Ok fellers, here's my situation:
I'm writing to a few girls in Ukraine. They all show "Is this girl independent? No, with agency e-mail", suggesting they are with agencies, like marriage agencies. I've insisted on talking to them over the phone, and talked to one on an agreed time, but suspect, that it wasn't her home phone number, because when I called there again, someone answered, and when I asked for her, there was nothing but silence. I also suspect I didn't talk to her, because she is at "English level 2", but the girl I spoke with was able to carry a conversation in English. But, if it's not about romance, then what is it about? Renting furnished apartments or what? Does this sound solid enough to take on travel, or just do with the latest Playboy?
Did you talk to this lady on your own or via a conference call placed thru fiance.com?
Sometimes agency girls who do not have a home phone number use the office number of the agency for conference calls and etc. She also could go to a friend's house who has a landline installed and talk to you. Using their cell phones may be a bit expensive because international incoming calls can cost a bit in Ukraine.
If you have some questions about a certain lady - please email at admin@fiance.com and we will deal with it shortly.
Best regards,
That's what I have been told by several agencies from Ukraine. It could have been changed by the mobile system companies so there is no charge for incoming calls or it could be different for various air-time service plans (like in Russia before July 1st, 2006, some cell phone companies charged for incoming calls, some didn't, other's charged only on specific service plans. Now there is a law stating that from July 1st, 2006 absolutely all incoming calls to cell phones are free.
It's very nice to hear that Ukraine has introduced this system even earlier.
Best regards,
No, Nadya, it wasn't a conference call, but it was like an appointment. It wasn't like call me anyday between 6 pm and 9 pm. It was: Call me at 2 pm on Sunday. Also, for an English level 2, she spoke very good English.
JoBlo,
What are the location of girls?
I am in Lugansk now... can meet one of them if she's here too.
By the way... beware of new scam.
Girls are writing to you... never ask money for anything... When you came she meets you at the airport and place to $50 per night apartment... When you pay the price, you never see her again.
Alex
Oh heres a word of advice. If you go to Ukraine and do a background check on the girl beforehand using a detective etc., never tell the girl, you ran a back ground check on her first before coming to meet her ( if she is the real deal )..it is a sure fire way for the girl to dump you because Ukraine girls will "crack the poohs" with you big time and will not understand why you checked her out..they will se it as "YOU!..you never trusted me so how can I trust you now" and they will storm out on you and you will probably not see them again as to them "a background check implies you never trusted them"...love and trust is a big deal for them and they will storm over things what we regard as trivial..they can be very much hotheads.
Ive had ICQ chats with guys who blew it..Ukraine girls react very negatively if they find out you ahve checked them out on the QT.
Also if you are going to see more than one girl over there, never tell any of the girls that "you are playing the field to pick the best one"..they want to feel that they are "your one and only" so you never let on that you plan to see other girls or have back-up plans because once again, they will react negatively to you....much like most women!
I am writing to 3 women in the city of Kharkov, As far as I know they have no idea that I am writing to more than one. I understand why they should not know about each other, how do I accomplish this? What if they belong to the same local agency? I have met them through an agency based in the USA
Hmmm... this seems to be a problem specially for a guy from the USA. He spends a bundle of $$ to fly & stay in the Eastern Europe to meet only that one girl? Now I might could understand that once a decision had been made to land just the one. However we all know the girls write to many guys, those girls aren't the dumb blonde character and it doesn't take a scientist to understand we guys are writing to other girls as well. Besides if she is gonna be an emotional hothead I want to know BEFORE I commit. I have been writing to several girls now some for up to 4 months some have asked me when I might come to visit some have not, one asked to exchange phone # on 2nd email, she is history. I have begun tellingt the girls that I am planning a trip there sometime during the first quarter of 2007 as business allows. I've had no complaints and no one has ever asked for money or mentioned that they are in love with me, only that they hope to find love.
I read these forums sometimes and appreciate the tips you all offer. Yes there are some girls I will checck out before commiting to meeting them, others have shown me they are genuine. One needs to stop, see each email as it is using the good common sense GOD gave us.
I called a girl in the Ukraine 1 time (a girl I eveentually met) and the first call was to the agency she was with. Now she used a translator for that call. On her profile it said that her english was level 1. Now you must understand, these are self assessments of ther english, it not like a national grading system. Later she gave me her mobile and sometimes we would sms each other, and she always understood me. I then called her on her mobile and we had a conversation. Her english was not level 10 but we easily had a conversation. Now she was a level 1 remember. All this and I meet her and found her to be true and honest. Nothing eventuated between us but all in all an honest person but we were not for each other. Now while I was there, I met another girl and her english was perfect. Easily level 10. Well spoken, well writen. She was a teacher of Ukraine language and was also a teacher of english. She had reached this level at uni but did not have the creditaion to teach english in a school. Now things did not work out with her either (my fault really) but I now see she is on this site and has put herslef at level 6. Maybe she was told level 10 may be intimidating or something, do not know be her english is perfect. Am not saying it applies to your situation, but these levels really mean very little in the real world
I have been to the Ukraine many times. In fact now when I am not working I live in Kiev and enjoy Odessa in the summer. Both are wonderful and I guess there are many other towns and cities with great attractions. I became interested in the Ukraine after writing to a girl from Odessa. We wrote for a while and then it stopped but I decided to visit Odessa based on what she said. I stopped off first in Kiev and met a 19yo girl who was very friendly. I met her from an introduction website and not thru an agency. She was fun and I spent a couple of days with her.
I then went to Odessa. I had what I thought was a hot girl to meet in Nickolayev but after knocking on her mothers door got to find out this girl had moved and that I was caught in an internet joke. So went back to Odessa and phoned the girl that I originally corresponded with. We met next night with a friend who could speak good English. We had dinner and although she could speak English it was very basic. When she said that she needed to rush off to help her mum clean the apartment and that she was very busy with her job to go out again I got the message. I SMSed my new friend from Kiev and she came to Odessa for a few days. Walked around town, went to the 7 km market (well worth the visit) and the variety was huge and the value great. Then went to Arcadia for a nice meal and nightclubbing. Had a ball!
My new friend had to leave and I decided to try another contact I had made. This one was around 30 and had a kid. She was from an agency. I had to pay the agency for the meeting then had to put up with a very annoying interpreter for the evening as her English is poor. By the end of the evening I was pretty tired of the whole circus. We said our goodbyes and agreed to meet next day without the interpreter. Next day got stood up so decided to cut short Odessa and return to Kiev.
Met with my friend again for a couple of days then went home. Enjoyed myself, learned some of the ropes and decided I would return. On all occasions I stayed in apartments and was very satisfied with this arrangement. I have yet to stay in a hotel there.
My conclusions were that girls with poor English are hard work. Its pretty hard to be interested or romantic when you are working thru a 3rd person. Agencies are even worse. Their objective is to part you with as much money as possible and they do that by making real contact as difficult as possible between you and the girl. Dont bother. If a girl asks for money dont send any. There are plenty of online translators if you want to communicate directly and they are free! If she is of real interest go there and meet her. Spend the money you would give her on the travel and have a holiday! A couple of times I have sent small amounts of money when I havent wanted to visit a remote town and test the girl out. I always been dissappointed.
If you decide to go always have a few backups to meet. I suggest at leat 10. Meeting women there is not much different to anywhere but my experience is that when you get there 50% are away or wont meet you, 35% you wont like or they wont like you and 15% you will get on great with. Correspondance is a great into but a real meeting is the true test.
I decided to return. I kept in touch with the girl I had been dating but she seemed to be losing interest. I stumbled on a Russian language website and was intruiged. At first I used a web page translator but soon researched cyrlic, learnt the alphabet and started to work out the words, especially the key criteria. I then found a number of good sites and the great thing is they are all free! Either they have email addresses or they allow direct contact on the sites. They usually state what languages the girls know so I selected girls that were of interest and that speak English. No Agencies and girls who are genuinely seeking partners, no scammers! I contacted a lot, didnt try too much correspondance as I was heading back. Got positive responses from about 10% of girls contacted.
Went back to Kiev spent 2 days with the old girlfriend before she gave me the boot. Started working through the list. It was a blend of girls who wanted a good time and those after a serious relationship. Met about 3, had some fun and then met a girl who I really hit it off with. I have been seeing her ever since. We have a great relationship. She is studying and so doest want to move until she has finished. There is a bit of an age difference and I am not sure what impact that will have in the future but in the meantime we are having a ball. I like the lifestyle in Kiev, it is very cosmopolitan. I walk almost everywhere but the metro and busses are cheap. The food is expensive if you dine in restraunts but the food halls and local diners are very reasonable. Some people can now even understand my Russian but there are plenty of English speakers there. Otherwise just point. I go to Odessa every summer. I think it is great and lots of fun.
Go to the Ukraine it is a great place to visit, it is very cheap compared to Western Europe. Avoid agencies and girls with poor English. Check out the Russian language introduction sites and finally I have never seen so many stunning looking women anywhere. You cant help but to have a great time!
qwerty102
The best way tomeet girls in Russia is to get your butt on a plane and take a tour and plan to stay at least a month or more. Putting all your eggs in one basket is not very smart. So many times the photo you receive from the lady is very good and maybe better than in person.
I am going to Kiev on Sept 3. This will be my third trip there. I began browsing the sites in mid 2004 and registered on a few. I was getting tons of Bios sent to me but to respond to any would cost money. So I waited and kept looking at each bio which was sent and finally found one that I felt sounded sincere. I wrote that woman and only her. I wrote to her for 6 months, after the first three months she gave me her phone number and by her request we ditched the agency soon thereafter.
Theres a funny story behind that. She had invitd me to Kiev in early 2005. I began to plan out my trip and the agency was "nice" enough to assist with the planning and hire a translator for the trip and arrange for an apartment. Irina quickly called me and warned me that Agency was just trying to get money by helping me and that we should not deal with agency anymore. She planned an elaborate rouse to break ties with the agency, because she did not want any trouble with them.She had me write to her through the agency stating that I was no longer interested in her and that I do not want to hear from her again. She said when she revieved the letter she would appear heart broken and suprised. Ever since then we have been communicating via her private e mail.
Her actions right there proved to me that she was sincere about this and not just a scam artist. I went to Kiev and April of that year and had a great time with her. I went back to kiev Last January and am going back in the beginning of september. She has her Interview at the embassy in september, which I will be there for. She is a great woman and I am very happy with her. She does have a bit of a temper, but Ive heard that many russian and ukrainian women have tempers. Its nothing I cant handle. I call her my tiger, she seems to like that nickname.
On my first trip there I did go to Kremenchug to meet her parents. The bus ride there was very pleasant. Much better than any greyhound bus ride here in the US. They serve drinks and play movies and have a "stewardess" I was very impressed. If you go to meet the family I suggest you bring gifts.
Im very happy with Irina and consider myself lucky. She was the first and only girl I wrote to. I know by only writing to her I may have missed out on some other "quality" women but she had everything I was looking for and has worked out great.
If you go to Kiev be sure to go to a Pub called "O'briens".