What is wrong with these ladies that always lie about their age? Nelli was born in "66, not "69. This would make her 40 and not 37. I know, I dated her for about a week in the fall of 2005 in Kherson. I went bearing many gifts and I was a perfect gentleman and after a week of dining, shopping and full time translator, besides asking for things like a cell phone, all she would do is shake your hand at the end of the date. Not even a hug.(Get your mind out of the gutter,I wasn't asking for much, just a little encouragemen or appreciation) You would think she would have the decency to tell you she was not interested. Very cold lady, so was her child. Threw her a BIG birthday party (that is how I know her age)and afterwards when I refused take her to the sea side for vacation because I did not feel our relation was going anywhere, she threw a fit and stormed out. That was the last I saw her.The pictures in this site are old. Take this info for what is worth, if you become interested in her. Good luck, you will need it, along with a deep pocket. Oh, if you happen to meet her father, better have the right answers, he likes to be confrontational as to your western ideas.
Its just not worth doing this..is it?
They will lie and cheat.
Ukrainian women have reputation for being "spoilt", behaving like a brat when it does not get its own way and for throwing tantrums ...I have not time for such a woman and they can fook off.
My Polish friend knows Ukrianian girls very well and Ukrainains as a whole and he told me they can never be trusted.
I feel sorry for you...this is a wake up call and warning to all to be careful!!
And moderator don't censor this post...forum needs balanced opinions even if they are negative as it makes people think about what they are doing and to take appropriate precautions as no one likes getting lied too or taken for a ride.
It is a big part of their culture and I am suprised that you havent already been chided for your cultural insensitivity.
It does seem perfectly normal to them and they hold on against overwelming evidence.
This, I got in this mornings mail, From a dizzy blonde I might add, and its not the first time she has been confused
>Bob, of caurse you can call me on my home number: 7- ...
Do you remember that i gave it to you and my email also.<
>You know, I do not remember you giving me your phone number or your email. So I do
wonder how many Bobs from New Zealand you are writing to -)))))
Please tell -)))) <
>My dear BOB, i'm writing only to YOU! <
Is this a joke, their sense of humour? I dont know.
I thought it a good oportunity to put some cards on the table, but that isnt the way they play the game.
That is because the girls you choose to meet are professional daters the sort of ladies MIKE00 in another thread described. At least he knows what he wants and does not complain about having to pay for it. They want your money and they get it because you're suckers, you make me laugh Jetson if you went there drooling with gifts for her and her kid and you kept going on while she was blowing you off. Cell phones, cosmetics, birthday parties, translators--::)) You tried to buy love, you can't buy love nor you can buy genuine appreciation. If she's that sort of woman and she finds you're a sucker, she's gonna suck the last penny out of your pocket, she's gonna take your socks and underwear. This is what a professional would do. What bothered you is the three years she cheated in her age??--::)) You all deserve what you get, be a dreamer and all you will get is a dream.
Very, very true Adman.
For your information I have met Nellie and everything Jetson says is true. She is even doubted by the agency and translator. Always talking from his sit-upon.
Hi Olga! I come here about once a week and what do I see? The same old know it alls and venomous snakes that have come to dominate this place. Nothing changes.
God help that wife of yours. She must REALLY have wanted to get out:)
Wtrav02, there is no need for put down comments...the facts are:
1. A girl lies about her age = what else is she lying about to!
Relationship must be be based on truth from the very start..you can't make a relationship built on lies as its not a relationship at all but a scam.
Internet dating and introduction is full of liars, cheats, scammers and gold diggers with only a very small handful of serious truthful girls from the Former Soviet Union.
A small lie at the start leads to a chain of lies.
These FSU girls like to be wined and dined and showered in gifts...this is a typical "scammed at the personal visit as lady tries to get the western guy to pay for everything and never had any genuine intentions towards him"
In Russia it is tradition for Russian men to pay everything for the girl and when they divorce, the Russian girl gets the Russian mans apartment and things ( fair compensation for the marriage and for putting up with the guy )..what do you think she will do when it comes to meeting a Western man too..take you to the cleaners also..it is there mentality and they have mind like a cash register!
I absolutely agree with Aussieman41.
I used to think that this was a legitimate way to find a loving wife but through 2 years of diligent searching using different methods I have come to see it from the Australian perspective.
The odds of finding a woman from FSU who is not a liar, scammer, incapable of keeping house, minus an evil temper, tiny kids, troubled teens, parents who want a cut and a million other things is damn near impossible.
Now I understand why some guys spend 5, 6 or 7 years continually going back and forth to find one that isn't ultimately a dud.
I think that for every success story we hear about there are dozens of guys that either give up, get a compromise or even a complete failure i.e. divorce.
To those that have been successful I tip my hat to you. Those that are new to this BEWARE and have plenty of money on hand you will need it, this life choice is not for those who are not well heeled.
To those that have failed for whatever reason I completely understand. I have somebody really great but she also has 1 piece of serious, serious baggage. If this doesn't work out I am am also done just like Aussieman41. So far so good.
aussieman, please read my remarks more carefully. I did not suggest that the girl is honest or she's not honest because I have no idea and don't care quite frankly. However, after a few years of presence here, I do have a good idea about the wild imagination and hopeless hopes of some of you (perhaps not you from what you say). Come on, he went there loaded with cell phones and cosmetics and tried to buy her affection with birthday parties while she was blowing him off and you say it's the woman the one to blame? Sorry pal he's a sucker and my note was rather meant as a wake up call not as an insult. If you comfort him, he'll do it again. I did him a favor and I'm not going back to this subject.
izifaddag, very interesting that you were able find your way and crawl back to this place again. I appreciate your genuine interest, but oh don't bother about me, I'm doing wonderfully on many levels-:) I have a suggestion for you though given my previous knowledge of your situation.
I realize money is a big problem for you, quite a biggy I would say given the amount of server space that you've taken talking about your struggling trying to make ends meet much rather being concerned how to take care of a woman from another country. Sponsoring (i.e. renting) a woman in FSU for a period every year and going there for a visit might reduce the pain for you. In fact, MIKE00 says he uses his girl 3-4 months a year. I was going to suggest a time share, so it can be economic for both of you, but I understand MIKE can afford to keep his girl in style the whole year. So, my suggestion to you is this: start a new thread with the title Woman time share wanted in FSU. Then write: desperate male, age 55+, cannot find a woman on his own much rather cannot afford one, willing to share and cover all expenditures (underscore this one) of a woman located in FSU for up to two weeks a year, allowance may include clothes, cosmetics and a brand new cell phone. I'd say you'd go for two weeks maximum otherwise you'd have to buy a plane ticket twice and that would be painful (financially I mean). Think about it and good luck!
Wtrav, if you go on a personal meeting to any country in the Former Soviet Union to meet a girl, it is expected that you bring at least one gift for her and each member of her family.
You see it on marriage agency sites. Russian customs for guests when they are invited to there homes is to bring gifts...it is expected that you bring a gift for each member of her family and you give one gift to each but if you buy say, 2 gifts for your "potential bride", it is traditionally expected that the other members of her family also receive 2 gifts each too and so on.
So Jetson did not go "loaded with gifts" to Ukraine to buy anyones love...it is expected in that culture to bring gifts and if youa re from another country invited as there guest, greater expectations are often expected of you in the way of gifts and what they are and they think Western men are rich and therefore they expect dearer quality gifts and not the crap you buy down at the $2 everything discount store either.
If you go there for a meeting and don't bring gifts or decently expensive gifts ( not cheap crap and trinkets ), you will be considered to be lousy and tight fisted and you will not go far at all with her ( relationship will never get off the ground if you are perceived as a tight ass by the Russians etc. ).
Never go to the FSU without bearing gifts and decent ones at that..it is the advice on a lot of marriage agency sites.
Jetson was not trying to buy love at all..the girl used him for her own gain.
why do so many people speak poorly of Ukraine? I have been there and meet honest girls though I did not marry one. Some did not like me and told me honestly. I did not limke some and they took it well. An Agency intorduced me to endless girls for free. A taxi driver drove me all over kiev looking for this place and charged me penuts.2 girls translated for me for hours on end and when I asked them how much, refused the money saying they done it as my friend to help me. Never had that in Russia, nor here for that matter. And the best interent friend i ever made is from Ukraine. Are we talikng about the same place??
You know, out of descency and respect to me or others there are other ways to make your point without making it a personal verbal attack. I was merely pointing out what happened to me and to warn others of this particular person, nothing more. In the past 2 years, how many times have you seen me complain or even post anything? Almost never. Critisized anyone on a personal level? Never.
I use this site as an informational source to pass along and gather, with those that could use it. Nothing more. I do not judge anyone on why they did or did not do something, because I was not there or privy to all facts. In my case you were not there, at least not physically :)and have no idea what the situation was. Making such judgement on your part with a personal twist of insult only points out what posts I should take serious.
I will not stoop down to your level and I apologize to the rest of you folks for doing so now. You can say all you want, the fact remains and it is a matter of record. Best regards.
aussieman, the two gift thing is for suckers. Whoever says you ave to do this, it's because they want you to buy gifts for them and their families. You buy gifts for everyone after you're dead sure about the honesty of the girl, her feelings and yours. This means you have to make multiple trips, not just one trip, unload the gifts, propose, then wait for the visa. That is where you should invest the money and show her that you care to develop a relationship with her. Otherwise you only show her how to rob you, and if she's that kind of person and she's not interested in you romantically, she'll rob you. There is no question there are decent people in Ukraine, but there are many crooked women driven by poverty and the ease of deceiving the suckers. It's as if some people have a tug on their forehead that reads sucker. Buying all kinds of "nice" things for her does not buy you love.
he hasn't gotta clue, and now you're a sucker too. Shame. For someone who posts as little as you do you could do worse, but that, coming from me (senile, ancient, imbecile and/or droolong or whatever comes next) is probably as good as the above (post 10:43:02).
Best regards to you too, glad to see those who'll keep their dignity.
As Izi says, elsewhere, persistence pays - or not.
Thunderdome, thank you for the reference "to the above post", you see I am a little slow and could not make the connection, but now that you pointed it, it is clear-:)
I've been online knowing you for what? four years? well, I still cannot tell what is more prominent about you, the feathers on top of the huge hat that you wear on your head or your outright arrogance.
You insulted me about a year ago out of nowhere and for no reason in your own "disguised" way and I replied to you in my own direct way. Then it was tit for tat until you departed this place. Now you came back and it seems that you cannot let go on the past. Is there something that haunts you Thunderdome?
wtrav02, you can not guage the honesty of a girl over the telephone or internet and the only way is to personally meet her and get to know her but for many multiple trips are out of the question because of time, expense, distance and work committments ( you can not in most cases take time off work when you want it..in Australia you only get 4 weeks paid leave a year at x-mas time which is our Summer here and the dead cold of the European winter ) and also for a US guy one trip will cost $5000 and for an Australian double that as the airfares just to fly to say Kiev vary between 3 and 4 thousand dollars by themselves from our land at the bottom of the Earth..it is a 24 to 27 hour flight to Kiev with at least two stop-overs and often requiring overnight accomodation in a foreign country at each stop over because the flights will not connect directly usually requiring a stop -over in Bangkok, Thailand and again at Frankfurt or Vienna or via Dubai, UAE and Vienna or Frankfurt which is the easiest and least expensive routes to go, just to get to Kiev or most parts of the FSU. The most economical airlines you can use from Australia that will fly the route you want to FSU is Emirates airline, Austrian Airlines or a Lufthansa code share thing with Singapore Airlines with the off season ( there winter ) being about $2500 aud return and in the European summer peak season this can go as high as $4000 return airfare from an East Coast capital city in Australia..in my case Melbourne is the closest international airport I can fly from which is a good 90 kilometres up the road.
If you did multiple trips on the a tradesman or technicians income here which is about $50,000 before income tax ( which is high here ), you wont be able to save much after the cost of living ( for example to buy 1 kilogram or 2 pounds of rump steak here costs $24 and to say buy a cheap meal of suasages it will cost you $5 a kilogram and who wants to eat that crap all the time as its very fatty and unhealthy ) to go.
It will take you years of work to save money to do multiple trips to the FSU.
Just to take 3 multiple trips to the FSU at 4 weeks at a time ( use up each years worth of your paid annual vacation leave ) it is going to take 3 years to do the process of the visits before you decide to marry her and then another year to get process the fiance visa and get her out here..WHO HAS GOT 4 YEARS,,CAN WAIT THAT LONG AND HAVE $30,000 0R $40,000 TO DO MULTIPLE TRIPS WITH TO THE FSU JUST TO SEE IF THE GIRL IS HONEST OR NOT.
THE ANSWER...NOBODY IS GOING TO STUFF AROUND 4 YEARS WITH A GIRL AND MAKE UP THERE MINDS AND SPEND THOUSANDS BECAUSE CHANCES ARE IN THAT TIME YOU CAN FIND A CHEAPER LOCAL GIRL TO GO WITH.
People on this site have no idea of what is PRACTICLE AND DO-ABLE!
Multiple trips to the FSU and years of stuffing around going nowhere...WHO HAS THE TIME, MONEY AND PATIENCE TO DO IT..LETS BE PRACTICLE AND HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE HERE!
You need to correspond with the girl a long time, ring her on the telephone and talk a long time and get to know her and do background checks on her before going to the FSU to visit her..none of this bullshit peddled on forums, only write to her for 2 months and go on a visit not knowing her at all and doing this ridiculous multiple trips, very expensive, 3 years of bullshit business!
Come on some people in here..get real!
I meet my first wife who was foreign in a local marriage agency, coresponded with her and telephoned her for 6 months before going on the personal to her country and even then I went for 1 month and stayed with her family and we got engaged and I bought her here on a fiance visa and I had 12 years of marriage with her.
YOU CAN DO IT IN ONE PERSONAL VISIT TRIP IF YOU GET TO KNOW HER LONG ENOUGH BEFOREHAND AND DON'T RUSH THINGS BECAUSE I HAVE DONE IT AND IS POSSIBLE IF YOU PLAY CARDS RIGHT AND KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING...NONE OF THIS MULTIPLE PERSONAL VISIT TRIP CRAP THAT TAKES YEARS TO DO IT!
ITS ALRIGHT TO DO MULTIPLE TRIPS IF YOU ARE A MILLIONAIRE THAT SITS ON HIS ASS AND DOES NOT WORK BUT MOST PEOPLE WORK 8 HOURS A DAY, 5 DAYS A WEEK AND GET LIMITED TIME OFF WORK AND LIVE OFF 40 TO 50 THOU A YEAR!
Lets be practicle and realistic here!
aussieman, you're right about time and expense. In fact, I took my first and third trip to Ukraine as extensions of business trips to Europe. I guess this adventure is not for those who lack time and/or money, flexibility. Then the honesty factor that you mentioned plus the effort and uncertainty during the development of the relationship pose s lot of risk . There is no question, this is a hard proposition with a lot of up front expense, time, and low success rate. In short, it sucks .. not really!
P.S. By the way, I've been to Australia twice and have relatives in Melbourne. Wonderful place, you're lucky to live there. From what I recall, the local ladies are fine. The local girl approach in your case should do as well!