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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > New rules of travelling to Russia. Migration cards. Author Post Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/12/2003 9:17:38 AM   hi to all our visitors. Since many of our customers are started planning their spring-summer tours to Russia, let me please give you some information on new rules. Looks like many foreigners are still unaware of it and get into troubles after getting here.So, here it goes. Beginning November 25. 2002 every foreign citizen arriving in Russia must complete a migration card while passing through customs. It consists of two sections and the top portion is immediately collected by the passport/visa control officials, while the bottom part is collected when the person leaves the country to return home. The official reasoning behind such "migration cards" was given by Vladimir Grachev, Head of the first interregional Visa and Registration Department at the Interior Department of Moscow's Central Administrative district where the first foreign citizens were obtaining their migration cards on Nov. 25. He said that the procedure would allow officials to count the number of foreigners who remained in Russia after their visas expired, in other words determine the number of illegal immigrants. According to Grachev, law-enforcement bodies will have the information on illegal migrants, because migration card contains all their provisional personal data: first and last name, date of birth, sex, passport number, citizenship, purpose of the visit, temporary residence in Russia, and the period of stay. Migration cards are numbered, but are printed and have no watermarks. In addition to the official version behind migration cards, it is important to know the changes this new document brings: 1. When entering Russia, foreign visitors will be asked about their inviting organization or travel agency. Those who travel on their own, need not forget that their visa is issued according to a specific travel agency's visa support. They need to make sure to name this company when asked. If information they provide does not match the official information on their visa, they risk being deported immediately. 2. They will also be asked how long they intend to spend in Russia - and may be asked to show a proof - return tickets, for example. Their migration card will then be stamped with a specific departure date according to this information! Even if the visa is good for a full 30 days, for example, and the migration card was issued for only 25 days, the person will need to leave Russia IN 25 DAYS or before the date on his or her migration card. This "Entry Interview" is going to be extremely important and may very well determine if the person is even admitted to visit Russia. Although this fundamentally changes the old virtually guaranteed admissions policy, this procedure now becomes very similar with the US INS policy on admissions where a US visa is not a guarantee of entry into the country and the decision is ultimately made by the INS officials at the port of entry. If you are not registered during three working days : You are illegal in Russia! gary496 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/13/2003 12:09:08 AM   Olga, I'm just curious, what happens if you are not registered in 3 working days and get caught? CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/13/2003 7:01:23 AM   You face deportation at your expense. No matter what your vise or tickets say. Regestration is a must!! Nothing to worry about normaly. Because if your Invitation was issued via a travel agency (or dating site) they normaly will handel regestration at OVIR for you if your staying at a Hotel or one of their apartments. If you staying on your own or at your girlfriends then yes you have to worry about it and you need to get an offical letter for the regestration OVIR office from the company that invited you showing the name of the person responsable for you and the exact address you will be satying. It's easyer than it sounds and its only about an hour of waiting in line fo do it. However it does have to get done. If your not cought during your stay, they will get you on leaving the country that you did not regester and they will make your departure lets say memerable..... So thats all their is to it. Your best bet... Saty in a hotel and let the agency or the Hotel Handle it for you..... CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/13/2003 1:19:48 PM   Sorry for the mis-spellings above. I was typing on the run from an Airport. You face deportation at your expense. No matter what your Visa or tickets are dated for. Registration is a must!! Nothing to worry about normally. Because if you’re Invitation was issued via a travel agency (or dating site) they normally will handle registration at OVIR for you if you’re staying at a Hotel or one of their apartments. If you staying on your own or at your girlfriends then yes you have to worry about it and you need to get an official letter for the registration OVIR office from the company that invited you showing the name of the person responsible for you and the exact address you will be staying. It's easier than it sounds and it’s only about an hour of waiting in line to do it. However it does have to get done. If your not caught during your stay, they will get you on leaving the country that you did not register and they will make your departure lets say memorable..... So that’s all there is to it. Your best bet. Stay in a hotel and let the agency or the Hotel Handle it for you. Just remember that if you don’t do it your illegal! They like you doing it on the first day. If you wait for the last day (the 3rd day) they tend to give you a hard time. It’s always scary traveling to another country. But one where you don’t know the language and they have so many regulations makes it frightening. However, many people will help you if you ask. And the Agency you use will keep you out of trouble. It’s a different way of thinking there. Be courteous, Leave the "I’m an American" frame of mind at home and blend in. Good Luck!! Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2003 2:40:49 PM   I have just recieved airline e-tickets to Russia. I can't remember if I read it on this forum, or somewhere else, but is it important to have paper tickets??? I suppose for immigration purposes you should have paper receipts to prove you visited Russian girlfriend??? CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2003 3:10:30 PM   Paper tickets are not important if you have an itinerary and you keep your boarding passes. Immigration does not care about your tickets to see you girl. What they want to see is photos of you two together and correspondence showing a relationship. Now, for entering the country if all you have at this point are tickets you still have allot to do. You need an invitation to get you visa from the Russian Embassy. You need the Visa to enter the country. Then you need the Itinerary and the info from you invitation for the migration card. At this point you will need the migration card to register in order to stay in the country past 3 days. So if you haven’t done all this, you still have allot to do. Good Luck!! Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2003 4:40:50 PM   I have everything except registar migration card - which hotel said they'd do, and of course photos together( she's rec. approx. 250 postmarked postcards over last several months, so plenty of proof of correspodence... thanks for your input... I just suddenly had feeling after printing out e-tickets that I should have gone thru travel agent to get paper tickets thanks! CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2003 6:10:03 PM   The Hotel cannot do your migration card. You must Get and do your migration card at your point of entry into Russia. This is where all the confusion is and where people are getting into trouble. DONOT leave the airport without doing a migration card. The local police are askinig to see it. The only thing the hotel can do for you is to Regester you. Please be sure to Not leave the Airport without your migration card. Have Fun! And Hope you found your future Wife.. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/21/2003 12:10:37 AM   Wednesday, Feb. 19, 2003. Page 3 Foreigners Advised to Stand Up to Police By Robin Munro Staff Writer Foreigners should be ready to stand up to police if they are hassled over the new migration cards, the deputy head of the Federal Migration Service said Tuesday. Mikhail Tyurkin was addressing a seminar on the law on foreigners, which made migration cards a requirement, in an attempt to clear up the confusion that has clouded their introduction. Tyurkin said that foreigners, when asked to present documents to police on the street, should comply politely and "look the officer in the eye. "You should tell them that they don't know the law if you entered Russia on a visa before Feb. 14, you are registered and don't have a migration card and they tell you that something is wrong with your papers," he said. "You can ask the police officer for his first and last name and date of birth and tell him that you will see that he is properly informed. If he refuses, then he is not a real police officer but only posing as one." Told the police have been checking papers to extract bribes, he said foreigners should not pay off the police and said he wanted to be told about such cases. "Just let me know who they are, and I will see that they are fired," he said. Migration cards were introduced at all Russian and Belarussian border points Friday. Foreigners without visas -- mainly those from the CIS -- are required to carry cards. Those with visas are required only to fill in the cards, have them stamped at the airport, and then surrender them on departure, Tyurkin said. "The main concern is citizens without visas," he said. Officials have contradicted one another on the registration of foreigners with multiple-entry visas. Tyurkin said they will have to register only once for the duration of their visas, while Nikolai Kurakov, the deputy head of Moscow's passport and visa department, said last week that they will have to reregister each time they enter Russia. Under the law, foreigners have to register each time they enter Russia. Various officials have said, however, that this will not be enforced and the law will be amended. Criticizing advertisements offering migration cards for 1,500 rubles ($63), Tyurkin said no one should pay a third party for a migration card because they are free of charge. Asked what foreigners who do not speak Russian should do if they are stopped, Tyurkin said all Moscow police speak English. This was greeted with laughter from the audience of about 150. Maryann Gashi-Butler, managing partner at Phoenix Law Associates, said foreigners should have someone whom they can contact should the police say their papers are not in order. "In addition to an element of pure opportunism at the police level, there appears to be genuine confusion among state agencies whether registration of foreigners is to occur centrally or locally," she said. People receiving migration cards on inbound aircraft are told to register the cards at their local passport and visa office, but those offices have refused to register them in the past week, she said. Alexander Yermolenko, legal adviser at audit and consulting firm FBK, told the seminar that the law on foreigners is ambiguous and filled with hurdles for employers. "It is difficult to imagine what kind of value a foreigner needs to offer an employer for the employer to be prepared to comply with the entire authorization process on the employee's behalf and deal with all the questions arising from the new legislation," he said. Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/21/2003 9:02:33 AM   Thanks Codered... I think when the hotel told me they were taking care of it, it was because they're providing that VIP service at airport, and so they mean they're going to take care of it for me at airport, but I have emailed them to confirm this. Again thanks for the help, and info. I am trying to make this trip as easy, an organized as possible Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/21/2003 9:12:57 AM   Codered? I may have sucker written all over my face, but I paid for that VIP services, because they say they whip you through customs in about 15 minutes, and take care of everything etc... being my first trip to Russia - I thought I should take advantage of it...in your opinion is it worth it? CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/21/2003 11:12:56 AM   Nope, you can whip customs in 2 mins..There really is no customs to do other than the migration cards. They cannot even enter the customs area. They cannot see you till you clear customs. Normally they will stand on the other side with a sign with you name on it. You’re the only one that can clear customs in any country. Customs is a secure area. Its very simple and nothing to worry about and people will help you. But they cannot go in there to do it for you. They cannot even get you luggage for you. You have to claim your luggage before customs. All they can do is pick you up and drive you off. Are they meeting you in Moscow? Because if your going through Moscow to another city you may find yourself changing airports on your own and them meeting you at the final destination. But, again only you can go through customs in any country. Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/21/2003 11:48:44 AM   thanks for the info. it is very helpful... no they're taking me to airport in Moscow... I'm very fam. with customs ( I went to graduate school in Venezuela, and worked in BsArs, Argentina several years)... but the way they presented to me at hotel was.. We will meet you at plane... I guess they meant airport...you will be whisked off, I was going to avoid delays hassles etc... maybe I misunderstood - I am following up anyway... basically take care of migration card at Airport!! thanks for your time! Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2003 10:39:22 AM   Article about travel visa http://www.msnbc.com/news/876621.asp?0dm=N16NR CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2003 1:10:39 PM   I read this article and its correct in some points. However its written by a Travel agecy trying to make you believe that they can speed up a process they have no control over. They state that the new process causes delays on issuing visas because they are stamped and no longer paper visa's. They are entirly wrong in that statement. The process for waiting for the visa has not changed and the visa is not really a stamp but a Visa certificate that is pasted and taking up one whole page in the passport. They also now attached a pretyped Migration card in the passport now so you dont have to do it at the airport. Its already done for you now. So the Article is wrong and out dated and also it uses scre tatics to make you think you cant do it without them. which in any situation if you bring in a 3rd party the process slows and can get confusing. Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2003 2:06:19 PM   codered Today I recieved the forms from immigration services for petition for Alien Fiance, and all the other forms, and they gave me step by step on what have her sign, what to bring back etc, etc..... what input/advice on trying to do this myself??? CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2003 3:03:10 PM   Pay extream attention to detail. leave nothing Blank put N/A if no answer. make sure you send originals of everything. and be patient. It will be a few months before you get any responses. If your in a hurry forget it. this can be a yearlong process. Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2003 3:07:30 PM   yah... I heard 8-12 months...THank you! mikey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/31/2004 10:55:47 AM   Here's an exciting situation: I came back to Russia from Finland, and the border guards did not take my old migration card or stamp my new one. Now when I leave the country, what do you suppose will happen? Think I can get away with it? mikey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/31/2004 10:55:57 AM   Here's an exciting situation: I came back to Russia from Finland, and the border guards did not take my old migration card or stamp my new one. Now when I leave the country, what do you suppose will happen? Think I can get away with it? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > New rules of travelling to Russia. Migration cards.
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