I started to write this post as a reply in the "fiance.com Custom Tours" thread but created a new listing for it. Review the Custom Tour's thread for background information.
Here's your big chance to prove that fiance.com is on the up and up. Give me your local Odessa affiliate/affilates contact info. I will meet with the agent/agents and arrange meetings with several ladies. I will happily pay the standard industry meeting fee of $15 to $25 per introduction.
I KNOW YO WILL DECLINE THIS OFFER and come back with some excuse!!! (or this post will probably be deleted from the message board).
None of the local, legitimate store-front agency professionals here in Odessa know who the mysterious "affiliates agencies" are that provide profiles for fiance.com, anastasiaweb, or amazing-women, etc.. Nor do any of these local agency professionals know any of the women.....Strange isn't it?
Furthermore, most of the women listed in Odessa's legitimate agency store-front operations have very few, if any of the same babes listed on the affiliate supplied websites ......hmmm...why could that be?? You would think these same ladies would occasionally stumble into the local store-front operations which are well known in the community?
Why can't any of the of the walk-in agencies that have to actually come-up with a body have so few really attractive women, where as these mysterious affiliates seem to be able to come-up with hundreds of aspiring super-models.......Gosh.....must just be a coincidence.....or maybe there's something about being a babe that naturally motivates these affiliate-listed women to be prolific letter writers?
Olga, if you are sincere in wanting to maintain the integrity of fiance.com you will welcome this opportunity to demonstrate that you "really do care." However, I expect you will want to cling to the same worn-out excuse of claiming ignorance as do the other previously mentioned dating networks.
After all, this is the game: Allow the affiliates to do all the dirty work until the flak gets too bad, then profess ignorance to their dealings. You can then proudly proclaim that you have "cracked-down" on the affiliate in your on-going effort to prevent fraud (and credit-card charge-backs as well).
buffed, stop giving false statements. write to email@example.com, we will give you list with phoens and addreses, go and do agency verifications for us in Odessa. before any agency is accepted to the site we get owners information, agreements and so on. even after verification we have to close agencies who do not follow our rules. actually we do not care about agencies. agency get very little compensation from working on the site. agency/agenct can abe aone person with computer who put his clinets on the site , clinest who do not have internet. Do not write to agency girls, write to girls with individual emails. we do crack down bad agents, agencies. we have worked before with internet fraud dpeartment of police in russia, and helped them to catch scammers. If you do not like our system, do not use the web site. fiance.com normal dating site for you. forget about agencies. use site's tools to determine who is legit who is not, you can even ask customer service for help. but even 100 verified, background check person can lie to another person on any web site. what are you trying to prove here? we are here to help our members. you are in odessa and what?
If any of you are writing Julia 60906 you'll appreciate knowing she has no idea her profile is listed on fiance.com I was in the office of another affiliate yesterday taling to the owner who recognized her photo. The affiliate knew her well and had listed her until she asked to be removed. The affiliate then called Julia 60906 because she wanted to re-list her. However, Julia was shocked to learn her profile was being listed on fiance.com
Maybe I'm being slow but what are you trying to explain, she has not registered with an agency or she has registered with one agency but another agency has stolen her profile and pasted it to fiance.com or she has registered with fiance.com's affiliate but did not authorise that her profile go 'global' on fiance.com?
buffed, I can tell you're the biggest loser who ever wrote on this board. You went to Odessa to launch an investigation to flush out all the scammers and the skunks (!) you're so out of ideas how to use your own time in a less pathetic way? On the other hand, I hate to discourage you since it has been quite an entertainment to read your Inspector Clouseau escapades in Odessa. I give it to you you've proven that you can indeed make a deep hole on the surface of a big bucket full of water, so go on and keep us all posted, anxious to read about your next big discovery.
Please note that I never engage in personal attacks, otherwise known as flaming. Proper forum edicate is to not write anything you wouldn't say to someone in-person. As you know, I am currently in Odessa. If you happen to be in Ukraine or were to visit Ukraine soon I will gladly meet with you and you can feel free to make whatever derogatory comments you like....in fact, I would be delighted.
Your interpretation of my stay here in Odessa is completely wrong. I'm certainly not here with the express intent of exposing fraud. The reality is that it is nearly impossible to locate the ladies listed on the mafor network sites in the flesh. I'm only reporting what I've encountered while visiting agencies and attempting to arrange meetings with ladies prominently featured on well-known websites. Others may correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think knowing if the ladies they are writing really exist would be of some interest.
She was once listed with the affiliate who I was in the office looking at profiles. The affiliate was browsing some of the new fiance.com listings and saw her profile. She called her because the lady had asked her to remove her listing a year ago from other websites because she was no longer interested. The affiliate wanted to re-list her if she had changed her mind. She hadn't, and it was news to her to learn that she had once again been listed.
(The reality is that it is nearly impossible to locate the ladies listed on the mafor network sites in the flesh)
Buffed, please understand that as soon as a lady, a product so to speak, becomes available on the marketplace then, if she meets the popular criteria, she is likely to have a lot of demand and within a few days of having her profile posted she could already be involved in correspondence with guys thus she may already be off the market.
Now Miss X is not likely to wait just in case 'Buffed', on his trip to Ukraine, should decide to take an belated interest in her profile nor, perhaps having paid for maybe 6 months of listing, is she likely to ask that her profile be removed as soon as she starts writing to guy(s). She's likely to do the same as any guy would do, she's paid for it thus she's going to get her money's worth and have some guys in reserve bearing in mind that 95% of the guys that write letters will never travel to FSU.
Buffed, one needs to be quick off the mark, as soon as a lady posts her profile one needs to get in there quick and by perhaps the 3rd letter be suggesting that he travels to FSU for a meeting and within perhaps 2 months. If one can't do this then one needs to accept that it is nearly impossible to meet with the ladies listed.
buffed, I admit you managed to intimidate me with your remarks, so there you go I crossed Odessa off my map, I promise I will never set foot in that city to eliminate the slimmest chance that I might come across the might and wrath of the buffed-:) As I said, please keep wasting your time and money and keep posting your nonesense though wildly entertaining discoveries.
P.S. nothing can beat the entertaining value of a good old reality show like the one you're putting on here. Please provide more and juicier details in your next rounds.
In response to Olga's instructions, a letter was submitted to fiance.com management which detailed the Odessa profiles along with those from other cities for which I was requesting affiliate contact information. As of 6/30/06 fiance.com has not responded.
A chargeback totaling $104 was issued against yeva4u.com for sending fraudent letters. Some of the many highlights of my in-box on yeva4u included: an intro letter from a woman I dated for two months last fall and one from a Sumy woman I brought to Sevastopol along with her mother and spent three days visiting.
Two recent incidents have occurred where I have received intro letters on another site who had sent decline letters on fiance.com These are curently being researched by the other site and the results should be rather amusing. (as well as rewarding).
avoid any girls for Surgey's marriage agency in Nickyolaev, he is a massive scammer who typically finds girls for anastasia and likely this site... all the dating sites share girls and pay the other sites to use their women on their site. To foreign dating sites women's profiles are a commodity that can be bought and sold with or without the consent or knowledge of the women.
I recently received letters from the girl you mention. So, you say, someone at some ageny told you they had that girl listed and she asked to remove her profile... Then, that person called her and corroborated that the girl ignored she was listed in fiance.com... isn't it?
Well, I you haven't met the girl personally, how do you know that agency is telling you the truth? How do you know they actually called the same girl we are talking about? Do you give 100% credibility to that person?
I appreciate your question about the person's credibility. As a disclaimer, I did not personally did not listen in on the phone and as a rule there aren't many people other than my parents I would assign 100% credibility too. All I can say for certain is that I was in the *affiliate's office. We were reviewing profiles on fiance.com and she was surprised to see the above referenced lady listed. According to the affiliate, the women had changed her mind on meeting a foreign man and asked that the affiliate remove her profile. The affiliate was interested in re-listing her so she called on-the-spot. The woman informed her that she had no idea her profile was listed with any agency and still had no interest in meeting a foreign man.
*anastasiaweb issues barbaric fines to affiliates as I've learned so I will avoid disclosing the name. Recently, I met, a very nice, sweet, honest, owner of a small affiliate office in another city, who was issued a $500 fine that nearly wiped her out for accidently sending a letter 2 weeks late. She was in tears and I felt terrible for her.
Olga, thanks for the note but it's too little, too late. I've long since left Odessa.
I do ask you because I perfecly know that it is not unusual in sales bussiness to simulate a phone call in front of the potential costumer to make a point or even to close a deal. I worked on some american company that used that system as standard. It is very easy to do.
I am not saying that the affiliate would cheat on that. It seems the affiliate let you quite convinced about this matter. I just saying that it would be possible...
I'd have to agree that fiance.com represents one of the more reliable large correspondence sites. (From my experience, as I have no specific examples of duplicity.)
However, realize that "scammers" come in all flavors. The blatant "non-existent" girls you can spot fairly easily by their scamming characteristics which I will not go into here. However, assuming correspondence at a fairly legitimate site with little fishing, etc., the "social correspondent" will represent your largest waist of time, money and effort, because you simply cannot filter them out. Some will correspond for a few months, and then disappear. Others will correspond with you up till the day of your trip, but when you arrive in their city they suddenly lose interest. You are now "real", and they have decided not to see you. At least they only changed their minds. Then the ones that do date you will do so primarily out of curiosity, with no real intent in leaving their homeland to live in a foreign country. One can burn up a lot of time and money on them, so best to find out as soon as possible their veracity, honesty and true intent.
After you have sorted through all these girls, you have left the few really interested in marrying a foreigner who will date you. Now you have just the normal problem of falling in love and convincing her to marry you! :)
Through years of attempts, I have found the final success an elusive task indeed! But, I have not yet given up, just hopefully grown a little wiser.
Hi, I started the original "Fiance.com Custom Tours" message thread.
I have another problem. If you review that message was posted by me when I inquired about traveling to see these 2 women. The 1 asked that I not write to her again, and the 2nd quit writing to me. (Just as I was to go and visit them.)
So now the same thing again happens, except this time with a twist. I am writing 2 other women. I ask for their phone number explaining that I want to start to plan on making a trip to see them. So the first replys back asking, "Is it ok if I call you?" Sure so I send her my phone number, and address. HER AGENCY CALLS ME DIRECTING ME TO CORRESPOND WITH HER THROUGH THEM! OK So I tried sending her messages in that fashon, and she hasn't replied back to the several messages I sent to her. And like before the 2nd woman quit writing to me. I am going to cancel my membership because I have not been having any success. But first I am going to write to all the women who quit writing to me and ask why did they? I will ask what is their intension.
My thanks to the administration at fiance.com They spent some time putting together a list of local affiliates as I had earlier requested and I respect the effort. I made an unexpected trip back to Odessa so it may be of use. I lot of things are happening regarding the local affiliates who supply the profiles as detailed earlier in this thread. Events are still un-folding so it is to soon for any conclusions.
One interesting case: Earlier this year I wrote an Odessa woman through fiance.com and received a rejection letter a few days later. Shortly there afer the profile was pulled from fiance.com One month ago I received an introduction letter from the same woman through amazing-women The same affiliate supposedly listed the profile with each site. As you can understand, I inquired as to what was going on with amazing-women before replying. After I did reply, I received a response from the "woman" saying that she was now too distraught about my inquiry. She "could never get over it" so she couldn't correspond further. Also, "she prefers to write lots of letters" before meeting. A nearly identical situation just happened with another profile last week regarding a woman from Russia.
Good to see you on this thread since your original post steered into this subject. Try and get the phone number of the girl and the affiliate. What city is she listing as a residence?
Here it is in a nutshell regarding at least two affiliates in Odessa. The picture is murky and it's difficult to get accurate answers through the all the duplicity. At least one or more agencies in Nikolaev may be share some of the operating procedures listed below.
The one thing visitors to these affiliates offices will be struck by is the number of computer terminals with translators feverishly spewing out letters in contrast to few if any woman actually visiting the agency for this correspondence. There is also very little phone conversation. In one small Nikolaev office, there are ten full-time translators busily typing away on correspondence. During two, hour long visits to the office, only one member arrived. The same was observed in Odessa.
In a somewhat unrelated matter I observed one worker using Photoshop to paste-in the photo of another woman. It was a passport photo being altered. The passport was up on the screen in the office and the person was re-sizing and pasting in another woman's photo.
The following applies to many (most of the beautiful ones) but NOT all:
1.) Many of the women in certain affiliate offices receive compensation for listing their profiles. Compensation is paid for every letter received and sent by the agency.
2.) Most of the attractive ladies never read or write their letters. The letters are written for them and if they are ever called upon to meet with them in-person they will review the correspondence prior to the meeting.
3.) In regard to the meeting, some who are being compensated will actually do so. For these women, it is likely they receive further compensation as a percentage of the translation fee. The agency charges $15 an hour. Interstingly, there are three entities involved: The woman, the translator, the agency. Do the math: $5+$5+$5= $15
In respect to fiance.com it appears they do make an effort to limit their involvement with these affiliates. The affiliates in question are no longer associated with this site.
Given the tremendous labor force involved in the correspondence scam industry it is also likely that these boards are monitored. So a vicious reactionary post may be likely.