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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > AIDS in Russia Author Post geriatrix Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 1:36:37 AM   How common is it? tjpilot Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 8:40:19 AM   AIDS In Russia 'Scarier Than Africa' MOSCOW (Reuters) - AIDS is soon to ravage Russia with consequences that may be even more catastrophic than in Africa, yet the public is barely even aware the epidemic has arrived, Russia's top AIDS official said. After decades of little contact with the disease, Russia and Ukraine have suddenly been caught unprepared in the throes of the world's fastest growing epidemic of the HIV virus. Of Russia's 180,000 officially registered infections, 100,000 occurred just last year. Experts guess the actual number of Russian cases is as high as one million, more than one percent of adults. "Every year, we see the number of new cases doubling. If this continues even two or three more years, we will see not one percent, but two, four, eight," Vadim Pokrovsky, head of the Russia's official AIDS centre, said in an interview. Because infected people do not immediately fall ill and require treatment the disease is still all but invisible, spreading before the public has a chance to see its effects. Copyright © 2002 Reuters Limited. tjpilot Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 8:43:05 AM   Considering those figures are 4 years old.....you do the math....scary! Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 3:32:26 PM   There is no Aids epidemic in Russia, Ukraine or anywhere else in the world. This is an activist banner disease that gets all the press and attention while other diseases such as TB, Malaria, and Cancer get ignored. Aids is an empidemic among Gay and Intravenous drug user populations. The stats of invected are minuscule in regards to the heterosexual and non-drug users. Remember when Aids first hit the big press in the late 80's. According to the future epidemic stats they screamed about back then our world would be 50% invected by the year 200o if a cure could not be found. Currently 1% are invected. It's all about the money and politics people! Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2006 7:14:46 AM   Deano, with all respect, and absolutely no pun or jokes whatsoever, you're talking dangerous nonsense. The reason why I've decided to react on your above post is that it exists already for some days, without any reactions. But also, and quite a bit more important, because of the fact that this disease is very real! It is alive and kicking, and lethal, it ends all, one dies from it. I'm not going to fish for stats but live in THE part most affected, Africa - which is very much part of also your world Deano. HIV-infection rates (for entire countries!!) of around 30% according to official statistics released, but often indicated to be quite a bit higher according to medical staff. An HIV-positive status will invariably lead to Aids, the main problem being the incubation time which can span up to 10 years even, but 2 to 3 years is more normal. The promiscuous nature of the population infected, which is very heterosexual and not limited to gay or addicts only, is the basic problem, aggrevated by the resistance to use condoms (which cost money too) plus the fact that the main truck-route going North/South is an assurance of the fast spread of the various strains, a complication in itself. If you think this disease is a mere activist banner then fine, plenty do across the globe, but if you'd live here you would not. However, I'd ask myself why the UN pays stacks of money (i.e. most of YOU pay) for the broad-scale free(!) distribution of Anti-Retrovirals (new anti virus drugs, the best there currently is) if this disease would be fiction only. This disease is real Deano, and your opinion as above is dangerous. It already has taken on pandemic proportions and frantic attempts are made internationally to stop it spreading. Stop it spreading only, yes, because there is no cure. Bear in mind the global travel & tourists and realize that the spread is fast, instantaneous, and indeed Russia too was affected already looong ago, you'll find it anywhere. I've lost staff to this disease and will continue to do so, at a rate which grows alarmingly fast. Enter Botswana by road and see the biggest billboards in the country warning against HIV/Aids and against having unprotected sex. In Zambia by law an employer has to financially aid with the funeral of their staff, and this turns out to be a serious burden for them. However the inability to replace their trained staff by new ones is the most serious one (please let that one sink in). If my information is correct then Namibia has the highest infection rates, but Zimbabwe and South Africa are not that far off. Contrary to your normal posts the above one is ill-informed Deano, pls do some surfing. Having unprotected sex with anyone other than your regular partner is playing russian roulette, and no, that's not only here - in Russia too. Basically anywhere, unless you're fond of Russian Roulette. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2006 12:41:06 PM   I fully agree with Deano, the effect is limited among certain population groups. The disease is spreading outside these groups among stupid people who don't use basic prophylaxis. In the same manner, many other venereal diseases can spread if people stick their peanut wherever they see an opening. If you warn people and people still decide not to use prophylaxis, then those people deserve their destiny. It is similar to smoking habits in Europe or obesity related diseases in the U.S. Information is out there in front of your eyes. If you choose to ignore it, then you very well deserve the consequences. The sad thing is that we have to pay for the irresponsibility of others. Now that is something that needs to be fixed. geriatrix Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2006 5:01:02 AM   Unfortunately, wtrav02, the promiscuous partner gives the disease to the non-promiscuous... Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2006 8:05:51 AM   ... which, quite often if not always, may be called the faithful one. Of all your one-liners this one stands out Lunatix, for THAT is the key to this pandemic, not gays or junkies. If one shooses to ignore the existence of this pandemic, like apparently some do, then it will live happily ever after. Wtrav, cost-wise(yours) it goes worse, the Aids-Orphans. The placenta apparently is a good barrier preventing infection but the birth itself is the opposite. Pregnant women are put on - again free - AR's if(!) they consult a doctor, but whole suburbs are born, infected or not, whilst the mother dies. These are taken care of by the local community, however paid for by the world's. A local slogan is 'HIV loves skin on skin' as part of the 'Condomize!' campaign (again subsidized), and concurrent the Women's Lib is trying to reduce the rape-stat's (do some homework, you'll not believe the numbers) for women traditionally have little say in this culture, they are simply used. Sure, condoms are free, but a 'real man' does not use them, let alone a rapist. Prostitution is abundant, dirt-cheap and starts scarily young, and now combine this with tourism, and with foreign contract workers (very often married), and with airtraffic, and and and...... everyone's affected, globally, best face it. Oh, there's one small glitch is all this, the detection. Aids-victims die of influenza, pneumonia, a cough, foodpoisonig, a cold, think of something silly and you've got the cause of death - as mentioned on the certificate hence an input for the kept stats. A proper test is expensive and requires specialized equipment, and has to be done again if positive - hence costs time & money. In short every 'simple' death has to be properly examined, at cost - in what countries is this done you think? Probably the organized wealthy one's and the notoriously affected & subsidized poor one's, and I think we'll agree that Russia is neither... yet, hopefully. skiired Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2006 9:20:04 AM   ahh TD, referring to our locked out post, yes.. life had changed... for the better?? will see all too soon.. Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2006 2:27:19 AM   Again I stand by what I know around me. Perhaps I'm a fool regarding this but in my world I know of only one person with HIV. This is including everyone I know personally and all their friends and families. What I'm saying is I don't even have a friend who has a friend who has HIV. Get my drift? But I see plenty on the TV and during election time. So, if your stat of 30% infection rate were accurate then one in three people are invected. Take even half of that number out of the equation for people infected but don't know it. That still leaves a lot of people around me that should have AIDS and I should hear about it from time to time. I don't. This is not the only disease that kills. Is it real? Yes! Take precautions to protect yourself? Yes! Pandemic. Nope! geriatrix Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2006 8:51:07 AM   "... ... which, quite often if not always, may be called the faithful one. Of all your one-liners this one stands out Lunatix, for THAT is the key to this pandemic, not gays or junkies. If one shooses to ignore the existence of this pandemic, like apparently some do, then it will live happily ever after. ..." I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that it is not always a self-inflicted disease, that only hits people who have "asked for it". -call me Lunatix if you want... It doen't change the harsh realities! Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2006 1:17:44 PM   Loony Ticks, I just called you "Lunatix" because of your, shall I say - typical - one-liners , sometimesstrungtogether, whilst they merely display a shall we say - overly curious - passive aged bored pasting reading spectator. PS: Get me driff me Tsaina? Deano, no, not your environment but the environment here. 1 out of 3 is conservative even, in some locations (I know of one airbase confirmed) the figure of 'positive' is almost 50% (47) - that is 1 out of 2, HALF. Only time will develop this into full-blown Aids, and no, that is not pessimistic but plain reality. In my opinion (mind, mine only) the distribution of AR's will not help at all, it only will drag the situation out into time, however with a huge risk - the strains battled, which vary per region, run the risk of becoming resistant against these drugs as a result of irregular intermittant use hence could become more effective if not agressive. I know that your environment has way less known cases, but please realize two things: - they're there already (enough I'd say), and - you guys (on average) hardly ever test, hence the statistics on which the known figures are based on comes from a small part of the population. The problem lies in the long 'lead-time' after infection, one only starts developing something after a while - and even then a doctor has to look for this disease, an aimed test, which is not done for something silly, a cold or flu for instance. Realize that one's immune-system is affected, torn down gradually, hence anything going or seasonal will likely affect - INfect - you. Deano, don't answer me, but do you KNOW you do not have it, i.e. have you been tested for HIV in the last 3 months? If 'yes' then the bad news is that you still cannot be sure because one needs to have a certain 'count' to be diagnosed reliably, and that means that when tested 'now' and the result is 'clean' you still cannot be 'sure' - you'll have to repeat the test several times, over time, to be really sure. But then also be sure that you have no unprotected sex (with ANYone!) or have no blood-transfusions or injections of whatever kind or could be infected in any other way during that time - you're with me Deano? Impossible really so one never knows or is sure. I've been tested several times hence still am not sure. Why Africa the hotseat? Dunno, rumours aplenty, even the one that it is a man-made disease (go figure, that was a success then). But the virus is found in some primates too (which have turned out to be immune to it), and these are eaten in Central Africa. If only for that reason I'l never even try this meat, and I've eaten silly things already. Whatever its origin, the exceptionally promiscuous behaviour of the population (aided by the lack of knowledge and funds for using condoms), aggrevated by poor socio-economics, has caused this disease to spread like a fanned wildfire. Fyi, insurance companies (here) have made HIV-tests mandatory, and the result of these you do not necessarily see or hear. Legislation has been incorporated into even the Constitution, aiming to protect the individual but clashing with normal (insurance-)business or social practise. Difficult in all however very real. You may have your opinion but I know it is absolutely a Pandemic here, now, and it has spread ominously fast, for years already, and it has done so globally - which makes it part of your world too, irrespective of where you live. You say you don't know of any cases - just keep it that way Deano, for they're there and their numbers are growing. Beyond a shadow of a doubt in Russia too, and going there and having unprotected sex is something I won't do. Call me a coward if you like, but I LIKE life, for just a bonk I won't sacrifice it. geriatrix Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/28/2006 12:00:05 AM   The headline was "AIDS in Russia", however, Estonia is quickly nearing Russian statistics. -Particularly since the country joined the EU and became the "favourite" charter flight destination for "stag-nites", sex-tourism, etc. geriatrix Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/28/2006 12:03:04 AM   -since I raised the question, I have, myself, become aware of references to the subject in news, Internet, etc. The news are not good! geriatrix Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/28/2006 12:05:00 AM   "... PS: Get me driff me Tsaina? ...." ??? That part went over my head! harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/7/2007 11:08:58 PM   I know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd put in my two cents worth. Upon reading the CDC statistics, I am absolutely convinced that blanket use of the term "epidemic" is a reckless use of the term. While the CDC only reports on US cases, one might suspect that you would find similar patterns in the occurence rate of AIDS in foreign populations, although who really knows how accurate they might be. Based upon statistics released by the CDC in January 2007 (for the most recent year available, 2005), there were 28,037 new diagnoses in men and 9,893 in women, even though women out number men in the U.S. population. 84% of all new cases in men can be attributed to homosexual activity or IV drug use, or both. Heterosexual contact accounted for 15% of new cases. 80% of all new cases in women can be attributed to heterosexual contact, 19% to IV drugs. 49% of all new cases were among African American, 31% among whites. California exceeds New York in new cases by almost 25%, even though they have similar populations. New Hampshire has substantially fewer cases in proportion to its population than any other state. What can we conclude ? If you're a black male, homosexual, IV drug user living in New York City, "epidemic" is an appropriate use of the word. If you're a white homosexual female, non-drug user, living in New Hampshire, screaming "epidemic" seems pretty irresponsible. Everyone else seems to lie somewhere in the middle of those two extremes. It seems that caution, when using the term "epidemic" is in order. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 10:57:10 AM   Harantis I live in Tanzania and 1 in 6 people are HIV positive. Think what that implies for the adult population. The main difference in Eastern Europe is that hygene is much better generally than in Africa. It is rare even to see normal houses with running water in Tanzania. Therefore there is a lot of general diseases and especially skin diseases that make transmission of the disease more prevalent. Thats not to mention that many are very promiscuous. Dont take your presumption of normality to extend outside your borders because it doesnt. harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 6:10:55 PM   Gemini, Your point about "normality" on a geographic basis is well taken. Indeed, with an infection rate of 1 in 6 in Tanzania it certainly sounds like use of the word "epidemic" is rather appropriate, particularly when compared to the US where the infection rate is only about 1 in 500. But I hope you'll acknowledge that my post does acknowledge that geographic factors (among others) are significant considerations when using the word "epidemic." Thanks. The information you provided about Tanzania provides further support for my assertion that blanket use of the term "epidemic" is indeed somewhat reckless. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2007 7:13:05 AM   Yep kind of like the stupidity here in the States in Texas for innoculating young girls for HPV and making in a requirement what idiocy. Epidemic is the knee jerk buzz word for we have to control your life not you. Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2007 3:30:48 PM   Nas. The HPV innoculation will virtually eliminate cervical cancer (a big killer). They did the same thing with polio about 50 years ago, surely that wasnt a mistake. Some people need a push to do the right thing and that benifits everyone. 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