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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > I want to get married too! Author Post ira Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 4:15:54 PM   I am from Ukraine. First of all I would like to say something about marriage agencies. NEVER, I said, NEVER visit them if you want to find a partner (if you are looking for a stingy golddigger or if you need a pretty girl who would leave you after she gets all your money (or american citizenship), go for it, but I would advice you to visit Thailand first - girls there are more simple). I have never been a member of these ones but I have a friend, she works for such an agency. Most ukrainian girls don't know English at all, maybe only "hi" and "bye". When such a girl comes to an agency, they ask only for a photo. A girl gives her pic, after that she can sleep calmly - the agency will do everything for her. They have people which would write letters to you instead of those "girls", and you'll be very surprised when you know at the end that she wrote passionate letters using the translator of that agency (frankly speaking not even translators - often girls are too lazy to compose letters even in russian, so there are some girls or boys specially to write letters). But the most funny (and sad) happens when a stranger comes to visit his "bride". He finds out that she never wrote letters to him - first. Second - all she can say in English is "oh" and "yes", she is pretty but you understand that she is not actually a person you used to contact for a year. The agency proposes the interpreter to you (as far as i know 20$ per hour, funny that the interpreter gets only 2$ of them) and the show begins. NOT ALL THE GIRLS, BUT A LOT don't even plan to move abroad - it is scareful, stressful etc, especially if you don't know language. Visas, documents, road - too complex for a lazy one who didn't want even write letters in her native language once per week. But this girl is a lack of money. Of course if you look like Brad Pitt, she would really get pleasure from spending her time with you, but a lot of guys are of 40+ (even if they look younger) and they prefer 20yo ukrainian ones, as for 20yo ukrainian ones - they prefer of the same age and a man of 40+ in Ukraine is considered OLD. I met only one or two 20yo girls in my life who really liked men of that age, other ones were sick even thinking about them. A girl does her best to get money from a "future husband" - eg a person of 60 from texas came to a "bride" to Kharkov. the "bride" of 40yo didn't like him or something like that so the agency took a pretty girl of 20 and proposed her to the man (she told that she was 40 too and he "believed" her, maybe he had the eyesight). A girl appeared the stoic and even kissed him, as for sex she told him she was a virgin (they always say if they don't want to do it). All those two weeks she did her best to get money - but the american one was cute - restaurants, cafes but no money. At last she told him that she lost her cell phone (tears, oh my god, parents would kill me) but even than he only gave his old cell phone to her. That was very funny, I'm still laughing reminding her curses. Sigh, it is very sad because a regular (not stingy, I swear) girl (like I am for example) has few chances to get married with the american man. Even if you are pretty, if you want to get married using the agency you need to be some predator, I don't even know the right word. For agency it is better to have a deal with stupid girls - sure if a girl knows English, you don't need that agency anymore. And even if it's a regular nice american guy (not an ugly farmer or some loser looking for cheep entertainment), he would probably get not a bride but some sex tour (often without sex, I would call it petting tour). My advice - if you are looking for love in Russia, Ukraine etc, try ICQ, Yahoo!MSN and forget about agencies. At least you would know precisely that your girl knows English and you talk to HER, not to the translator. There are golddiggers too but not so much. BTW I am 24 and I REALLY like older men)))))))))) Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 4:55:56 PM   Ira, everything you said have been discussed here 100 times. Do not generalize. and everybody uses, yahoo, fiance, match, date and other coms to communicate with girls who have private emails. And, as you said not every girl in Ukraine has private email, they have to go to the agencies. ira Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 5:09:41 PM   and why i can not discuss it in 101st time also nobody really uses yahoo,icq and other internet pagers to look for a bride - searching for key words "marry", "marriage", "bride" didn't bring ANY results))) only "a married man/woman looking for..." Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 5:26:30 PM   are you discussing something here? I only see statemnts:) not questions. would you liek to hear different opinion? make search on this forum and read them. ira Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 5:53:13 PM   and why you didn't like my "statement" so much... as for different opinions - i told you about my own experience. Maybe on your site people have never had those problems. As far as i know discussion is not only questions - that is a struggle of statements)))sorry for my russian english. buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 7:54:20 PM   Ira, Thank you for your post, coming from a women's perspective it is a positive affirmation to the same observations often presented by western men contributing their thoughts to this forum. Ira you wrote: ">A girl gives her pic, after that she can sleep calmly - the agency will do everything for her. They have people which would write letters to you instead of those "girls< This fake correspondence goes on here all the time. In fact, I just got a letter from a "girl" today who suddenly "decided I just wasn't her type" after a few letters. Golly:)....This same thing happened at least three times before.....coincidentally, each such response immediately followed letters I'd sent announcing my up-coming trip to her city in just a few weeks:) I heard a great story from another agency last Fall. Evidently, another agency had taken the photos of one of a female translator they occasionally hired. They told her they wanted her photos to show their employees on the website. Instead they created a profile for her on the website and wrote fake letters. A German man who corresponded with her for several months bought a tour package and came specifically to see her. When he arrived the agency called the girl and said they needed her to translate for the man. Evidently, she showed up to translate and the agency still didn't tell her what was going on. It was quite a shock to both of them when they finally discovered what had happened:) About the man you wrote about who wouldn't fall for the gift buying scams. This is a great subject in itself. You see Ira, most Western men aren't fooled by these simple minded scammers. There is a very wise saying we have in America (perhaps our British and Australian members have the same) that Ukrainian women would do well to learn. And that is to "GIVE SOMEONE ENOUGH ROPE TO HANG THEMSELVES." Most Western men are astonished by the short-sighted, small time mentality of these women. They will pull their cheap scams, thinking they are being so clever and the man so naive. In reality, the man is sitting back in disbelief watching as simpleton squanders an opportunity for a life-time of prosperity for a few trinkets. Of course, this is illustrative of the cultural mind-set which is the central problem for Ukraine and other CIS countries to a slightly less degree. That problem being the complete inability to dispense with short-term greed for long term benefit. This mind-set is so culturally in-grained an pervasive that it will take generations, not a matter of years to over-come. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 8:28:51 PM   Ira, as I said, we know about all these cases, and they are discussed. and again I am telling you, not everybody uses agencies. Ira, do not use agancy. use sites like fiance, yahoo, msn. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2006 11:51:29 PM   Thanks Vanechka Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2006 1:31:20 AM   he is from ukraine not Austraia. I remember Vanechka was from AU timmy21 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2006 4:31:26 AM   to Buffed, I ve lived in far east Ukraine for the past 14 months, I really think there are many guys sending money to these agency girls, I am not saying guys who send money are stupid, but more so generous, and with an idea that they may, just may, buy their love, but in the long run, the guy will lose his money and the girl. No matter how much you spend you can never buy love. I ve come across many agency girls; very attractive of course, who dont work, live with a single parent, however, they dress in designer clothes and have a nice mobile. And desigener clothes here are very expensive. Guys from the US and the EU, i think to a lessor extent need to know that they never and i mean never send these girls, I am sure that all the guys here have heard the saying that only send a girl money if they have met, and I say, what the fock does that have to do with anything, just because they met its OK to send a girl money each month, of course it isnt, only if you plan to lose it. The bottem line, never and i mean never send money to these girls, money corupts, money creates scammers, scammers are made, not born, and once a girl here has an idea what its like to have money, the one thing she wants more in life than anything is more money. tradman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2006 4:45:46 AM   interesting:-) wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2006 9:32:34 AM   Right on timmy. My Ukrainian wife of two and a half years never asked for money when we were dating. She was 19 when I first dated her. I never sent or gave money to her while we were dating. I just gave her reimbursement once for train tickets, etc. the first time she had to tavel from Kharkov to Kiev to meet me. In fact, I had to insist that she took the money. I sent her flowers on occasions and sweets and brought her gifts each time I visited. You're right on, you cannot buy love, you can only earn it, and that's not even guaranteed no matter how much you try. Chemistry must exist. If she's gonna love you, she must do so because of the man that you are, not for how much you pamper her. I can't believe how stupid some people are sending money to women they don't even know in other countries. My rule always was: don't provide before you marry, period. Annika77 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/12/2006 7:34:14 AM   Very interesting discussion! People just buy like to buy the dream!!! Bagira Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2006 11:07:15 PM   Irinka! I like your post. It is the most cynical post I ever read. I understand that you want to travel and may be work in the USA. Why not to get education as a Nurse in Ukraine (USA ask for at least 2 years Nurse College in Ukraine, evaluate your diploma, pass a Nurse exam) and find a job in USA through a Recruitment Firm? Or you can enter a Graduate School with Scholarship and work as a Teaching Assistant – grade student work or run a Lab. Why do you want to Marry Old American Man? Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/14/2006 12:33:34 AM   She was joking Jfeb3 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2006 3:08:37 PM   Ira, What you say does not match my experience in the Ukraine. Many people there knew enough English for me to communicate with them. I had learned some basic Russian and when I would begin to ask or say things in Russian they would often say to me,'speak English' or answer me in English. Most were not fluent, although I did meet people who were. I met three women that I had chosen as those I would like to meet. One was completely fluent, another was fairly fluent and understood more than she could speak, but we communicated with no problem. The third spoke some English and some Spanish (I speak Spanish fairly well) and we had a good time using a mixture of Russian, English and Spanish. I was in the Ukraine for 3 weeks and did not have any serious problem communicating with people. Of course, I knew the important basic Russian question words and phrases, but many people knew some English and were very helpful. It is true that there are many dishonest people, but there are many such women to be found at any club here in the US also. With all relationships a person can be foolish or use good judgement. If a person uses good judgment and sense in any relationship they are more likely to have success and if they are foolish they are open to abuse in any relationship. Mostly the same applies whether you meet in person or on the internet, in your home country or abroad. I wonder why you think Thailand would be any different? People are not so different anywhere you go. Some are dishonest and if you behave foolishly and make yourself vulnerable to them they will find you. hiii98 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2006 12:30:02 PM   i would like to say from first hand experience and knowledge that everything Ira has said is the truth, i do not know her personally , but her words embody my own experiences with marriage agencies, especailly now being engaged to a girl who worked for such a scam outfit in Ukraine... hanni Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2006 12:39:49 AM   There is an old saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted". It is as true now as it ever was. Now before I say what I do first, understand, I have worked with and attended university classes with many Russian woman - and I adored them. But I adore them for their minds, their unique culture and yes, also for their exoticism, which I always understood wouldn't be at all exotic were I in Russia or Ukraine. But for American or western men seeking brides I say. Beware, ladies. There's millions of available, often beautiful single women for these men in their own countries. They'd have no difficulty finding a beautiful American bride if love and family and respect and all the things they SAY they are looking for is actually true. By and large these men DO have problems and that's why they're going abroad, whatever they say. What kind of man would even WANT to be with someone who was 100% solely dependent upon him, not only financially, but socially. She'd have no friends, language, clubs, interests, family or ANYTHING. He'd be her sole source of entertainment. And that's a ridiculously unhappy life for both. Men, if you want a Russian gal, than find one that's ALREADY here, ALREADY speaks English, has her own interests, friends and career. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > I want to get married too!
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