to anything. It is a fact that they will convert to islam and many have done so in order to marry men from islamic CIS countries or even get married to middle eastern men. I find this disgusting (that white girls of European descent will convert to islam in order to get married to muslims), but this is me. I will say it again: MOST RUW MAIL ORDER BRIDES ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT. The youngest, prettiest, most educated, etc. do have many options and will choose a white man of Christian religion. The less wanted ones usually will settle for anything. There is currently a flow of RUWs to S. Korea and SE Asia. They will convert to islam, buddhism, hinduism whatever. They are atheists, they don't believe in God and Jesus, God is not part of their culture like it is in western culture. I have no problem with atheism. But, some people are too devout to accept atheism. I find it difficult to believe that religion can be insurmountable problem in a marriage with an RUW since these girls are usually willing to do anything for their man. If she needs to go to the church, any church, to satisfy her man, she will do so. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2003 5:04:14 PM   Well not all Russian woman would sell their souls to leave Russia. In fact some prefer not to leave Russia and would prefer to not marry outside of Russia. Some that you contact on the sites will noe even answer your letters because they have moved on with their lives and have decided no to persue the idea. So its not a bleek as you make it sound. But each to their own thoughts. But beyond all this, it is a deciding factor for some couples. Not for all but for some. If this information can help but one couple find their way, then its good. Good Luck to all!!! norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2003 3:58:20 PM   Why is it disgusting that a bascically non-religious "white" person converts to Islam? Lot's of people, white or otherwsie convert. It's one of the world largest religions, and part of arabic culture. are you willing to make the cultural jump, islam is just a step. Like christianity there are many ways of being it. For example you can be called Bush and wage war while simulateously promoting a jesus day. Love your enemy as yourself, turn the other cheek etc. point is religion, atheism is stricktly also a religion, is part of us all, and everyone has a personal interpretation. Accepting a large relgion is no more selling your soul than accepting any custom, say hollywood if you will. Go RW ! markrammond Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2003 4:41:07 PM   Am I alone in thinking that religion isn't really a deciding factor? I don't really mind about religion or race. If I meet someone who makes me happy I don't really mind if they are into Jesus or Mohammed or Buddha or whatever. It's a personal thing. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2003 9:26:13 PM   To markrammond: you can't marry to a muslim unless you convert to their religion, so it is a deciding factor. Muslims hate Christians, this is a fact of history. Christians have tried to co-exist with Muslims unsuccessfully, this is also a fact of history. To norway: it is disgusting and appalling when a white person converts to Islam. Islam is the religion of hate. Read the koran, it states: "the infidel should convert or die". It's not only one of the world's largest religions, it's the world's largest cult. Think about it. Your comments about Bush are irrelevant. His war is war against evil to allow the sane of this world to continue to have their Jesus Day whatever Jesus means to each of us. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2003 10:14:54 PM   I have to say I compleatly agree with wtrav02 on this one. markrammond Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 2:36:15 AM   Yes but this is a site with Russians and Ukraine ladies. Excuse my ignorance but they are not Muslims are they? I'm not sure that anyone here on this forum is a Muslim either. I think both us Gents and these Ladies are of non-extreme religions or no religion at all so its hardly going to make any real difference. If a Man is a Muslim isn't he supposed to go for one of his own; if so he would hardly be on here if its the predominant factor in choosing a life partner. If you are with a Lady and she wants to bring up your children in one way and you another then its up to you to come to an agreement. And thats part of the getting to know someone stage. I don't see how 1000s of years of Jihads & Wars etc would really come into the equation. I wouldn't expect a Lady from elsewhere to tailor herself exactly to my specifications, you have a choice to accept someone or not. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 4:46:21 AM   I have to say that I was trying to say was what Mark has understood. Most people are not extreme. Both the bible and the koran included sick and hateful ideas; in the bible's old testament you are supposed to STONE a WOMAN to death for adultery. I would find it much more "disgusting" if a person of any colour felt obligued to agree with the narrow and extreme religious and rascist phoebia of our two american friends. Go RW! Only americans think that only americans know anything about what is evil and sane. As far as history is concerned, things were pretty absurd before the renaisance. Lets not go backwards. Good point Mark about the predominance of Islam in the southern russian states! I am a white Christian if anyone should wonder. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 2:42:34 PM   Early in the morning [Jesus] came again to the temple; all the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?" This they said to test him that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the eldest, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus looked up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again." Jesus stopped the stoning. I think what your trying to relate to is Deuteronomy 21:21 About casting out the evil with stones. Stoning was the usual method of capital punishment in ancient Israel. People who broke specific statutes of law (developed around the law of Moses by man) were put to death by stoning. Stoning was normally carried out by the men in the community upon testimony of two witnesses who would then cast the first stones (Again developed around the law of Moses by man). The Israelites considered adultery a serious threat to the family so punishment was carried out with swiftly and harshly. Moses told of God's law so the people could take possion of the promised land. This was before the time of Jesus. In these laws it never stated to stone a woman for adultery. The people took the law of Moses and built on it. Moses was following the word of God to establish law and order. But to stone a woman was never part of the Old Testament. Time for you to go back to Sunday school. I am not a fanatic of the bible but I do know whats in it before I quote it. I dont use the King James version but I took it from that because I felt you were talking anout that. Good Luck to all.. markrammond Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 2:57:33 PM   Norway, I agree with some of what you say. I think some of the other writers seem to project a superiority of certain cultures and religions when compared to others. Its rather worrying. I see we are seeing things like "the less wanted ones usually will settle for anything" and other racist comments that I'd rather not read or quote. Behind the gloss of this polished website there are real people, I think some forget that. Just as human as you or I. Some of the writers seem genuinely to feel that you some people are born/located/raised as better than others but who really knows that they are superior? I'd hope by now that younger people like us all should be enlightened by now, we are all brothers, neighbours in a shrinking world. We form a perfect symbiotic circle. What affects one effects the other. We must understand that. I can certainly understand someone embracing religion if it adds something to their life. I must admit I would be more keen to meet someone sensible who had thought about their own path rather than having been a subscriber to any code of practice. But ultimately we do not live in a vacuum but are surrounded by many contradictory thoughts and opinions. It is to each man to decide whether and how he lives his life - and each woman. Regardless of race, colour or creed. Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 3:33:42 PM   Mark I totally… strongly agree with all said above… My ideas may be naive, but looking for commonality instead of differences, understanding instead of ignorance can change things exponentially for the better… we are all here looking for love, and Russian women, yes? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 3:39:03 PM   Thank you codered it's only been a few days since I read that, along with the parable of the plank vs speck of saw dust in the eye. Perhaps you can quote us Islam's defence for it's contradictions, jihad vs peace etc Or have you not heard them yet? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 5:47:35 PM   Call a spade for a spade. Western culture men like younger woman. Russian woman like older men. A bit over simplified, there are other reasons and generalised yes but still. Perfect match? No not as simple... you need some cultural flexibility. Yes we all like the match, no I don't like woman being insulted because they don't fit into someone's narrow inflexible ideals. Culture/Religion is always going to be a hot point in a foreign relation. It's important that some people understand that sooner rather than later. Russian brides > Main Forum > Most call themselves Christians
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